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Larry Nelson
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we jews have contributed far more to human civilization in proportion to our number than any other group
I once read this, probably by a Jewish comedian:
A short history of the Jews:
They tried to kill us, we won, let's eat.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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I like the sudden shift to this whole thing being about HFCS and his glaring inability to say something nice
My go-to Muslim dude would have to be Jalal ad-Din Muhammad Balkhi-Rumi , 'Rumi" for short, hands down. Anyone who could give rise to whirling dervishes has my vote for the Muslim hall of fame. But of course Rumi lived long ago.
Now if we can only get these psychopathic jihadists to spend all their time spinning around in circles all day then we've got something.
Upthread the OP announced that his/her purpose for starting this thread was because it was felt that Muslims,in general, were under assault in light of recent events. In other words, not because of some sudden outpouring of a need to celebrate notable Muslims, per se.Apparently,a Muslims hall of fame is somewhat of a foil, the real purpose being a sort of political damage control, as well as a desire to shift the focus away from recent murders by jihadist Muslims and onto those that may be carrying around politically incorrect feelings and thoughts towards Muslims.
It is typical of baby boomer liberals in particular to painstakingly establish victim status for any selected aggrieved group-- as a means of insuring that we all nurture nothing but politically correct warm and fuzzys towards them, and thereby forego holding them responsible for anything.
But of course there is something more important at stake here and that is the liberal reaction to Jihadism since 9/11. At the same time that the West was engaging militant Islam in far-flung combat, liberals in the West were trying their own approach, and not just liberals-- apparently anyone with a functioning guilt complex was 'down for the struggle'. Great pains were mustered to insure that Muslims were not slandered or criticized openly.A sort of ipso facto victim status was conferred as Muslims were made eligible for aggrieved minority honors. A precipitous increase in Muslim immigration was allowed, especially in Europe. Every attempt was made to plug Islamic communities and enclaves into the western political structure and landscape.
Countless other examples of this deliberately directed 'solution'by liberals to the problem of Islam versus the West have taken place over the years.
This type of deranged incompetent thinking is an abject and dangerous failure.It has only succeeded in putting innocent citizens in Western countries at risk for their lives. Some have paid with their lives.Bloodthirsty Jihadists are not interested in playing nicey nicey with western touchy-feelys. Like the Marathon Bombers they weren't even happy to be on 4 different types of state and Federal welfare.
Whenever a new terrorist event like the recent Paris murders occur ,the Left snaps into high gear in order to continue to protect this failed approach.
The hideous actions of these killers are not the object of focus for them-- apparently the real enemy are those of you who just might be carrying around politically incorrect thoughts;as well as those of you continually in dire need of being reminded that, yes, their are Great Muslims out there. (We even have a thread for them now)
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AKDOG
Mountain climber
Anchorage, AK
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To me, it’s obvious. The problem is with Islam, itself. Any religion that makes such a fuss over the ridicule of their god and prophet is, well, ridiculous. I mean, come on.
No.. not with islam itself, but with those who would radicalize it. Thats why this thread was started, because every time some radical sect of some so called muslim group does an act of terrorism, people start denouncing the religion as a whole.
Islam has problems, to deny this is to deny the obvious. I am not sure what defines a Muslim, but this whole thread starts off with a picture of a woman who would probably be stoned to death under some interpretation of Islam for not wearing a burqa.
Condolences to all those you have died during this useless heinous act.
If anything this just gives me one more reason to support freedom of the press.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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May 17, 2015 - 09:00pm PT
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Sadam Hussein."????
He was a nationalist and atheistic socialist. The absence of his fist has a lot to do with the rise of islamists in their various forms.
This wiki article gives a somewhat balanced view. His educating and uplifting of women stands out in particular as rather un Islamic to my eyes. Maybe your post should be on the thread 'Arabs who I hate'.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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May 17, 2015 - 10:56pm PT
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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May 17, 2015 - 11:02pm PT
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Not so many muslim stand up comics
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philo
Trad climber
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel or a tr
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May 18, 2015 - 04:53am PT
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Great thread concept Survival.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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May 18, 2015 - 04:59am PT
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Groucho was Jewish
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couchmaster
climber
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May 18, 2015 - 09:22am PT
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In reference to the great muslim (topic is "Great Muslims after all and the man has been named as a great one by Anita upthread) Yousef Islams earlier works. May I suggest he rename the great song: "Peace Train" to be "Hate Train". Or "Hate Trane" as Weld it would say.
In this new release updated version of the "Hate Trane" video, a few authors of fictional works are successfully brutally, bloodily and publicly murdered: beheaded in front of a crowd lets say, and maybe they also hang a bunch of homosexuals from a crane as it rolls down some San Francisco street. Then to finish the music video, as singing is against Sahria law, Yousef himself is Fatwawed (like how I made that word a verb?) and beheaded as a finale. Hey man, it's religious, ya can't be hating on the haters or be intolerant towards intolerance. And that's the $64,000 question and the magic woid all rolled into one - right?
ref reading for your pleasure:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/questions-remain-over-cat-stevens-connections-to-jihad-terror
http://www.shariahfinancewatch.org/blog/category/fatwa/
As an aside, the great comedian Dennis Miller once said that the issue was if you break down Salomon Rushdie's name, you get RUSH (to) DIE. Therein lies that problem with that issue. So I suppose it's not a problem with Islamic thought per se.
OK, and now - back to our discourse: "Grate muslums". Here's one: Mohammed Ali. Boxer.
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philo
Trad climber
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May 18, 2015 - 09:49am PT
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Najeeb Elias Halaby, Jr. (Arabic: نجيب إلياس حلبي; November 19, 1915[1] - July 2, 2003) was a United States businessman, government official, celebrated aviator, and the father of Queen Noor of Jordan.
Halaby was born in Dallas, Texas.[1] His father was Najeeb Elias Halaby, Sr. (March 17, 1878/1880 - December 16, 1928), a Syrian Christian,[2] who immigrated to the United States from Syria in 1891.[2] Halaby's paternal grandfather was Elias Halaby, provincial treasurer or magistrate in Ottoman Syria,[2] who also came to the U.S. in 1891. Halaby's father worked as an importer and, later, as an oil broker. In the mid-1920s, Halaby's father opened Halaby Galleries, a rug boutique and interior-decorating shop, at Neiman Marcus in Dallas, and ran it with his wife, the former Laura Wilkins (April 23, 1889 - April 1987). He died shortly afterward, and his estate was unable to continue the new enterprise. Following his father's death, his mother married Urban B. Koen, but they ultimately divorced. Halaby's maternal grandfather was John Thomas Wilkins, who served in the 7th Tennessee Cavalry during the Civil War.
CareerEdit
He was a graduate of The Leelanau School, a boarding school in Glen Arbor Township Leelanau County, Michigan, and is enshrined in that school's Hall of Fame. An alumnus of Stanford University (1937) and Yale Law School (1940), he served as a U.S. Navy test pilot in World War II. On May 1, 1945 Halaby made history by making the first transcontinental jet flight in US history. Halaby took off from Muroc AFB, California and landed in Patuxent, Maryland in 5 hours and 40 minutes.[3]
After the war he served as the U.S. State Department's civil aviation advisor to King Ibn Saud of Saudi Arabia, helping the king develop Saudi Arabian Airlines. Next he worked as an aide to Secretary of Defense James Forrestal in the late 1940s, then helped Paul Nitze write NSC 68.
He joined Laurance Rockefeller's family office in 1953 reviewing investments in civil aviation.
From 1961 to 1965, he served as the second Administrator of the Federal Aviation Agency, appointed by President John F. Kennedy. Halaby was a proponent for the creation of the U.S. Department of Transportation, which occurred during his time in the Lyndon B. Johnson administration. From 1969 to 1972, he served as CEO, and chairman after 1970, of Pan Am. As Pan Am chairman, he was present at the christening of the first Boeing 747 aircraft.
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philo
Trad climber
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May 18, 2015 - 09:49am PT
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Queen Noor of Jordan (Arabic: جلالة الملكة نور; born Lisa Najeeb Halaby on 23 August 1951) is the widow of King Hussein. She was his fourth spouse and queen consort between their marriage in 1978 and his death in 1999. She is also known as Noor Al-Hussein.
A United States citizen by birth and of Syrian,[1] English and Swedish descent, she renounced her American citizenship in favor of Jordanian citizenship at the time of her marriage. As of 2011, she is president of the United World Colleges movement and an advocate of the anti-nuclear weapons proliferation campaign Global Zero. In 2015, Queen Noor received the Woodrow Wilson Award for her public
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 18, 2015 - 09:55am PT
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The Muslims kept the world's knowledge of science, mathematics, astronomy and even medicine alive during the Dark Ages while Europeans groveled in the misery, disease, warfare and superstition of the time.
Yes, the Muslims were also engaged in warfare and conquest. A lot of it defending themselves from the Crusaders trying to liberate the "Holy Land". Which was/is equally holy to Muslims, Christians and Jews.
There are wicked Muslims, sure. And wicked Christians and Jews.
For a variety of pathological reasons a large number of bigoted American "Christians" have tarred all Muslims with the same brush. Cynically speaking, it's a great way to get more people into church and to feed the church coffers out of fear. Faux News eats it up and spews it out undigested.
Don't forget that the Catholic Church in Germany did almost nothing to oppose Hitler. The Mormons murdered the Fancher Party and blamed it on Indians. Cortez and the Spanish Conquistadors enslaved tens of thousands of American Natives and killed many who wouldn't convert to Catholicism. The US attempted to corral or exterminate all of the "savage" Indians. The Catholic Church had the Inquisition. Joan of Arc was burned at the stake. And this doesn't include the tens of thousands of incidents and millions killed that were never recorded. We slaughtered a couple of hundred thousand Japanese in two days at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The oldest trick in the book for a demagogue is to demonize "the others". I could name a half dozen living Christian Televangelists. And the current Israeli PM's latest election campaign.
Senator Joe McCarthy. The list is endless.
Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone There is plenty of blood on all our hands.
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philo
Trad climber
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May 18, 2015 - 10:04am PT
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Nice Hightraverse.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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May 18, 2015 - 10:09am PT
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Just as you can't judge every muslim from the actions done by a few muslims, you can't judge every American from the bombs, poison and napalm dropped in Vietnam...
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 18, 2015 - 10:14am PT
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Criticism was never about Muslims in the first place,
at least not among the informed; rather, it was about the
bad ideas of Islam, esp Islamism.
For more, I would suggest the works of Maajid Nawaz, Irshad Manji,
and Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
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couchmaster
climber
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May 19, 2015 - 05:47am PT
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They are hiring swordsmen in Saudi Arabia to hack off heads, arms and feet as needed. No experience needed they say. I'm sure one of them could rise to greatness if they keep a sharp blade and get enough practice. I remember not long ago in Iran, and American woman was wearing a skirt. As only prostitutes publicly wear skirts in Iran, she was arrested, charged with prostitution (but remember, she was not a prostitute, she was ONLY wearing a skirt) and ordered to be whipped 20 times in the public square. Wonder who does that job?
http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-advertises-swordsmen-execution-rate-soars-103337479.html
"Riyadh (AFP) - Saudi Arabia advertised vacancies for eight executioners Tuesday after beheading nearly as many people since the start of the year as it did in the whole of 2014. The civil service ministry said that no qualifications were necessary and that applicants would be exempted from the usual entrance exams. It said that as well as beheadings, the successful candidates would be expected to carry out amputations ordered by the courts under the kingdom's strict version of Islamic sharia law."
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - May 19, 2015 - 07:59am PT
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There is plenty of blood on all our hands.
HT for the win.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 19, 2015 - 08:13am PT
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The Muslims kept the world's knowledge of science, mathematics, astronomy and even medicine alive during the Dark Ages while Europeans groveled in the misery, disease, warfare and superstition of the time.
OK, so they did some algebra and stuff - a lot of good it did 'em. I've a
fiver that they didn't get shorted on their fair share of misery, disease,
and warfare. In fact, I seem to recall from a book or two that they
dished out at least their share of warfare. As for superstition a djinn
once told me... oh, never mind.
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