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QITNL

climber
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:19am PT
I was sort of curious about that myself.

http://www.aaregistry.org/historic_events/view/african-americans-boy-scout-movement

Mon, 1911-07-31

This date celebrates the founding of America’s first "Negro Boy Scout" troop in 1911. Initially started in Elizabeth City, North Carolina, opposition was encountered immediately, but troops continued to meet in increasing numbers. In 1916, the first official Boy Scout Council-promoted Negro Troop 75 began in Louisville, KY. By the next year, there were four official black troops in the area. By 1926, there were 248 all-black troops, with 4,923 black scouts and within ten years, there was only one Council in the entire South that refused to accept any black troops.

During this time as more troops started up, the Inter-racial Committee was established in January of 1927, with Stanley Harris as its leader. Also as part of the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) Inter-racial Service was "Program Outreach," a program that combined racial minorities with rural, poor, and handicapped boys. These programs were often ineffective, especially with immigrants who feared the BSA as a means to recruit for the Army. Another problem with Program Outreach was that it often didn't distinguish between the boys it viewed as "less chance" and those who were simply not white.

For example, the program's reports categorize some scouts as “Feeble-minded, Delinquency Areas, Orphanages, and Settlements." Many of the scouts in "Delinquent Areas" were blacks, who were measured as "Special Troops." Instead of embracing black Scouting, the BSA systematically categorized blacks, bringing a literal meaning to "racial handicap" as the color of their skin was why they were considered "special."

Scouting for minorities wasn't just confined to cities, Scouting in rural areas were also common. One of these programs was called "railroad scouting," where employees of the BSA would ride trains throughout the rural South, stopping at every town on the way to distribute information and encourage the formation of troops. This policy originated to cut down on railroad vandalism, and the BSA realized it was a great way to promote its organization. Native Americans were also a large portion of the minority Scouts, and lived in settlements in rural areas. With the help of these programs, the two Southern Regions, Region V in Memphis and Region VI in Atlanta, had growth rates of 28.2% and 47.9%, respectively. In 1937, 57.9% of black Scouts were from these two regions.


More at the link. I have no idea if it is true.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:23am PT
but I'll tell you, some parents will feel uncomfortable with a gay scout leader or scout.

but I'll tell you, some parents will feel uncomfortable with a black scout leader or scout.
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Both statements appear equally true to me.

I don't see what you mean by apples and oranges. ie that it's different somehow.

Studly

Trad climber
WA
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:25am PT
Scouting is not about sexual orientation, its about everything else. So if your sexuality becomes a issue in Boy Scouts, gay or hetero, then you're out of line. No way end the ban.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:27am PT
So why are they making it an issue? You are correct the BSA are way out of line.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:29am PT
On a serious note, the problem isn't gay scouts, but gay scout leaders. It's a recipe for abuse and pedophilia.

I don't trust most straight men with my kid on a camping trip. You want me to send him camping with a gay scout leader? Call me a homophobe, or whatever. It's common f*#king sense.

No, not all of them. But that's why they have the rules. To eliminate the possibility.


Blue...YOU are the problem. You are intent on keeping out people that have nothing to do with the crime committed. Why not keep out kangaroos? Just as effective.

You'll note that YOUR approach has been an abject failure. And the reason is obvious. You are targeting the wrong people.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:32am PT
Hey Ken! he could be on the right track.. perhaps if we banned all people out of the BSA then kids wouldn't be preyed upon in the BSA?

I'm pretty sure that would work.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:34am PT
As a former Scout myself, and father of a Life Scout, the concern I have is of gay Scoutmasters being Boy-Buggerers! No parent worth his or her salt will willingly send a child off to camp to be molested. Most youngsters haven't yet a clue about their own sexual orientations at the age in which Scouting begins. So...no...I will not vote for "allowing gays to be in scouts." It really isn't about the boys, is it?

Brokedown, that is EXACTLY what you are doing, because, through your lack of knowledge, you are NOT screening out the people you have to worry about.

Gays assaulting children is so rare, as to be a headline event. Virtually unknown.

But you don't bother to screen for the people you really need to worry about....pedophiles.

Why are intent on protecting pedophiles and supporting their attacks on children?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:36am PT
So...Climbski2...are YOU a parent? The business of being PC pales into insignificance to parents. I'm hopeful that someday a grandson of mine will become a Scout, and I really wouldn't appreciate a sexual predator as a Scoutmaster.

And yet.... you choose the PC position, based upon bias, wrong thinking, and a century of failed policy.

Your position INVITES a sexual predator as Scoutmaster. One wonders why you want that?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:37am PT
Ken M, please don't confuse me with the homophobic dipshits here. I am absolutely NOT saying homosexuals molest children. Sorry if it came off that way.

I am saying people who have not developed a healthy sense of sexuality are more likely to molest children. I'm not sure how much you have dealt with Mormons, but they tend to have pretty twisted views on sexuality... especially homosexuality.

I am a firm believer that homosexuality is perfectly healthy, perfectly normal, and in no way predisposes anyone to child molestation. Religions that suppress natural sexual tendencies and retard sexual development are another story.


Point taken, sorry for the misunderstanding.

dirtbag

climber
Feb 5, 2013 - 08:36am PT
I just started reading this--the last few pages only, in fact--but +1000 for Ken's fact-based BS debunking.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Feb 5, 2013 - 10:31am PT
One would think that a perv ( gay or straight) would find their way to to the Boy Scouts regardless of what the public stance is. You see this with other youth organizations( youth sports) . How many times have you read about the youth coach being arrested for inappropriate behavior and more recently, female teachers/coaches having inappropriate relationships with underaged youth. Sad world we live in.
While reading about this debate, I read that men can be leaders of Girl Scout troops with the restriction that a FEMALE adult is also present. Personally, I think having a parent present regardless of the leaders sexual orientation or gender is probably a really good idea.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Jerry Sandusky & Penn State?
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 5, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
Just curious, how many here had a jr. high school coach who would sit at his desk and watch all the boys shower... you know, just to make sure you were getting everything clean? Or make you stand in a line and drop your pants, while he slowly walked by, making sure everyone had the proper equipment? If you didn't have a jock strap/cup, you stood there with your pants around your ankles while he lectured you about how bad it would hurt if he kicked you in the junk.

Complaints were made for years, but in the end there was nothing to worry about... he was a good member of "the church," which means Mormon in Utah, and even a scout leader. As far as I know, he never touched anyone... but it was creepy nevertheless.
splitter

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane ~:~
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, is a psychiatric disorder described as exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (11 or younger).

The BSA are aged 11-18 (primarly postpubescent children).

So, child molestation would involve a minor (any age under 18).

Pedophilia involves a child under 12.

All pedophiles are child molesters, but the vast majority of child molesters are not pedophiles.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 5, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders 4th edition Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR) outlines specific criteria for use in the diagnosis of this disorder. These include the presence of sexually arousing fantasies, behaviors or urges that involve some kind of sexual activity with a prepubescent child (generally age 11 years or younger, though the diagnosis criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13) for six months or more, and that the subject has acted on these urges or suffers from distress as a result of having these feelings.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Feb 5, 2013 - 05:33pm PT
I think the perception by some that a gay troop leader is going to automatically assault your kid is totally wrong. My kids are not in the scouts but are heavily involved in youth athletics. I am sure they have had a gay coach along the way. So what ! It is my job as a parent to stay involved enough in my kids lives that I can determine if any of their coaches are creepy. In organized youth sports, I see measures in place to prevent children from being ALONE with a coach. Personally, I am more worried about the perv pedo than I am about whom the troop leader or coach chooses to sleep with at night. More and more often it seems that the dudes getting busted for molestation are sickos that are living their life being perceived as straight and are married, Sandusky for example.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Feb 5, 2013 - 05:37pm PT


Ban the Boyscouts...

Problem solved!!!...



Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Feb 5, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
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bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, is a psychiatric disorder described as exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (11 or younger).

The BSA are aged 11-18 (primarly postpubescent children).

So, child molestation would involve a minor (any age under 18).

Pedophilia involves a child under 12.

All pedophiles are child molesters, but the vast majority of child molesters are not pedophiles.


You have the rationale of a liberal psycho....
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
Ah yes, discussing terms used in medical diagnoses is the trademark of a psycho. Go drink a beer or 12 and play with your guns you fuknard.
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