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monolith
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Feb 20, 2018 - 06:52pm PT
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Sure, natural cycle. Happens all the time.
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monolith
climber
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Feb 20, 2018 - 07:14pm PT
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And no Madbolter, climate scientists don't rely on a single human attribution percentage but rather a probability distribution function. As the consensus graph below shows, it is extremely likely that humans have caused more than half the warming since 1950 and the best single estimate is around 110%. That means the warming input from humans is offset by natural cooling.
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Splater
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Grey Matter
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Feb 20, 2018 - 07:32pm PT
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There is no overall debate on what is causing climate change.
The science is settled: humans causing more GHGs.
The number of deniers will decrease as they die off.
In the USA this die off will be slow, since so many fools love fake news.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 20, 2018 - 07:38pm PT
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^^^ Yup, that dogmatism is going to alienate the very people that would like to be on your side for entirely other reasons than yours.
Are you going to cite the 97% statistic again, or will you do a bit of searching to discover that that figure is not the consensus number for the claim YOU are making.
If you guys would back off the dogmatism even a little bit, you'd find a lot more people willing to get on board with taking reasonable steps (for their own merits) to reduce greenhouse gasses in the USA.
As it is, your "everybody who doesn't come to the same conclusions from the stats as I do is an idiot" attitude will keep us divided on what the path forward might be.
Hopefully dogmatists will also die off soon.
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Splater
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Grey Matter
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Feb 21, 2018 - 12:16am PT
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It's called science.
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BobSFrankNose
Social climber
Seattle
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Feb 21, 2018 - 12:40pm PT
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No Splater, its called Religion. If it were really science - it wouldn't be settled. And you wouldn't have fully have of the scientist all over the map on what it all means and what will happen next.
Your involved in Religion, with your prophets of doom, your self sacrificing, your closed mindedness and indignation, your intolerance, your ignorance and everything else that goes along with dogmatism.
In fact, your a Zealot in every sense of the word, and your group of cronies is quite organized and following a play book of impending disaster.
And Monolith, what the hell - you just put up another graph of the infamous 'hockey stick' and mocked the possibility of a coincidence. Didn't we just go over Michael 'hockey stick' Mann and his being still in contempt of court for refusing to provide a judge order explanation of his data.
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monolith
climber
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Feb 21, 2018 - 01:19pm PT
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Oh, my! The Religion accusation. Good grief.
The hockey stick has been independently reproduced several times by other scientists. That's how science works. There is even another reconstruction in that graph, if you care to look deeper.
Good luck.
(And lets see you back up your wild ass claim Mann is in contempt of court)
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Feb 21, 2018 - 03:01pm PT
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Scientific consensus was 97% 5 years ago and is even higher now.
(which is effectively 100% since there will always be some quacks likes bobsFauxNews who gets his "fockts" from alt cartoons written by stooges and lemmings and is likely a non climbing Russian troll bot who can't stop spouting gibberish about "climategate")
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change#Surveys_of_scientists_and_scientific_literature
A 2010 paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States (PNAS) reviewed publication and citation data for 1,372 climate researchers and drew the following two conclusions:
(i) 97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC (Anthropogenic Climate Change) outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and (ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are substantially below that of the convinced researchers.[116]
A 2013 paper in Environmental Research Letters reviewed 11,944 abstracts of scientific papers matching "global warming" or "global climate change". They found 4,014 which discussed the cause of recent global warming, and of these "97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming".[120]
James L. Powell, a former member of the National Science Board and current executive director of the National Physical Science Consortium, analyzed published research on global warming and climate change between 1991 and 2012 and found that of the 13,950 articles in peer-reviewed journals, only 24 rejected anthropogenic global warming.[129] A follow-up analysis looking at 2,258 peer-reviewed climate articles with 9,136 authors published between November 2012 and December 2013 revealed that only one of the 9,136 authors rejected anthropogenic global warming.[130] His 2015 paper on the topic, covering 24,210 articles published by 69,406 authors during 2013 and 2014 found only five articles by four authors rejecting anthropogenic global warming. Over 99.99% of climate scientists did not reject AGW in their peer-reviewed research.[122]
Nov 4, 2016 - 05:16pm PT
basic reading
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
http://climate.nasa.gov/causes/
http://climate.nasa.gov/effects/
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/
http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/
http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/arctic-sea-ice/
http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/land-ice/
http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/
http://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature-projections
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 21, 2018 - 03:13pm PT
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Oh my Bob, did you think a pile of garbage links would prove Mann is in contempt of court?
Look at the dates and claims, Bob. July, 2017.
The defendant in the libel trial, the 79-year-old Canadian climatologist, Dr Tim Ball (above, right) is expected to instruct his British Columbia attorneys to trigger mandatory punitive court sanctions
Well, did it happen Bob? Why hasn't Ball instructed the BC court to trigger mandatory punitive court sanctions?
Surely you have a link where this action was taken?
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monolith
climber
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Feb 21, 2018 - 03:19pm PT
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BTW, thanks for posting the link to Mann's attorney saying he is not and never was in contempt of court. Much appreciated.
You would think that if the lawyer in the case is lying, he himself would be in contempt of court or risk disbarment.
Where's the link from Ball's attorney stating Mann is in contempt of court? Hint: John O'Sullivan is not Ball's attorney in this case.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Feb 21, 2018 - 03:24pm PT
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Yes,The John Burch Society ,Heartland ,Koch brothers ,at least the Russians sources are consistent.
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Feb 21, 2018 - 03:40pm PT
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Go to the home pages on all of those sites in BobS google search. It is obvious from the rest of their content that they are all, except for the Facebook post, a bunch of wack-job denier sites. And if all you get is wack-job denier sites when you search for “Michael Mann contempt” then anyone with half a brain should realize it is complete bullshit fake news.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Feb 21, 2018 - 04:00pm PT
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But but but ,we are dogmatic,those sources are free thinking.....lol
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 21, 2018 - 08:31pm PT
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‘How weird is that?’ Temperatures in Arctic soar 45 degrees above normal.
As warm air spills into the Arctic from all sides, the world’s northernmost weather station experienced more than 24 hours of temperatures above freezing.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 21, 2018 - 08:39pm PT
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Why are so many Americans afraid that Climate Change science is legit...No god wills it comments...
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 21, 2018 - 09:16pm PT
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new world...Yeah...Love that sh#t...Just downed some 5 bridges tri-tip and heading for the toilet...Back for more soon...rotting colon
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Feb 21, 2018 - 09:20pm PT
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Gunks Ray
Trad climber
Gunks
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Feb 22, 2018 - 09:48am PT
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71 today , broke a 1996 record of 62 ,which broke a record of 48 in 1924.
February, all snowpack is gone.
willbeer
It was 73 deg when I got to Hunter Ski area yesterday morning, off of the man made runs everything is brown, no snow at all. I left the sun roof and windows cracked in my car so it wouldn't get to hot.....in February!!!!
On the drive back to the Gunks my car thermometer hit 80 at 4pm!!!!
In NYC it hit 77, broke the old record by 9deg, hottest day ever recorded in February there.
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