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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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The west would still be in the Dark Ages if it weren't for Muslims.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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survival
Because the Muslim hate and fear factor is pretty much off the chart these days for (insert your reason here).
So in my case, I choose to highlight a Muslim who did her thing for freedom and democracy.
Highlighting a Muslim, whose notable contributions took place 70 years ago seems counter-productive.
If your intent is to illustrate Muslims are not all bad, maybe you could provide some noteworthy Muslims, still living.
The issue seems to be about the modern Muslim world, not individual contributions from past generations.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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The west would still be in the Dark Ages if it weren't for Muslims.
You can't possibly be serious.
(Neil degrasse Tyson speaks to this very thing. Arabs, yes, had a role in the continuity, but one that's been wildly mythologized since, notwithstanding the arabic inventions, languaging, etc..)
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Bubbles. That is an interesting link lol. Not too sure what she has to do with this discussion though.
I gotta agree with High FCS's last statement. And with that, gotta get back to the grind!
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Al-Biruni
Abū al-Rayhān Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Bīrūnī (4/5 September 973 – 13 December 1048), known as Al-Biruni in English, was a Persian Muslim scholar and polymath from the Khwarezm region.
Al-Biruni is regarded as one of the greatest scholars of the medieval Islamic era and was well versed in physics, mathematics, astronomy, and natural sciences, and also distinguished himself as a historian, chronologist and linguist. He was conversant in Khwarezmian, Persian, Arabic, Sanskrit, and also knew Greek, Hebrew and Syriac. He spent a large part of his life in Ghazni in modern-day Afghanistan, capital of the Ghaznavid dynasty which was based in what is now central-eastern Afghanistan. In 1017 he traveled to the Indian subcontinent and became the most important interpreter of Indian science to the Islamic world. He is given the titles the "founder of Indology". He was an impartial writer on custom and creeds of various nations, and was given the title al-Ustadh ("The Master") for his remarkable description of early 11th-century India. He also made contributions to Earth sciences, and is regarded as the "father of geodesy" for his important contributions to that field, along with his significant contributions to geography.
Bīrūnī’s fame as an Indologist rests primarily on two texts.[31] Al-Biruni wrote an encyclopedic work on India called “Tarikh Al-Hind” (History of India) in which he explored nearly every aspect of Indian life, including religion, history, geography, geology, science, and mathematics. He explores religion within a rich cultural context. He expresses his objective with simple eloquence: I shall not produce the arguments of our antagonists in order to refute such of them, as I believe to be in the wrong. My book is nothing but a simple historic record of facts. I shall place before the reader the theories of the Hindus exactly as they are, and I shall mention in connection with them similar theories of the Greeks in order to show the relationship existing between them.(1910, Vol. 1, p. 7;1958, p. 5)
An example of Al-Biruni’s analysis is his summary of why many Hindus hate Muslims. He explains that Hinduism and Islam are totally different from each other. Moreover, Hindus in 11th century India had suffered through waves of destructive attacks on many of its cities, and Islamic armies had taken numerous Hindu slaves to Persia which, claimed Al-Biruni, contributed to Hindus becoming suspicious of all foreigners, not just Muslims. Hindus considered Muslims violent and impure, and did not want to share anything with him. Over time, Al-Biruni won the welcome of Hindu scholars. Al-Biruni collected books and studied with these Hindu scholars to become fluent in Sanskrit, discover and translate into Arabic the mathematics, science, medicine, astronomy and other fields of arts as practiced in 11th century India. He was inspired by the arguments offered by Indian scholars who believed earth must be ellipsoid shape, with yet to be discovered continent at earth's south pole, and earth's rotation around the sun is the only way to fully explain the difference in daylight hours by latitude, seasons and earth's relative positions with moon and stars.[citation needed] Al-Biruni was also critical of Indian scribes who he believed carelessly corrupted Indian documents while making copies of older documents. Al-Biruni's translations as well as his own original contributions reached Europe in 12th and 13th century, where they were actively sought.
While others were killing each other over religious differences, Al-Biruni had a remarkable ability to engage Hindus in peaceful dialogue. Mohammad Yasin puts this dramatically when he says, “The Indica is like a magic island of quiet, impartial research in the midst of a world of clashing swords, burning towns, and burned temples.” (Indica is another name for Al-Biruni’s history of India).
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Benazir Bhutto
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 7, 2015 - 12:25pm PT
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If your intent is to illustrate Muslims are not all bad, maybe you could provide some noteworthy Muslims, still living.
You're kidding right? You can't think of any? Do you think Muhammad Ali is a noteworthy Muslim?
Fareed Zakaria.
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dirtbag
climber
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Is that Sean Connery on page 1? I thought he died.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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A Cultural Muslim
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 7, 2015 - 12:44pm PT
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HFCS, you don't seem to have anything better to do than tear down what others are doing.
That's sad.
How about finding a thread where you can add something positive?
Muhammed Fethullah Gülen (born 27 April 1941) is a Turkish preacher, former imam, writer, and Islamic opinion leader. He is the founder of the Gülen movement (sometimes known as Hizmet). He currently lives in a self-imposed exile in Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania, United States.
Gülen teaches an Anatolian (Hanafi) version of Islam, deriving from Sunni Muslim scholar Said Nursî's teachings. Gülen has stated that he believes in science, interfaith dialogue among the People of the Book, and multi-party democracy. He has initiated such dialogue with the Vatican and some Jewish organizations.
Gülen is actively involved in the societal debate concerning the future of the Turkish state, and Islam in the modern world. He has been described in the English-language media as an imam "who promotes a tolerant Islam which emphasises altruism, hard work and education" and as "one of the world's most important Muslim figures." In the Turkish context, Gülen appears as a religious conservative.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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A fraction of a percent of the human population we jews have contributed far more to human civilization in proportion to our number than any other group, but I hold no hate for Muslims.
Indeed, a thousand years ago when London was a hovel the arabs had libraries and street lights and the best mathematicians and doctors in the world.
We just have to learn to appreciate people unlike ourselves.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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HFCS, you don't seem to have anything better to do than tear down what others are doing.
I believe early on you called me BITCH. Maybe I have that wrong?
For my part I'm against the antiquated beliefs of Abrahamic religion standing in the way of civilization and its expression (incl science education) in the 21st century. And not just in America or the Bible Belt but around the world. In Malala's world too.
Now because you and your ilk apparently can't make that connection - particularly the link between belief and conduct - it is your problem.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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You're kidding right?
You mean issue is not about the modern Muslim world?
I was making a point about effectiveness.
What might sway the hysterical masses showing them how the overwhelming majority of Muslims are good, decent people. Historical figures from 70 or 1000 years ago don't mean squat. Not about the current "Muslim hate and fear factor". What matters is today's Muslims.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 7, 2015 - 12:54pm PT
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I believe early on you called me BITCH. Maybe I have that wrong?
That's because LOL! was your first response to the whole O.P. of this thread.
Maybe I have that wrong?
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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You guys are cruel, egging HFCS on like that.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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So the Muslims had it goin' on pretty good until 1492. It's been pretty
much downhill since then by any metric. How many Nobel Prize winners have
they had? How many world chess champions have they had? How many Olympic
medals have they had, other than Moroccan distance runners? OK, so an
Egyptian competed in the Olympic downhill about 15 years ago but they changed
the rules so that sort of nonsense wouldn't occur again. But I will give them this:
a dood from Qatar is doing well in this year's Dakar Rally. Too bad it doesn't go
anywhere near Dakar any longer.
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