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clifff
Mountain climber
golden, rollin hills of California
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Aug 16, 2018 - 06:30am PT
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Severe plumed storms push heat trapping water vapor high into stratosphere.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/langley/severe-storms-show-off-their-plume-age
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Antarctic seals recruited to measure effects of climate change
The study, published on 14 May in Geophysical Research Letters1, reveals that a deep-water current known as the Circumpolar Deep Water (CDW) is bigger, warmer and saltier in the winter months than in summer.
The current is a warm, salty doughnut of water that circles Antarctica at depths of 500-1,000 metres. In the Amundsen Sea, this warm band of water is thought to be accelerating the melt of the West Antarctic ice sheet, which if lost entirely could raise sea levels by 3.2 metres.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05204-y
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Gunks Ray
Trad climber
Gunks
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Aug 16, 2018 - 07:39am PT
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If you found yourself thinking it was scorching hot in recent weeks, well, you were right.
For the three-month period of May to July, the entire contiguous United States (CONUS) “ranked hottest on record,” as the National Weather Service in Los Angeles, California tweeted out Wednesday, adding that “records go back to 1895.”
NOAA did point out that in California in particular, “July was off the charts: The state saw its hottest July and hottest month on record with an average temperature of 79.7 degrees F.”
No wonder the state has been ravaged by deadly, record-smashing wildfires this summer.
https://thinkprogress.org/hottest-may-june-july-in-us-history-ea200870459d/
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 16, 2018 - 09:46am PT
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Hubris , Werner, hubris!
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Aug 17, 2018 - 03:32pm PT
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Roll call! Who on this thread still denies human-caused climate change?
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climbera5
Trad climber
Sacramento
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Aug 17, 2018 - 04:08pm PT
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I don't deny human contribution to global warming, the science is clear; but we are not the sole cause. The CO2 introduced into our environment takes 40 years to dissipate. Much of that is absorbed by the oceans and vegetation, but that reaches a saturation point. Even if we stopped all hydrocarbon emissions today the next few generations are screwed. Geologically speaking, the greatest contributor is the fluctuation of solar activity, but we've been able to accelerate the heating process. A good business opportunity is creating a mechanism for CO2 absorption and on a grander scale; solar reflection or filtration.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Aug 17, 2018 - 04:38pm PT
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Solar changes explain NONE of the overall recent global warming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V2HYZbFLn8
WE are indeed the SOLE cause of the overall global warming in the last 45 years.
Furthermore, Future generations will be FAR MORE SCREWED if we don't change our GHG emissions.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Aug 17, 2018 - 09:13pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^
I fought the Law
Gravity won.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Aug 21, 2018 - 07:26am PT
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Heat => Fire
Brilliant
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Aug 21, 2018 - 11:05am PT
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This is the “new normal” that fire officials say should actually be known as just “normal.”
This is the “new normal” that should actually be known as “the current normal,” because it won't be that normal for very long before it gets even worse.
Fixed what they should have actually said.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Aug 22, 2018 - 09:54am PT
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Three best-selling passenger vehicles in America:
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Aug 22, 2018 - 11:12am PT
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The "fossil fuel industry" is us. There is nobody else to blame.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Aug 22, 2018 - 11:21am PT
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The "fossil fuel industry" is us. There is nobody else to blame.
Cognitive dissonance.
Is there another recreational/fun activity that requires more driving than climbing?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 22, 2018 - 03:02pm PT
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A law suit against the FF industry recently got thrown out of court because the judge could not find the industry at fault for offering a product, it was the consumers who used the product who were at fault. [I readily admit this is a total paraphrase of the case, and I might be miles off in my a$$essment.]
One interesting fact about this case is that the court thoroughly studied the Climate Change science and found that it was solid and sound science. They concluded that climate change is real and it's caused by we humans (this fact has seen little publicity, I wonder why).
After some deep thought, I came to a different conclusion about this case. The fact is that when we buy gasoline, we aren't paying the full price that the product should cost at the pump. While the oil and gas industry receives "subsidies" in the form of tax credits for exploration, that cost is *not* born by the gas-pump price. Neither is the environmental cost of burning the fuel reflected in the pump price. And how about the tax-payer's cost of super-fund site cleanups.
If you paid the real cost for gas at the pump, then those trucks that EdwardT gracefully showed us above would not be the best sellers, and we'd all fvuckin' driving a fvck of a lot less and carpooling more. So what I'm saying is that the price structure is set up to enable the FF industry to mass murder the planet.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Aug 22, 2018 - 03:41pm PT
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Climate change is real yet I drive an F150 on road trips. Great road machine.
I take the bus to work and do minimal driving around town.
Does this make me a hypocrite?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Aug 22, 2018 - 04:01pm PT
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No,but someone insinuating you buy and support dinosaur use and are part of the problem are totally generalizing.
I have a 250 gallon tank of BD 85 sitting in my yard,A VW Vanagon and a Golf both with TDI motors. I pay 15 cents a gallon more than the national average,delivered.
Completely power my home with solar,working on a diesel generator for backup.
My cooktop runs on BD.
I will heat with Geo Thermal one day, till then,locally grown Ash ,as they are dying and foresters cannot bring Ash more than 15 miles because of the parasite.
Not saying everyone here can get off Dino’s,but there are ways ,even for a lowly carpenter.
So ,really,who is part of the problem,really.Or ,the ff industry is you.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Aug 22, 2018 - 09:09pm PT
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If you paid the real cost for gas at the pump, then those trucks that EdwardT gracefully showed us above would not be the best sellers, and we'd all fvuckin' driving a fvck of a lot less and carpooling more. So what I'm saying is that the price structure is set up to enable the FF industry to mass murder the planet.
Those are known as external or externalized costs. I heard somewhere that the pollution caused by producing our auto fuels is so great that it is like we have already driven 100,000 miles before we even start driving a new car. I'm not sure if that figure is correct, but it has to be pretty high. Just think of the tanker trucks getting fuel to final destinations as one small part of the process. Think of all the oilfield off-gasing, think of.....the figure would probably include the production of the car.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_externalizing
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Aug 22, 2018 - 10:46pm PT
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No,but someone insinuating you buy and support dinosaur use and are part of the problem are totally generalizing.
I have a 250 gallon tank of BD 85 sitting in my yard,A VW Vanagon and a Golf both with TDI motors. I pay 15 cents a gallon more than the national average,delivered.
If we completely turned off the "old carbon" spigot, and steered our agriculture toward producing bio-fuels as a replacement, any idea how much arable land would be left to produce, say, food? (I honestly don't know, but I suspect the answer is not much.) And, of course, ask how much oil goes into producing bio-fuels now e.g. planting, fertilizer, harvest, delivery, etc. Not trying to be a downer--and niche use is commendable--but I don't see this as a wide-scale solution.
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