Vote to end the ban on gays in the Boy Scouts right now!


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Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
Then it weren't BSA. It was you talking a group of kids fishing, etc. My dad and the patrons of his bar did the exact same thing for us. We always had a blast.

Check the proto-ARMY adds... THAT is the BSA.

They gots oaths and sh#t you MUST recite ad nausea to get "promoted."

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
healyje, Jennie is right. Marrying 14 year olds is not official church doctrine. Sure, they did it in the past and even their founder married 14 year old girls. But they haven't "officially" done it since the mid-19th century, so it doesn't really count.

Yeah, they bumped it up to 15 - still a child.

Jan 31, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
Bill is an Eagle Scout, a 100% Jewish Boy and his troop was run by the Local Baptist Church. Bill loved it, got into climbing, sailing, archery, and fly fishing because of the Scouts. He never felt out of place because he wasn't part of the Church. They hosted it, but that was it, the rest was pure scout stuff and he has many fond memories of the fun, the pranks, and the adventures of his troops.

Also my best friend is a Biochemistry Professor, an Atheist, and an Eagle Scout. He still regularly volunteers for the Scouts. His favorite part is the pranks. He never had a problem with his point of view being interfered by the scouts, he goes with the flow, enjoys helping kids experience new things, etc.

It is what you make of it.

Yes, some troops are a bit insane. A troop could be run by and ex Navy Seal, or some end of the world survivalist, or a religious nut. Each troop is different and that's why it's important to "know" the troop your kid is joining. People need to be picky but overall, Boy Scouts as a bad thing... Yeah, I really don't think so...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
Anastasia,, you ROCK....;-)

Jan 31, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
Why is this important? If I had a gay child I wouldnt want them joining, hell I wouldn't want my straight kid joining.

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:19pm PT



Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
Any self respecting gay kid wouldn't be caught dead in public wearing THAT uniform !

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
Anastasia, those were not BSA in Utah or Idaho. Hell, even the Morons outside of Utah/Idaho are generally cooler people... although still a bit smug and self-righteous about their beliefs... as if believing even crazier sh#t about the god of abraham is some kind of achievement to be proud of.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
why do i think wes got booted from the scouts?

Jan 31, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
Some kids flourish in the Scouts. My very first climbing partners had all been scouts in Ventura.. They were the most fun, wild, crazy adventure awesome folks I have ever had the pleasure of backpacking, climbing, and getting thrown in the river by... Yes, they did that... I was taking too long to wake up. It was hilarious and it did work.

It was because of them I've gone deep into the Sespe. Because of them I learned how to backpack correctly, use a map and compass, hiked part of the John Muir Trail, got into my first natural hot tubs, saw my first Indian painted cave, explored an old mine, etc.

They met each other through the scouts, one of them took an interest in me and I ended up learning so much while he Romanced me... Even when he gave up they still took me out and I am deeply grateful for them. I would not have even been in this adventure world without them, none of you would have known me, etc.

Plus, the Scouts help my husband become who he is. My best friend, etc. My life is better because of them so yeah, what is not to like? Now will I "force" Aris to be a scout? No way, but if he likes it, I'm game. Again, scouts is not for everyone but when it works, why the heck not?

Jan 31, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
the scouts seems like a terrible place to meet girls.

Jan 31, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
Yeah I agree with you too mechrist....mormons and thier silly beliefs, we should gather them all up in one place so we can keep an eye on them. Jews too....their beliefs are just sooooooo annoying! Always with the molesting of kids! Its just like blacks always eating watermelons!

Stupid f*#king hindus too with thier dumb elephants lets add them to mechrists concentration camp! Who else...oh of course...christians!

I agree with you mechrist I hate them all and they should die
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
I was always into wilderness adventures and like some here a Boy Scout.
Troop 13, Riverside, Ca. in the early 70's was fortunate to have a scoutmaster (Mr. Brophy) that placed more importance in trips to the wilderness than wearing uniforms and earning merit badges.

Every summer
for 5 years our troop would take 10 day backpacking trips into the Sierras
each time hitting a different area. Other trips included Grand Canyon, a Colorado River canoe trip, Death Valley, Panamint Mountains, exploring old
mines in the SoCal desert, Joshua Tree, San Jacinto, San Gorgonio and San
Gabriel Wildernesses. I never made Eagle Scout, Life Scout was the highest
rank I achieved but more important was the time spent and skills learned
in the wilderness.

I had a great time in the Boy Scouts


Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
way to write between the lines sillycyborg.

Jan 31, 2013 - 04:24pm PT
You dripping with a hatred for mormons, mechrist. It is ok because you aren't hating on blacks or jews? I don't see a difference.

Mormons aren't your problem, its as#@&%es that treated you poorly when you were young, child molesters, ect and I think black white jew christians muslims athiests can all agree on that one

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 05:00pm PT
You really don't see the difference between disliking members of a group that pride themselves on their absurd believes (Morons), and disliking people based on ethnicity (blacks and Jews)?

I've never been approached by a black person or a Jewish person who tried to convince me to become one of them or share their wackass beliefs. As far as I know, you don't have to pay 10% of your income to some organization in order to be considered a good black person and send forth 19 year olds with the title "Elder" to spread Blackism to all corners of the world. You can ALWAYS choose to stop being a Moron, you can NEVER stop being black or Jewish.

I've said it over and over and over... Mormons outside of Utah and Idaho are a hell of a lot cooler (on average) than those behind the Zion curtain. Many of them even agree the Morons in Utah/Idaho are fuked in the head.

That being said, I still hold quite a few SLC climbers in very high regard... who happen to be Mormon. I think their beliefs are silly, I think a lot of people's thoughts are silly, but that doesn't change the fact that they are top notch people. I know about 5 cool Mormons, out of the hundreds of Morons I've dealt with... that includes my brother and mom.

Jan 31, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
You are just splitting hairs in definitions. Words are just words brother, but your negativity spirals outward.

Take the high road, you don't have to feed back the baddies, otherwise you ARE them, one and the same. Hate will never conquer love, but love can snuff out hate.....and easily I might add. Where are you in this balancing act?

In a thread about accepting gays, no less. Oh the irony.

I am just hoping to spread a little light to where I see some darkness my friend...peace and love to you
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Jan 31, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
When friends ask me to buy popcorn, etc., to support their kid in the scouts... I just say No.

And I tell them why.

Vote with your money. Don't give it to the BSA.

Lake Tahoe
Jan 31, 2013 - 06:44pm PT
You really don't see the difference between disliking members of a group that pride themselves on their absurd believes (Morons), and disliking people based on ethnicity (blacks and Jews)?

If you hate (or just judge) a single individual because of the group to which they belong, you are prejudice. You have judged them before you actually know them. There is absolutely no difference just because the group is made common by their color or religion.


Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jan 31, 2013 - 07:36pm PT
The Post Register, a daily newspaper in Idaho Fall Idaho had a long fight exposing sexual abuse of local Boy Scouts.

"Scouts' Honor" tells the story that the Boy Scouts did not want you to read: How the Grand Teton Council leaders ignored multiple warnings and hired a pedophile to help lead a summer camp.

This series relies on public documents that two of Idaho's most powerful law firms tried to bury -- more than 1,000 pages, including sworn statements that spell out how the molester depended on church, family and Scout connections to get away with abusing at least two dozen boys from Idaho to Alaska.

Sick of being preyed on, a 14-year-old Scout forced Scout leaders to call police.
At least one Grand Teton Council board officer knew Brad Stowell had a problem.
Experts disagree, widely, whether it was certain that Stowell would strike again.
After the molester was caught, what did Grand Teton Council leaders decide to change?
Where are the key Scout officials and other players today?

What should you do if you think you, your child or a friend was in harm's way?

March 11, 2005

Secret Boy Scout case opened

Leaders: Telling parents about molester would 'open old wounds'

April 6, 2005

Stowell faces probation hearing

Former Boy Scouts leader allegedly violated his probation for interacting with children and viewing pornography

April 26, 2005

Stowell sentenced to prison

Man who admitted molesting boys gets 2 to 14 years for probation violation

May 05, 2005

Scouts whistleblower honored

Police and sheriff's office recognize Adam Steed for his service to the community

July 13, 2005

Scout case 'not found'

Court records show fourth pedophile led several Boy Scouts outings

March 14, 2006

Abuse bill now law

As of Monday, Idaho no longer has a statute of limitations on child sex abuse

July 03, 2005



March 6, 2005

A true story of a Scout in action

Denying the obvious

March 11, 2005

A hypocrite plays his games

March 13, 2005

The judgment

May 01, 2005

Seven years later

July 14, 2005

And then there were four

March 6, 2005

A Boy Scout to the end -- Mary Beckman

March 9, 2005

Scouts Honor was a disservice -- Mary Haley

March 10, 2005

When warnings go unheeded -- Richard Scarborough
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