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Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
Some kids flourish in the Scouts. My very first climbing partners had all been scouts in Ventura.. They were the most fun, wild, crazy adventure awesome folks I have ever had the pleasure of backpacking, climbing, and getting thrown in the river by... Yes, they did that... I was taking too long to wake up. It was hilarious and it did work.

It was because of them I've gone deep into the Sespe. Because of them I learned how to backpack correctly, use a map and compass, hiked part of the John Muir Trail, got into my first natural hot tubs, saw my first Indian painted cave, explored an old mine, etc.

They met each other through the scouts, one of them took an interest in me and I ended up learning so much while he Romanced me... Even when he gave up they still took me out and I am deeply grateful for them. I would not have even been in this adventure world without them, none of you would have known me, etc.

Plus, the Scouts help my husband become who he is. My best friend, etc. My life is better because of them so yeah, what is not to like? Now will I "force" Aris to be a scout? No way, but if he likes it, I'm game. Again, scouts is not for everyone but when it works, why the heck not?
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
the scouts seems like a terrible place to meet girls.
Psilocyborg

climber
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
Yeah I agree with you too mechrist....mormons and thier silly beliefs, we should gather them all up in one place so we can keep an eye on them. Jews too....their beliefs are just sooooooo annoying! Always with the molesting of kids! Its just like blacks always eating watermelons!

Stupid f*#king hindus too with thier dumb elephants lets add them to mechrists concentration camp! Who else...oh of course...christians!

I agree with you mechrist I hate them all and they should die
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
I was always into wilderness adventures and like some here a Boy Scout.
Troop 13, Riverside, Ca. in the early 70's was fortunate to have a scoutmaster (Mr. Brophy) that placed more importance in trips to the wilderness than wearing uniforms and earning merit badges.

Every summer
for 5 years our troop would take 10 day backpacking trips into the Sierras
each time hitting a different area. Other trips included Grand Canyon, a Colorado River canoe trip, Death Valley, Panamint Mountains, exploring old
mines in the SoCal desert, Joshua Tree, San Jacinto, San Gorgonio and San
Gabriel Wildernesses. I never made Eagle Scout, Life Scout was the highest
rank I achieved but more important was the time spent and skills learned
in the wilderness.

I had a great time in the Boy Scouts

Tad
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
way to write between the lines sillycyborg.
Psilocyborg

climber
Jan 31, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
You dripping with a hatred for mormons, mechrist. It is ok because you aren't hating on blacks or jews? I don't see a difference.

Mormons aren't your problem, its as#@&%es that treated you poorly when you were young, child molesters, ect and I think black white jew christians muslims athiests can all agree on that one
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 05:00pm PT
You really don't see the difference between disliking members of a group that pride themselves on their absurd believes (Morons), and disliking people based on ethnicity (blacks and Jews)?

I've never been approached by a black person or a Jewish person who tried to convince me to become one of them or share their wackass beliefs. As far as I know, you don't have to pay 10% of your income to some organization in order to be considered a good black person and send forth 19 year olds with the title "Elder" to spread Blackism to all corners of the world. You can ALWAYS choose to stop being a Moron, you can NEVER stop being black or Jewish.

I've said it over and over and over... Mormons outside of Utah and Idaho are a hell of a lot cooler (on average) than those behind the Zion curtain. Many of them even agree the Morons in Utah/Idaho are fuked in the head.

That being said, I still hold quite a few SLC climbers in very high regard... who happen to be Mormon. I think their beliefs are silly, I think a lot of people's thoughts are silly, but that doesn't change the fact that they are top notch people. I know about 5 cool Mormons, out of the hundreds of Morons I've dealt with... that includes my brother and mom.
Psilocyborg

climber
Jan 31, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
You are just splitting hairs in definitions. Words are just words brother, but your negativity spirals outward.

Take the high road, you don't have to feed back the baddies, otherwise you ARE them, one and the same. Hate will never conquer love, but love can snuff out hate.....and easily I might add. Where are you in this balancing act?

In a thread about accepting gays, no less. Oh the irony.

I am just hoping to spread a little light to where I see some darkness my friend...peace and love to you
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Jan 31, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
When friends ask me to buy popcorn, etc., to support their kid in the scouts... I just say No.

And I tell them why.

Vote with your money. Don't give it to the BSA.
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Jan 31, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
You really don't see the difference between disliking members of a group that pride themselves on their absurd believes (Morons), and disliking people based on ethnicity (blacks and Jews)?

If you hate (or just judge) a single individual because of the group to which they belong, you are prejudice. You have judged them before you actually know them. There is absolutely no difference just because the group is made common by their color or religion.

Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jan 31, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
The Post Register, a daily newspaper in Idaho Fall Idaho had a long fight exposing sexual abuse of local Boy Scouts.

http://www.postregister.com/scouts_honor/index.php


"Scouts' Honor" tells the story that the Boy Scouts did not want you to read: How the Grand Teton Council leaders ignored multiple warnings and hired a pedophile to help lead a summer camp.

This series relies on public documents that two of Idaho's most powerful law firms tried to bury -- more than 1,000 pages, including sworn statements that spell out how the molester depended on church, family and Scout connections to get away with abusing at least two dozen boys from Idaho to Alaska.



Sick of being preyed on, a 14-year-old Scout forced Scout leaders to call police.
At least one Grand Teton Council board officer knew Brad Stowell had a problem.
Experts disagree, widely, whether it was certain that Stowell would strike again.
After the molester was caught, what did Grand Teton Council leaders decide to change?
Where are the key Scout officials and other players today?

What should you do if you think you, your child or a friend was in harm's way?


March 11, 2005

Secret Boy Scout case opened

Leaders: Telling parents about molester would 'open old wounds'

April 6, 2005

Stowell faces probation hearing

Former Boy Scouts leader allegedly violated his probation for interacting with children and viewing pornography

April 26, 2005

Stowell sentenced to prison

Man who admitted molesting boys gets 2 to 14 years for probation violation

May 05, 2005

Scouts whistleblower honored

Police and sheriff's office recognize Adam Steed for his service to the community

July 13, 2005

Scout case 'not found'

Court records show fourth pedophile led several Boy Scouts outings

March 14, 2006

Abuse bill now law

As of Monday, Idaho no longer has a statute of limitations on child sex abuse


July 03, 2005

MORE PEDOPHILE CASES EMERGE WITH SCOUT CAMP CONNECTIONS

PEDOPHILES AT SCOUT CAMP


March 6, 2005

A true story of a Scout in action

Denying the obvious

March 11, 2005

A hypocrite plays his games

March 13, 2005

The judgment

May 01, 2005

Seven years later

July 14, 2005

And then there were four


March 6, 2005

A Boy Scout to the end -- Mary Beckman

March 9, 2005

Scouts Honor was a disservice -- Mary Haley

March 10, 2005

When warnings go unheeded -- Richard Scarborough
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
There is absolutely no difference just because the group is made common by their color or religion.

Sure there is. You choose your religion, you don't choose your color. They can change their silly beliefs anytime they want... and they do quite often.

Prejudice is a preconceived judgement formed without knowledge. I have more than enough knowledge and experience with thousands of Morons to make an informed judgement about their group. Furthermore, the groups a person CHOOSES to belong to is a direct reflection on that person. So, by extension, I feel fairly comfortable judging the majority of group members based on their CHOSEN affiliation with a group.

That said, I don't give a flying fuk if anyone believes in magic seer stones, golden plates, or magic underwear, as long as it doesn't taint their perspective too much and they don't try to sell me any of it. My brother is a Mormon, wears the funny undies, got married in the temple, goes to crutch every Sun, does his ward duties, the whole deal... and he is one of the coolest people I know. I love hanging out with him and his brainwashed kids.

When a prominent geochemist was accused of child porn in 2001(?) my reaction was "what a fukhead." I never once questioned the validity of the claims because we happened to share a love of Gibbs free energy.


Experts disagree, widely, whether it was certain that Stowell would strike again.

Exactly. It wasn't "certain" if he would strike again... and he's such a good Moron boy. Same sh#t as Penn State letting Sandusky's summer camps continue, despite being banned from bringing boys onto the main campus.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 31, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
You can ALWAYS choose to stop being a Moron, you can NEVER stop being black or Jewish.

True if you're black, untrue if you're Jewish. Untold thousands of them did, throughout history.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 09:12pm PT
You are confusing the religion of Judaism with Jewish ethnicity. A common mistake.

I reserve the right to dis any and all silly Judaic bullshit people choose to believe in. At the same time, I love my gf's latkes and only make fun of her Jew nose when she deserves it. See the difference yet?
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 31, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
You are confusing the religion of Judaism with Jewish ethnicity. A common mistake.

I reserve the right to dis any and all silly Judaic bullshit people choose to believe in. At the same time, I love my gf's latkes and only make fun of her Jew nose when she deserves it. See the difference yet?

Well I suppose the Mormons in Salt Lake (at least the ones descended from the original Mormon settlers) have a Mormon "ethnicity" that is just as real as Jewish ethnicity.

But I don't know about this "ethnicity" stuff--yeah Hitler believed there was something to it, but we don't have to agree with him. Seems to me that jews (at least of the Ashkenazi variety) are just white people with (sometimes) big noses, unless they (or a Hitler type) choose to make it into something more. Lots of Jews do of course, but lots don't. For them, forcing an "ethnicity" onto them seems to make about as much sense as forcing any other gringo to make some (artificial) connection with whatever particular patch of Europe his ancestors happened to wander around on before they got on the boat.

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.”
Philip K. Dick
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 1, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
you are an idiot
crock

Trad climber
The Windiest Mountain, Wyoming
Feb 3, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
mechrist writes:
you are an idiot

Wes,

You're trying to bring the juvenile arrogance of RC.com here.

It will play better there.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 3, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
Lets make it easier for them. Much like the Catholic hierarchy did for the priests.

If their caught buggering children we can just transfer them to the other end of the country, or perhaps to a third world country.

This, plus some other posts, lay out the problem.

Ignorant people who have no training nor expertise, use a "common sense"
approach to dealing with child sexual predators.

The Boy Scouts have done this, the Catholic church, as well.

They take the position that an adult molests a young boy. Obviously, the boys need to be protected from homosexuals.

Only one problem.....

Those who molest boy are NOT homosexuals, they are pedophiles. Different breed of human. In fact, virtually all molesters of boys lead a heterosexual lifestyle.

So, when you wonder why the long program to purge gays has not resulted in less molestation.......they're purging the wrong people.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
Those who molest boy are NOT homosexuals, they are pedophiles. Different breed of human. In fact, virtually all molesters of boys lead a heterosexual lifestyle...

... usually with aggressively suppressed homosexual desires/curiosities, otherwise the victimization of little girls by trusted religious officials would be equally prevalent.

The following was conducted at BYU. But as Jennie will vehemently point out, it is NOT part of church doctrine. Besides, it was soo long ago... nothing like that occurs today... that would be horrible publicity.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/mormon-gay-cures-reparative-therapies-shock-today/story?id=13240700
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Feb 3, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
Those who molest boy are NOT homosexuals, they are pedophiles. Different breed of human. In fact, virtually all molesters of boys lead a heterosexual lifestyle.


Most child molesters don't really have any adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
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