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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Aug 23, 2018 - 04:16am PT
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Buffalo Biodiesel is produced in a factory run by renewables,it’s fleet of delivery /collection vehicles use the product and B 85 uses less than 15% agricultural nutrients.
Collection of second use oils and waste are the main ingredient.
Over here it is hardly “ niche”.
Even spent barley from breweries is used.
Biodiesel is not Bio Fuel.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Aug 23, 2018 - 10:59am PT
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If we completely turned off the "old carbon" spigot, and steered our agriculture toward producing bio-fuels as a replacement, any idea how much arable land would be left to produce, say, food? (I honestly don't know, but I suspect the answer is not much.) And, of course, ask how much oil goes into producing bio-fuels now e.g. planting, fertilizer, harvest, delivery, etc. Not trying to be a downer--and niche use is commendable--but I don't see this as a wide-scale solution.
This is a real issue. My understanding: when you crunch all the numbers, growing corn to make ethanol to put in a fuel tank doesn't save any CO2.
This is a classic example of why a CO2 tax is better than a mandate. The CO2 tax will incorporate the planting, fertilizer, etc.
If bio-fuels were to be done on a scale that made a difference to climate change, I don't think farmland would be viable.
You would need something like growing algae in tubes in the ocean or something.
Edit to add:
It probably isn't ever going to be a viable climate change option to fuel cars and trucks with bio-fuels. Electric or something like hydrogen fuel cells (that only need electricity to create) would probably make more sense.
But electric airplanes for large commercial jet liners are a dubious proposition because of the weight of the batteries. I could see bio-fuels just for air travel. That would be on a dramatically smaller scale.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Aug 23, 2018 - 12:34pm PT
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growing algae in tubes
Or lakes in Oregon!!
I eat the $h!t out of it on long days on foot, bike or moto. I feel good from the B vitamins and other other goodies in it. I probably pop 15-20 during an 8 hour outing along with nuts, figs, crystallized ginger and whatever expensive dark chocolate bar is on sale. I can't get near any kind of 'power bar' and haven't eaten that processed crap in over 10 years due to the prior 25 I consumed thousands of them. My favorite way to eat a power bar was the Croft method, put a couple lines of coffee beans down the center and fold'r up. Anyway, I am huge fan of blue/green algae great food and it practically weighs nothing. At first it is kinda hard to swallow the pills but that goes away with all the positive effects, at least that is how it was for me.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 23, 2018 - 01:16pm PT
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Humans need to understand the importance of this issue.
People getting all bent out of shape over abortion or gun control or illegal immigrants are just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Aug 23, 2018 - 03:08pm PT
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I agree with you Toker.
I am going to say this again ,Bio Diesel is not ethanol or Bio Fuel.
BD is making huge inroads in the over the road trucking industry and is available in every state in the lower 48.
It is a low carbon redundant fuel,as long as we fry foods it will be available,not truly renewable,but uses our resources fully and has way less footprint than Dino’s.
Read into it.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Aug 27, 2018 - 03:15pm PT
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From August 23 to Sept. 13, the University of Rhode Island’s Inner Space Center (ISC), with major funding from the U.S. National Science Foundation and additional support from the Heising-Simons Foundation, will conduct the innovative Northwest Passage Project research expedition with a team of natural and social scientists, students, and a professional film crew. This ground-breaking opportunity is also supported by One Ocean Expeditions as a key marine partner, having operated in Arctic waters for over 20 years.
Research to aid understanding of / document climate change effects
Aboard the Akademik Ioffe, the team will collect water, ice, and air samples to advance understanding of and document the effect climate change is having on the environment and biodiversity in the Canadian Arctic Archipelago.
The expedition team will engage a wide public audience through an extensive and unprecedented Internet presence from the area, including Facebook Live broadcasts from sea. Special interactive broadcasts will be beamed via the Inner Space Center (ISC), the U.S. facility that supports ocean exploration and education, to three prestigious science museums across the country – the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History, Washington DC, the Exploratorium, San Francisco CA, and the Alaska SeaLife Center, Seward AK.
Guess what happened on day two of this three week journey?
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Aug 27, 2018 - 03:20pm PT
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Um, EdwardT was officially declared an idiot? Total out-of-left-field guess.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Aug 27, 2018 - 03:26pm PT
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Awesome burn!
Did you come up with that all by yourself?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Aug 27, 2018 - 06:21pm PT
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It is right back to the thread I know and loathe,lol.
It’s a hoax.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Aug 28, 2018 - 05:30pm PT
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Anybody who thinks that climate change is a hoax at this point in time is, at best, uninformed but mostly dangerous to the rest of us. Even if you believe that we can engineer our way out of this, it does nobody any good to deny the science. That's just dumb!
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Aug 28, 2018 - 05:42pm PT
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Aug 28, 2018 - 07:00pm PT
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EdwardT is a good example.
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Fossil climber
Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
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Aug 28, 2018 - 07:55pm PT
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Doesn't matter. Climate change isn't the only issue. Read "Limits to Growth - the Thirty Year Update".
And things have deteriorated more rapidly since its publication.
Selfishly glad I'm 87, but feel really bad for my kids and everybody much younger.
Carpe diem.
Call me Eeyor. Sigh.
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Jay S
Mountain climber
Silver Gate, Mt
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Aug 28, 2018 - 08:17pm PT
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The break up of a glacier.
The first time I visited Castle Rock Glacier was in 1996. The glacier was impressively big. There was a new lake that was not on the maps because it had not exist.
This photo is from 1996.
The second time I visited the glacier was around 2010 it was much smaller but still impressive. I don't have easy access to any photos from that trip.
The third time I made trip was in 2015. It had shrunk dramatically. The new lake was full of icebergs and a lot bigger. The glacier was down to almost nothing. There was bedrock above the glacier.
What I found shocking was how much ice had melted from 2010 to 2015 verses how much ice melted the first fifteen years.
The Beartooth Glaciers are going away very rapidly and we share some responsibility for it.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Aug 30, 2018 - 09:26pm PT
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I've posted this before. Here in my beloved Olympic Mountains, the low altitude warming is particularly evident.
Anderson Glacier was the first glacier I ever set foot upon--in 1972. In fact, as of 2013 when I last visited, now completely gone.
Heartbreaking.
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