Topic Author's Original Post - Jun 5, 2013 - 08:44am PT
It seems to me that some good thoughtful "climbing oriented" threads come from unlikely places. These threads are often off of the front page quickly and lost to people who surf ST occasionally for something that isn't just internet gossip.
Let's get a team together that bumps these threads back up to the front page. We may snare some interesting International climbers who can add valuable content to ST.
When people bump they seem to think they need an excuse to do so. How about bumping good climbing threads with a simple BBST ( bump for a better ST), after a short time it will be understood you're part of the team that wants more climbing threads front and center.
I know it's been mentioned many times, but if the Taco was divided into a climbing topic/TR forum and an OT forum, I would check the former multiple times a day and the latter once a week (if at all.). It's frustrating.
We can roast the BST later. Right now, our guest of honor, it seems.
Credit: mouse from merced
Tatty Bumpo is the herd-followingest independent you'll ever meet.
Takes a lickin', too. So he's just like you and I, you and I.
But I don't feel we need that control factor, Jim.
It's what it is, and it seems like it's a tool: a pry bar, specifically, a digging bar, which can do both. What's the jackhammer look like?
We posters live on a slippery slope of our own making.
We imagine things to be in process of becoming other than what they were when we went and signed up for this tour;
and when we see that things just evolve and change in spite of our Quixotist views,
then we think that we can overcome them.
And for this we sound the alarm.
What's all the palace revolt talk, anyway? The ST is a microdot in a matrix involving GILLIONS. It is its own little galaxy. Inside of it, we can go anywhere we choose.
Admittedly, it helps to know the current front page to find the place we want in that galaxy. It is the function of the search engine to do this, however, not the users' piss-poor memories, thank God and CMac.
Tatty doesn't care, he's got lots of fight left in him.
I could go thru this website bumping this and that, but by the time I got back to the front page, some slime will have seeped in, bet on it.
Remember, Locker's not a lurker...nor is he totally commited to keeping the ST "pure" I'll bet.
Nor am I. Nor am I.
I say the "Team" is gud enuf like it is. Non-existent. Non-elitist.
This entire scene is what we make it and the content should be focused on climbing so thanks to Jim for keeping that issue front and center.
Chris has asked me to go back and index my historical threads and other postings and I will try to get to work on that task after the Diamond Reflections event.
I am closing in on four thousand scanned pages and images posted here so I am around for the long haul and actively work to keep everyone entertained and the stalwarts engaged.
I encourage folks to share their climbing experiences and interests without reservation because we have a really good crew here and I would like it to stay that way.
Just remember, when you are bumping, that there is a certain kind of bump that must not be bumped, because ST has a policy against that kind of bump, and if you bump it, you might find yourself bumped right off this forum.
Bumping threads is perhaps the lamest, dictatorial form of communication that is very unique to ST.
Most contributors to other climbing, skiing, surfing forums I contribute too would never dream of adding to a thread without any real weight or substance that adds value or smart ass comment.
I can only surmise its a weak attempt at editorializing a place lacking in constant substance so these people get their little hard ons up thinking they are contributing to the overall good by just saying "bump".
I see many bumps on the horizon.....pushing climbing content up front. When I was a kid my older sister, damn her to eternity, told my twin brother and I a scary story about some creature that went "bump in the night." I resolve to overcome the ensuing phobia that developed and bump, bump, bump.
About 5 years ago, one night when I could not sleep and LEB had invaded the front page, I spent hours bumping pure climbing threads to the front page until that was all that was on there.
Bumping LEB and other weak ass politico parrots off the front page is still a noble effort and falls under the "fock that repetitive noise" clause of silencing the dipshits with too much time on their hands.
Science, Art and general BS'ing should still be kosher
my two cents (i'm new so really only 1 cent), but an off topic forum would be a hyudge improvement.
here's the front page currently. it's not so much the % of OT threads that are a problem, but the amount of time they spend on the first page. hell, why not just sticky the Politics, god religion thread and the climate change thread so they're always on top, since that's where they stay anyway, constantly pushing down the climbing TR's and beta.
BBST! Tired of all the politard and other OT babble. What once was a small but interesting amount of the threads has turned into a monstrous quantity of prate and prattle, the likes of which makes me nauseous. MO CLIMBIN' MO BETTA
The problem with bumping is that it only temporarily refreshes a thread that the "community" has passed interest in.
The truest way to increase the front page quality of the forum is to have more trip reports. NO, they don't have to be Earth shaking, ground breaking record staking radicals either!
Lots of us are reduced to Average Joe/Weekend Warrior status. People here even seem to appreciate an average photo TR, or a good road trip TR.
If you found it interesting enough to take pictures of, chances are that a good number of people here will enjoy looking at them.
I have posted a good number of Average Joe TR's and gotten very satisfactory responses. It doesn't have to stay on the front page forever, if there are lots of them.
Mr. Donini, you are possibly more guilty than most. Nobody of your caliber, who climbs as much as you do, should be allowed to bitch about forum quality if you don't post pictures of the 100+ days a year you climb!
It's not even that difficult in the new digital age. You can take tons of photos, delete the ones you don't like, enhance the ones you do like, plug a little cable thingy into the computer and away you go.
Here are a couple examples of non-climbing TRs that I did, with lots of pretty rock in them, that folks seemed to enjoy.
You think your life isn't interesting enough to share with the gang? I beg to differ.
I BBST'd a number of TRs yesterday to no affect at all. People have already seen them.
Ever thought of creating your own website devoted exclusively to climbing with mods? Or do you just like f*#king up this site with constant complaining and meaningless thread bumbing of old threads that died for a reason?
//Lots of us are reduced to Average Joe/Weekend Warrior status//
Or further down or just started out and stayed there or never have seen the elephant or looked hard for one.
It takes all kinds to make up the readership on this website.
Why insist on "real climbers" being the major beneficiaries of the info, stories, and laughs herein? Anyone can stay in Camp 4, IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO.
"They got that right. They sure got that right."-L.S.
I smell exclusionary, elitist tendencies I do not appreciate in the slightest degree.
Maybe I have a Minnesota viewpoint, a typical PHC outlook, but this site is "good enough" as it is; but things need to change or they stale, so this is moot.
ElCap Pics is the best TR and it is on another site, the rest is a monkey on a rock with a rope, so we need the goofy filler material to keep us awake,
can you imagine a Nascar forum with a guy in a car?
the Tioga Pass thread is useful, and the data base of route beta,
Another way to keep climbing stuff at the top is by NOT bumping all the off-topic garbage. I'd like to thank everyone who shows restraint by not replying to that nonsense.
For a while there, almost a month, I was seeing about 90% climbing content on the front page. Looked awesome. But now it's back to the dredges again. Let's bump it up!
It takes me very little time to check the current posts to see if someone has posted a climbing related thread. If so I will read that one. 99% of the posts are junk! I don't read them and I wonder about the people who do. Don't they have better things to do than read the crap posted on ST? Yes, keep the climbing posts on the first page. And Steve keep posting!
Ron
Since this is climbing related; I thought that I would mention that
Joe Kelsey's new and revised guide to the Wind River Range just came out a few days ago; published by Falcon. Many new routes published with color photo's.
Funny that Steve Grossman was asked to index his threads, as my first idea on primo climbing content bumpage was: That's easy, I'll just search the site for Steve Grossman's threads.
Nice resource alexey! You mean we can bump ourselves out of the dear diary for misanthropic, wasted whack jobs state of affairs this old house has become?
i used to try to go to all the trips and help and also
tried to get lots of the small-reply threads...
however, since dial up has gotten so hard to deal with this last two
years, i usually just catch the ones where someone needs encouragement
and let the others wait... seems i never get back to them, to bump
them up though, these days... :(
i ENJOY seeing the small post, get bump for others to see, as, so many
nice replies or shares end up making those minors into majors, then :)
like to bump when i see new folks post, too...
hope we can all keep this up...
very sorry i have had to let so many thread go by,
this dial up and my stamina just can't do what we used to, :(
here's to your helping the taco:
(well, the picture i was going to put, just timed out)
:))
*was going to be the trophy, :)
but will post, as is, :)
Eighteen out of 30 off-topic this AM. I like a good OT thread myself, when it's a community building thread about stuff that the climbers here do (like the building thread), but the ones that are just recycling the day's news, or pseudo news, are crowding out the climbing. But I'm guilty myself of contributing to those threads sometime so it's a bit of the pot calling the kettle black.
Now I'm off to climb so no time to bump great trip reports...
Jim, I want to see a story about your NIAD and I don't want to hear any crap about how it wasn't really a NIAD cause you didn't make the cutoff time. Tell us at least that you will write a story someday.
Let us know!