Vote to end the ban on gays in the Boy Scouts right now!

but I just can't see why would you want to join an organization that doesn't want you?

I suspect many children who start the path don't have a clue about their sexual orientation.

Then again, if the 25% gay rate among males is true, the BSA is probably already 23% gay.

Why next, people of color may want to join? Or women? Sheesh! These nerve of these people!

I suspect many children who start the path don't have a clue about their sexual orientation.

This is a play for Obama stash- you know the kind that has caused multi-trillion dollar deficits.

Mr. ZzzzzzzzzzzBrown:
The typical baby boomer liberal from the sixties equating the BSA with Nazis. Maybe that's what will attract gay men who want to be around children.

if the 25% gay rate among males is true,

Why does it matter? I dunno. Because facts matter?

I am an agnostic.
Jesus Christ is one of the last figures in history I would choose to ignore.

eing gay happens but that does not mean being gay is normal from a biological scientific standpoint. It is unnatural

I think having openly gay members would be a huge improvement over the rampant repressed homosexuality they currently foster. But the BSA sucks, regardless.

LDS church is largest sponsor of the Boy Scouts in the U.S.

It's a yes and no thing for me...

I think each troop should have it's own policies. Especially since many Churches run scout troops. I think a troop being forced to accept someone they naturally would not isn't a good thing either. I would hate to see a gay boy put in a place where people will try to "cure" him, not really accept him. It can become a very hostile environment, etc. which doesn't do anyone any favors. Policies do not change behavior...

Yet I think if there is a troop opened minded enough to handle such a child, it can work. Why the heck not... I just think it's important for a parent of a gay child to be careful what they ask from others, especially folks that are not willing. Forcing folks creates new levels of hostility that will not help anyone grow, evolve, etc. Now if a parent of a gay child will take it on themselves to create a troop that is good for their child, willing to go the extra mile and find other children that wouldn't mind it... Then I agree. Especially since the troop is designed for just that in the first place, isn't bending others who are not ready for such an evolution. :)

I get the feeling neebee doesn't quite understand how pervasive this "group" is in Utar and Idaho... and Jennie is beyond brainwashed.

oh my, well, dermatitis issue is not the same thing...
any 'memeber of any group' could be sick,or have skin issues, or any such thing,and you have a point there--GOOD parenting, or such, or even 'general health issues' in boy's or sport's groups, sure did not
seem to have surfaced back then, :(

EDIT:
not meaning your dad, of course, meaning that good parnts should help teach kids that dermatitis issues are just that, and not to tease or fear it...

thanks for sharing...

crazy magic underwear, inherit your own universe bullsh#t.

The Father has promised us that through our faithfulness we shall be blessed with the fulness of his kingdom. In other words we will have the privilege of becoming like him. To become like him we must have all the powers of godhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one we are on and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fulness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring. We will have an endless eternity for this.

And you are going to pretend it didn't happen

You want me to admit that some unsubstantiated crime you pull out of your hat on ST...indeed happened... yet nothing about what you attempted to do to remedy your friend's predicament.

but mormons have a long history of molesting children

healyje, Jennie is right. Marrying 14 year olds is not official church doctrine. Sure, they did it in the past and even their founder married 14 year old girls. But they haven't "officially" done it since the mid-19th century, so it doesn't really count.

You really don't see the difference between disliking members of a group that pride themselves on their absurd believes (Morons), and disliking people based on ethnicity (blacks and Jews)?

"Scouts' Honor" tells the story that the Boy Scouts did not want you to read: How the Grand Teton Council leaders ignored multiple warnings and hired a pedophile to help lead a summer camp.

This series relies on public documents that two of Idaho's most powerful law firms tried to bury -- more than 1,000 pages, including sworn statements that spell out how the molester depended on church, family and Scout connections to get away with abusing at least two dozen boys from Idaho to Alaska.



Sick of being preyed on, a 14-year-old Scout forced Scout leaders to call police.
At least one Grand Teton Council board officer knew Brad Stowell had a problem.
Experts disagree, widely, whether it was certain that Stowell would strike again.
After the molester was caught, what did Grand Teton Council leaders decide to change?
Where are the key Scout officials and other players today?

What should you do if you think you, your child or a friend was in harm's way?


March 11, 2005

Secret Boy Scout case opened

Leaders: Telling parents about molester would 'open old wounds'

April 6, 2005

Stowell faces probation hearing

Former Boy Scouts leader allegedly violated his probation for interacting with children and viewing pornography

April 26, 2005

Stowell sentenced to prison

Man who admitted molesting boys gets 2 to 14 years for probation violation

May 05, 2005

Scouts whistleblower honored

Police and sheriff's office recognize Adam Steed for his service to the community

July 13, 2005

Scout case 'not found'

Court records show fourth pedophile led several Boy Scouts outings

March 14, 2006

Abuse bill now law

As of Monday, Idaho no longer has a statute of limitations on child sex abuse


July 03, 2005

MORE PEDOPHILE CASES EMERGE WITH SCOUT CAMP CONNECTIONS

PEDOPHILES AT SCOUT CAMP


March 6, 2005

A true story of a Scout in action

Denying the obvious

March 11, 2005

A hypocrite plays his games

March 13, 2005

The judgment

May 01, 2005

Seven years later

July 14, 2005

And then there were four


March 6, 2005

A Boy Scout to the end -- Mary Beckman

March 9, 2005

Scouts Honor was a disservice -- Mary Haley

March 10, 2005

When warnings go unheeded -- Richard Scarborough

There is absolutely no difference just because the group is made common by their color or religion.

Experts disagree, widely, whether it was certain that Stowell would strike again.

You can ALWAYS choose to stop being a Moron, you can NEVER stop being black or Jewish.

You are confusing the religion of Judaism with Jewish ethnicity. A common mistake.

I reserve the right to dis any and all silly Judaic bullshit people choose to believe in. At the same time, I love my gf's latkes and only make fun of her Jew nose when she deserves it. See the difference yet?

Lets make it easier for them. Much like the Catholic hierarchy did for the priests.

If their caught buggering children we can just transfer them to the other end of the country, or perhaps to a third world country.

Those who molest boy are NOT homosexuals, they are pedophiles. Different breed of human. In fact, virtually all molesters of boys lead a heterosexual lifestyle...

Those who molest boy are NOT homosexuals, they are pedophiles. Different breed of human. In fact, virtually all molesters of boys lead a heterosexual lifestyle.

Those who molest boy are NOT homosexuals, they are pedophiles.

Twice a week for six months, he jolted himself with painful shocks to the penis to rid himself of his attraction to men.

"As teens we were taught that homosexuality was second only to murder in the eyes of God," he said.

Those who molest boy are NOT homosexuals, they are pedophiles.

hard to believe the Mormon church would advocate penis shocking

Anyway, point is, the Moron church is a very accepting organization that in no way aims to suppress the desires of its homosexual members... producing nothing but wholesome men with no repressed sexual desires that may manifest in the Moron dominated BSA.

Nationally, Mormons do not dominate the BSA. BUT, if you are live in California (especially Sacramento) or Utah or Arizona the Mormon Church heavily dominates.

There is NO way you can argue that the Mormon church doesn't heavily influence BSA policy. Impossible.

usually with aggressively suppressed homosexual desires/curiosities, otherwise the victimization of little girls by trusted religious officials would be equally prevalent.

Gay scoutmasters are not the problem either. Criminally minded predators are the problem.

A private entity has no right to harmfully exclude people based on idiocy.

Try excluding any particular person with a specific skin color from your restaurant sometime. Well you might get by with it a few times if you are sneaky how you do it but a good chance that eventually the law will get you as it should.

I am saying people who have not developed a healthy sense of sexuality are more likely to molest children

I am saying people who have not developed a healthy sense of sexuality are more likely to molest children

I am saying people who have not developed a healthy sense of sexuality are more likely to molest children

No. Lol.. what is a private restaurant?

Sin is a pleasure for a short season as the Good Book says. G-d has judged cities due to their immorality. Think Sodom and Gomorrah. Both taken out with meteor impacts. G-d does indeed throw stones as judgement.

You are argueing with Hashem Adonai Elohim, not manand you,

really, LOL

you don't know the difference between private and public?

really? oh come on, no one is THAT stupid

are they?

Feb 4, 2013 - 07:08pm PT
Oh Klimmer I was a dead man the moment I was born.. I'm a sinner and have stopped pretending I could not be one a long time ago.

I do however try not to userb gods authority to judge my or anyone elses sins. But I'm sure I'm a hypocrit on that at times as well.

And how in the world does not allowing sinners in your church or organization constitute following Jesus'es example? That clearly is not biblical. Or for that matter even possible. Jesus even let Judas in his church. Assuming he knew what was gonna happen there it does seem to lend credence to the command to love your enemy.

That would be one hell of a small church now that I think about it... Like maybe one dead guy who is a ghost or something.

Climb2ski,

We are all sinners and fall short of the glory of G-d. That is why Yeshua HaMashiach came to Earth and willingly became the Lamb of G-d for the perfect atonement of our sins. He laid down his life for us, he loves us that much. All we have to do is accept it and be born again in the spirit of Adonai.

We all come in as sinners. Many of us have unspeakable backgrounds that we come from, but once we accept Hashem's grace through the perfect atoning blood of Yeshua, we are forgiven, and in genuine faith we will be born again. G-d will change you.

Once forgiven we aren't supposed to keep rolling around in the muck of sin. Yeshua said, "You're sins are forgiven you, now go and sin no more."

We will, we are human. But we can come to Hashem and ask forgiveness and he will pick us up off the floor again, brush us off and set us once again on the straight and narrow.

Still don't see how this applies to the BSA.

It really puzzles me why being a gay boy scout leader

"I Don't recall sexuality of any sort being much of an open issue as a scout. At least not from the program point of view. I don't recall a scoutmaster ever bringing up the issue in ANY manner."

If we can remove a few insults from the vernacular of children, I'm going to call that progress.

If we can remove a few insults from the vernacular of children, I'm going to call that progress.

From the experiences of the gay people I know

I still find it disturbing Klimmer teaches science.

surely, you do not believe that being gay is a "choice" or consideration one makes?
that has been proven wrong a long time ago

Same holds true if they are black.

but I'll tell you, some parents will feel uncomfortable with a gay scout leader or scout.

On a serious note, the problem isn't gay scouts, but gay scout leaders. It's a recipe for abuse and pedophilia.

I don't trust most straight men with my kid on a camping trip. You want me to send him camping with a gay scout leader? Call me a homophobe, or whatever. It's common f*#king sense.

No, not all of them. But that's why they have the rules. To eliminate the possibility.

As a former Scout myself, and father of a Life Scout, the concern I have is of gay Scoutmasters being Boy-Buggerers! No parent worth his or her salt will willingly send a child off to camp to be molested. Most youngsters haven't yet a clue about their own sexual orientations at the age in which Scouting begins. So...no...I will not vote for "allowing gays to be in scouts." It really isn't about the boys, is it?

So...Climbski2...are YOU a parent? The business of being PC pales into insignificance to parents. I'm hopeful that someday a grandson of mine will become a Scout, and I really wouldn't appreciate a sexual predator as a Scoutmaster.

Ken M, please don't confuse me with the homophobic dipshits here. I am absolutely NOT saying homosexuals molest children. Sorry if it came off that way.

I am saying people who have not developed a healthy sense of sexuality are more likely to molest children. I'm not sure how much you have dealt with Mormons, but they tend to have pretty twisted views on sexuality... especially homosexuality.

I am a firm believer that homosexuality is perfectly healthy, perfectly normal, and in no way predisposes anyone to child molestation. Religions that suppress natural sexual tendencies and retard sexual development are another story.

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders 4th edition Text Revision (DSM-IV-TR) outlines specific criteria for use in the diagnosis of this disorder. These include the presence of sexually arousing fantasies, behaviors or urges that involve some kind of sexual activity with a prepubescent child (generally age 11 years or younger, though the diagnosis criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13) for six months or more, and that the subject has acted on these urges or suffers from distress as a result of having these feelings.

As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, is a psychiatric disorder described as exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (11 or younger).

The BSA are aged 11-18 (primarly postpubescent children).

So, child molestation would involve a minor (any age under 18).

Pedophilia involves a child under 12.

All pedophiles are child molesters, but the vast majority of child molesters are not pedophiles.

I think the perception by some that a gay troop leader is going to automatically assault your kid is totally wrong.

The issue is with campouts. With gays there will be a small percentage of them that may come on to the boys in that setting...it's happened before and it's going to creep them out. As a leader it's much harder to keep track of all that in an outdoor situation... it's not a good mix.

If you don't want to be around religious homophobic fuknards, BS may not be the place for you. Which is fine, as long as the ones that specifically exclude gays don't get special tax exempt status...

The issue is with campouts. With gays there will be a small percentage of them that may come on to the boys in that setting...it's happened before and it's going to creep them out. As a leader it's much harder to keep track of all that in an outdoor situation... it's not a good mix.

WAIT A MINUTE!

The boy scouts prohibit scout leaders from being gay.

so how has "this happened before????????"

HOW?

Document what you say, or be seen as the poser that you are......