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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:27am PT
Exactly. You can ask Jesus, he'll tell you. Ask him serious now, no fibbing.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:31am PT
I say, "why didn't he go to the police"?

And you say "Oh, but jennie, you delusional idiot, what Mormon policeman would arrest a Mormon Bishop"?

After reading your posts for six years...I'm afraid you're quite predictable, Wes
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:37am PT
I don't know a lot of seven year old's who would go to the police when their bishop threatens to "hurt them real bad" if they tell anyone. And if the bishop happens to be the child's father...

Oh come on now, let me hear you blame it on the fact that it was the father and ignore the part about him being a Moron bishop...

ANYONE outside the church would be considered guilty with a mere accusation. But when it involves a church leader in Utah, the burden of proof is on the 7 year old victim. Nice, your Jesus would be proud of you for turning the other cheek.


The sad thing is, you just can't admit it. If someone told me "a geologist" or "a professor" or "a climber" or "a cop" or "a damn near anything" molested a little boy, I would think... "damn, that sucks, I hope they busted that fukhead." But if someone tells a Moron that a bishop molested a kid... it just can't be true... they must be lying...

pathetic
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:49am PT
You're generalizing...as if this is a common occurance...and hoping those outside domains will wonder if it indeed is...

It's not.

Yes, any molester should be brought down...but I'm not going to accede to this being common occurance.

the glue that holds the community together breaks down when malignant sins against the innocent happen. You're ridiculous suggesting that the Mormon community will allow a wayward leader to victimize a child and do the things the church profess are wrong.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:56am PT
You are ridiculous suggesting that a portion of the Moron community YOU HAVE NEVER EVEN MET is any better than the folks who covered for Sandusky at Penn State or those in the Catholic Crutch who covered for the thousands of accused priests... just because they share your silly beliefs.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jan 31, 2013 - 04:01am PT
Oh, now i'm suggesting Mormons are better?

Yes, play the arrogance and ethnocentrism card....
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jan 31, 2013 - 04:07am PT
And where were you when this offense occured? Did you attempt to access justice?

You want me to admit that some unsubstantiated crime you pull out of your hat on ST...indeed happened... yet you say nothing about what you attempted to remedy your friend's predicament.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 04:19am PT
Where did I say it was a common occurrence? I said I know 5 people who were molested... that's a pretty small percentage of the people I know.

What I said is that you are a pathetic fool for immediately questioning the validity of my claim based on the fact that the offenders happened to share your same religious delusions.

You want me to admit that some unsubstantiated crime you pull out of your hat on ST...indeed happened... yet nothing about what you attempted to do to remedy your friend's predicament.

Do you realize how idiotic Penn State fans looked when they said basically the same thing in the light of the accusations against Sandusky? I don't want or need you to admit anything "indeed happened."

What I want, and the children of your community need, is for idiots like you to pull their heads out of their asses and accept the fact that the religious (or sports) titles you put on people DON'T MEAN SH#T. Many sexual predators seek out EXACTLY THOSE POSITIONS of authority and trust.

You don't have to admit it to me, but you should admit to yourself... if I had said it was a professor or a teacher or a coach who molested my friend, you wouldn't have thought twice about whether or not it was true.



Which brings us full circle... any openly gay person in the BS or the Moron church would be an easy target. Any accusation from a homophobic redneck fuknard would be take way more seriously against an openly gay individual than a bishop with repressed homosexual desires/curiosities.
Michelle

Social climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 31, 2013 - 05:04am PT
ok then..

I'm sorry for your experiences wes. I agree with you that the predators seek out positions of authority. However, the issue isn't strictly an LDS matter. Sure, it's creepy. it's creepy NO MATTER who does it. singling out a group you don't agree with is a demonstration of a lack of tolerance.

I won't debate the religious issue. not worth my time, but have at it.


don't make me delete this thread dammit
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 31, 2013 - 05:46am PT
No, but mormons have a long history of molesting children - they just call them 'wives' and then all is well.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jan 31, 2013 - 05:54am PT
but mormons have a long history of molesting children


Please substantiate...
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Jan 31, 2013 - 07:10am PT
The Boy Scouts reek of fascism and the goose step.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
healyje, Jennie is right. Marrying 14 year olds is not official church doctrine. Sure, they did it in the past and even their founder married 14 year old girls. But they haven't "officially" done it since the mid-19th century, so it doesn't really count.

That's another great thing about being a Moron... not only do they get to hide behind a shield of unwarranted, self-perceived righteousness, they also get to change their official stance on pretty much anything they want. All it takes is for the right MAN to have a psychotic episode... I mean revelation. And voila! Those who still believe what they used to preach are now outcast as Fundamentalist LDS, and the sheeple who believe the new line of bullshit are the official LDS.

Like when Allan Watts had his rap bolting revelation. Sure, people still use widgets and spring loaded spam catchers, but they are "traditional climbers"... not "climbers."
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
jeezus... What a bunch pf stereo typing we have here. My kids were just kids having a good damm time in the out of doors learning. No goose stepping,, no nazi like actions what so ever..The dug the fishing, the catch and the release. Or the fryers on the pan over the camp fire.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
Ron, did they swear oaths to God and country several times a day?
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 31, 2013 - 01:05pm PT


Do "Scout masters" have to have children in the scouts at the same time they are being "Scout master(baters)", or can they take that position even if they don't have a kid of theirs in the organization???...

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
I'm pretty sure there is no such requirement to be a scout master. You just need approval from the proper (religious) authorities. The 2 weeks I was in scouts we had a woman as a scout master. She never fondled me.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 31, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
Wes,, no there were no repeated oaths or any of the like. Just a bunch of good kids learning to play in the out of doors. Hungry to learn about fish, fishing, and fish eating! They also got an intro into some easy bouldering.
I got to take them into little valley a few times- to fish the brookies and occasional golden.. They lovd learning how to prepare and cook fish on a camp fire. They learned about trees and other flora as well as fauna..
Not one instance of zealousness over oaths or any of the like.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
Then it weren't BSA. It was you talking a group of kids fishing, etc. My dad and the patrons of his bar did the exact same thing for us. We always had a blast.

Check the proto-ARMY adds... THAT is the BSA.
http://www.scouting.org/Youth.aspx

They gots oaths and sh#t you MUST recite ad nausea to get "promoted."
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
healyje, Jennie is right. Marrying 14 year olds is not official church doctrine. Sure, they did it in the past and even their founder married 14 year old girls. But they haven't "officially" done it since the mid-19th century, so it doesn't really count.

Yeah, they bumped it up to 15 - still a child.
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