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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
May 19, 2015 - 08:35am PT
the greatest NBA scorer of all time, Kareem.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Topic Author's Reply - May 19, 2015 - 10:45am PT
Ali was mentioned on the first page.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
May 20, 2015 - 11:28pm PT
Malcolm X:

He has been called one of the greatest and most influential African Americans in history.

In February 1965 he was assassinated by three Nation of Islam members. The Autobiography of Malcolm X, published shortly after his death, is considered one of the most influential nonfiction books of the 20th century.
Avery

climber
NZ
May 20, 2015 - 11:37pm PT
Well done, Survival: A timely and much appreciated thread.
Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
May 20, 2015 - 11:55pm PT
Yeah I'm pretty partial to Rumi too.

“Don’t grieve. Anything you lose comes round in another form.”
― Rumi

“When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy.”
― Rumi

“Why struggle to open a door between us when the whole wall is an illusion?”
― Rumi

And finally;

“Without demolishing religious schools (madrassahs) and minarets and without abandoning the beliefs and ideas of the medieval age, restriction in thoughts and pains in conscience will not end. Without understanding that unbelief is a kind of religion, and that conservative religious belief a kind of disbelief, and without showing tolerance to opposite ideas, one cannot succeed. Those who look for the truth will accomplish the mission.
― Rumi
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
May 21, 2015 - 12:45am PT
I'm a little suspicious of that last Rumi quote.... sounds rather modern, especially considering that Rumi lived in the 13th century and the term 'medieval' wasn't used until at least the 15th century.

I found this article on the distortion of Rumi's thought found in many modern translations quite interesting...

http://www.dar-al-masnavi.org/corrections_popular.html

Great soul and great Muslim none the less

Delhi Dog

climber
Good Question...
May 21, 2015 - 01:49am PT
Yeah your right Rockerman. I still like it though.

Coleman Barks has done (IMHO) a fine job of "translating' much of Rumi's work.
And I dig what he's done.

http://www.colemanbarks.com/

Of course anything from the 1200's is somewhat suspect anyway:-)
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
May 21, 2015 - 09:13am PT
So it's a shame Rumi's not around today, 2015, to encourage an Islamic reformation?


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418704/fall-palmyra-strategic-historical-and-human-loss-tom-rogan

Hey I believe in Higher Powers, Mother Nature and Grandma Nature, Whom I sometimes call Gods.

Just yesterday: "Thank the Gods for cheese and brats!"

Rumi...

I died as a mineral and became a plant,
I died as plant and rose to animal,
I died as animal and I was Man.
Why should I fear? When was I less by dying?
Yet once more I shall die as Man, to soar
With angels bless'd; but even from angelhood
I must pass on: all except God doth perish.
When I have sacrificed my angel-soul,
I shall become what no mind e'er conceived.
Oh, let me not exist! for Non-existence
Proclaims in organ tones,
To Him we shall return.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Feb 8, 2017 - 09:28am PT
LA Times has a story about Mohamed Bzeek, a "devout Libyan-born Muslim", living in LA County, who, since 1989,
has cared for 10 terminally ill foster children.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-foster-father-sick-children-2017-story.html

Now, Bzeek spends long days and sleepless nights caring for a bedridden 6-year-old foster girl with
a rare brain defect. She’s blind and deaf. She has daily seizures. Her arms and legs are paralyzed.

“I know she can’t hear, can’t see, but I always talk to her,” he said. “I’m always holding her,
playing with her, touching her. … She has feelings. She has a soul. She’s a human being.”

Bzeek is the only foster parent in the county known to take in terminally ill children....

fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Feb 8, 2017 - 09:49am PT
Nice find... better than the usual "heroes" we hear about good at sports with one ball, or plastic people in the moo-vees.

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 8, 2017 - 10:40am PT
Nice find, indeed.

Mohamed Bzeek - a great humanitarian
couchmaster

climber
Feb 8, 2017 - 03:49pm PT


Yo: in an attempt to help you all compile this list of great muslims, lets ask Seattle cartoonist Molly Norris to help yall answer this one. What say?


couchmaster

climber
Feb 8, 2017 - 03:58pm PT
OK then, no one? OK, maybe she can't help our quest. Here's one: Nonie Darwish

Opps, nevermind, she converted to Christianity and has a death sentence on her because of it.

Bad idea. ...although it's true that she has more courage than most of the douchbags posting on Supertopo. Shitloads more. Folks like you. And most assuredly much more than me of course. Shitloads. But she'll be executed for her conversion. Righteously so in fact. That's a no-no. All great muslims agree.
couchmaster

climber
Feb 8, 2017 - 04:01pm PT
How about writer Forag Foda?

Opps, sorry, assassinated because he wrote some incorrect religious thought that defended secularism and Western values. But the Fatwa that was issued was issued by one of the most famous and greatest of the Muslim scholars - Sheikh Gad al-Haq Ali Gad al-Haq, who at the time was the Grand Imam of al-Azhar, Egypt’s highest authority in Sunni Islamic thought and Islamic jurisprudence, so there is that.

Clash. Can we nominate him? He was one of the greatest Muslims they say.

Clash.


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Sheikh Gad al hack hack -great Muslim.
couchmaster

climber
Feb 8, 2017 - 04:05pm PT


Hopefully that will help build the list up, seemed to have stalled out. Oh, did the thing with the Muslim writer Salmon Rushdie make this list of "great Muslims" ? He's got a $4 million bounty on his head for writing incorrect thoughts and it's a great thing that no Muslims havebeen able to kill him yet, but the Japanese translator of “The Satanic Verses” got whacked, so it wasn't a total miss. That Fatwa was slapped on by one of the most famous Muslims of our generation, Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. Very much a great Muslim in the eyes of ALL Shia's, perhaps the greatest after Mohamed and Ali (Ali ibn Abi Talib - Mohamed's cousin) - so add him to your list of Great Muslims. Khomeini that is, not the "apostate" writer Rushdie who wrote a fiction that was later characterized as disparaging to muslims and thus deserved to be killed in the eyes of ALL Shias.


No freedom of speech bullshit needed to be a "Great Muslim" is there? Feel free to kill any writer who disagrees with you, right? So add Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini to the list of GREAT Muslims. As all Shia Muslims love him so much, towards the top of the list please.

As a side note, I've met a lot of Muslims and they generally tend to be fine folks. No joke. Like us, they have weak spots. Ours are in significantly different places of course. For example, American men think it's OK for women to drive a car whereas.........HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Nevermind. Oh, as a side note, I tried to actually read Rushdies "Satanic Verses" once, couldn't either finish it or figure out- it was damned painful to me and I never sussed out what all the hububub was about. But if a "Great" Muslim like the Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini was able to finish it (Jesus Christ how could anyone?) AND he thought that it was offensive, then whack away GREAT Muslim. Dude probably had it coming don't ya'll think?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Feb 8, 2017 - 05:30pm PT
Auda abu Tayi
Auda abu Tayi is considered a hero of the Arab revolt. For while Prince Feisal was the prophet of Islam, Auda was the warrior. T.E. Lawrence romanticized him as someone who epitomized everything noble, powerful and proud about the Bedouin, "the greatest fighting man in northern Arabia", with an impressive lineage of many generations of great desert Howeitat warriors of the Arabian peninsula. Lawrence wrote that

“He saw life as a saga, all the events in it were significant: all personages in contact with him heroic, his mind was stored with poems of old raids and epic tales of fights.”

As was customary in the desert Auda was known for his hospitality and generosity which "kept him always poor, despite the profits of a hundred raids". He claimed he had been married 28 times and wounded more than a dozen times in action. Legend had it that he had killed 75 Arabs by his own hand; he didn't even bother to keep count of the Turks. In battle Auda became a wild beast assuaged only after he had killed. He was hot-headed but always kept a smile on his face. Despite his fierce reputation he was described as modest, direct, honest, kind-hearted and warmly-loved.

Auda lived in the desert near the Hejaz railway. He preferred the isolation which became necessary after he killed one too many debt collectors from Constantinople and the Turks put a price on his head. The desert landscapes were the exact areas Faisal and Lawrence needed to operate in to avoid close attention from the Turks. Lawrence wrote:

“Only by means of Auda abu Tayi could we swing the tribes from Ma'an to Aqaba so violently in our favour that they would help us take Aqaba and its hills from their Turkish garrisons.”
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