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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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Khaled Abou El Fadl is a professor of Law, Islamic Law, and Islam at the UCLA Law School.
https://law.ucla.edu/faculty/faculty-profiles/khaled-m-abou-el-fadl/
Based on his understanding of Islam and Islamic law as well as of other traditions, he has devoted his life to speaking out for human rights and against extremism, especially Islamic extremism. He challenges extreme forms of Islam among the students and in the wider world.
If there is a reformation in Islam, I think it will come from people like Professor Abou el Fadl.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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So, I guess we would characterize Sir Isaac Newton as a "Great Christian". The title of this thread is wrong-headed, in my opinion. Religious affiliation is the wrong category to apply to people if you want to compare their “greatness”. People are great because human beings can be great.
Of COURSE there are great Muslims. As HFCS inferred, the proper way to look at it is that they are/were great Persians or Arabs, or better, human beings. The fact that you stand a 96-99 percent chance of being Muslim if you were born in a Muslim country and probably a less than one percent chance of being Muslim if you were born in a non-Muslim country from non-Muslim parents, pretty much underscores the point.
To me, it’s obvious. The problem is with Islam, itself. Any religion that makes such a fuss over the ridicule of their god and prophet is, well, ridiculous. I mean, come on.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Jan 7, 2015 - 03:45pm PT
So the Muslims had it goin' on pretty good until 1492.
At which time Brits and Germans were still rooting for grubs.
It's been pretty much downhill since then by any metric. How many Nobel Prize winners have they had?
14.
Pretty amazing considering the Nobel committee has a record of racism. mahatma Ghandi never won a Nobel prize though he was nominated five times. Henry Kissinger is a Laureate.
How many world chess champions have they had? Now you are showing your ignorance. Chess was invented in India, but refined in the middle East and introduced into the West through Spain during the Muslim conquest ( they also broughtt Algebra) the Spanish and Portuguese words are versions of Ajedrez , from the word the Yemeni conquerors took from the Hindu Chatrang.
and through viking warriors in servitude to the Muslim rulers of Constantinople/Istambul.. Harald Hardrada, who was a Varangian guard to the sultan for over 30 years before becoming king of Norway and dying at Stamford Bridge in 1066 had a part in introducing the game to Scandanavia. Magnus Carlsen can thank the sultan for having Harald as a palace guard.
. The word Checkmate comes from the Persian Shah Mat ( death to the king.)
You might want to look up the Name Shahan Khan. There is a string of Muslim chess Champions dating back to 847, when again, Europeans had a bug diet.
And the person who has held the Championship the most since 2000 is Hindu.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viswanathan_Anand
How many Olympic medals have they had, other than Moroccan distance runners? How many white Europeans have won distance medals in the last 50 years? How many Spinters not decended from two tribes in Africa?
I watched the ncaa cross country championship this year. The first American/european decended runner came in 15th place.
We can adress that again when camel driving becomes an Olympic sport.
OK, so an
Egyptian competed in the Olympic downhill about 15 years ago but they changed
the rules so that sort of nonsense wouldn't occur again.
How very noble of the rules makers. what agenda did they have? I'm sure Jesse Owens would have had his medals taken away if the Host Nation had its way. They did a good job with Jim Thorpe.
[But I will give them this:
a dood from Qatar is doing well in this year's Dakar Rally. Too bad it doesn't go
anywhere near Dakar any longer.
Yeah, the Queens cup hasn't gone around the Isle of Wright in a while. It's called the Americas Cup now.
Gotta go watch the replay of the last Emirates Cup.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Yusuf Islam
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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You can't possibly be serious.
(Neil degrasse Tyson speaks to this very thing. Arabs, yes, had a role in the continuity, but one that's been wildly mythologized since, notwithstanding the arabic inventions, languaging, etc..)
Dead serious, any assertion to the contrary is some serious Eurocentric revisionism.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Any Muslim climbers?
I didn't think so.
Subspecies fer sur!
Ever heard of a place called the Karakoram?
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Darwin
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan: Qawwali singer who changed modern "world music", although lots of other people did, too. I'm way out of my depth here, but Qawwali is actually a Sufi tradition, a mystic branch of Isalm(?). Anyway, check out Nusrat!
Umm Kulthum!!!!
the thread title makes sense to me. Sure it's a bit awkward singling out a religion, but pretty good for two words. Thanks again Survival! HFCS, not that you care what I think, but you're coming across as a bit negative.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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I've read nothing indicating that Vader was not a Muslim.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Need a new thread "great dead cartoonists."
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Orange Juice was introduced to Northern Europe when Napoleon invaded Egypt.
I guess they get credit for the Juicer.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Well, Darwin, I'd say it was a proportional response... the news today was "a bit negative".
(I suppose I could've hunkered down instead, maybe buried my head in the backyard for the day? hakuna matata like. Maybe next time around I'll go that route, zig instead of zag.)
Sigh.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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HFCS
STOP POINTING OUT THINGS
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John M
climber
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To me, it’s obvious. The problem is with Islam, itself. Any religion that makes such a fuss over the ridicule of their god and prophet is, well, ridiculous. I mean, come on.
No.. not with islam itself, but with those who would radicalize it. Thats why this thread was started, because every time some radical sect of some so called muslim group does an act of terrorism, people start denouncing the religion as a whole.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jeez.. you guys are not even trying to find great muslims.. it is not hard.
Fethullah Gulen
http://en.fgulen.com/
http://en.fgulen.com/recent-articles/4109-love-for-truth
Truth means the essence and reality of a thing. It is to know clearly what a thing is, what it means, and what it signifies beyond its appearance and cognition. What is the essence and reality of the human being, the universe, and all things? What do they mean, both as individuals and as a whole? What is beyond this entire existence—from atoms to nebulas, from the smallest particles of a human being to his material and spiritual depths—and their orderliness, harmony, beauty, and wisdom? Since these facts cannot be attributed to coincidences, there must certainly be a truth upon which everything—from particles to planets— is based on. Indeed there is such a truth which is the ultimate basis of everything, and every individual has a duty to know this truth with their own particular qualities. To pursue such a duty with deep longing and interest is called “the love for truth.”
Muhhamad Yunis Nobel peace prize
http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/01/18/businesspro-books-yunus-dc-idUSN1552916120080118
Orhan Pamuk, 2006 Nobel Prize for literature
http://www.orhanpamuk.net/
Ahmed Zewail 1999 Nobel Chemistry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Zewail
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sadam Hussein.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Jan 7, 2015 - 09:32pm PT
Sadam Hussein.
Timothy McVeigh.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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He was muslim?
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jonnyrig
climber
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Great people come from all kinds of different religious and socioeconomic backgrounds. As the OP pointed out, his thread is a rebuttal to the current Muslim fear. Meh. Coulda been Christians. Or any other radically minded group with a following. Maybe someday we'll all fear the atheists.
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