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GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jan 31, 2013 - 01:15am PT
LDS church is largest sponsor of the Boy Scouts in the U.S.

Also the largest contributor to anti-gay marriage campaigns.

Asshole f*#ks.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jan 31, 2013 - 01:45am PT
hey there say, all...


as to anastasia's quotes:

It's a yes and no thing for me...

I think each troop should have it's own policies. Especially since many Churches run scout troops. I think a troop being forced to accept someone they naturally would not isn't a good thing either. I would hate to see a gay boy put in a place where people will try to "cure" him, not really accept him. It can become a very hostile environment, etc. which doesn't do anyone any favors. Policies do not change behavior...

Yet I think if there is a troop opened minded enough to handle such a child, it can work. Why the heck not... I just think it's important for a parent of a gay child to be careful what they ask from others, especially folks that are not willing. Forcing folks creates new levels of hostility that will not help anyone grow, evolve, etc. Now if a parent of a gay child will take it on themselves to create a troop that is good for their child, willing to go the extra mile and find other children that wouldn't mind it... Then I agree. Especially since the troop is designed for just that in the first place, isn't bending others who are not ready for such an evolution. :)


i always just think of groups and organizations, the same as this, how she mentioned... personal take, on what you want to do with folks, that enjoy doing things where you have stuff in common:

so if you don't feel part of one group, just find another, where the comaraderie is...

but then, i tend to see things in a match-match type way...

when one thing does not match what we want to do, find another match that works... and there, you fourish...

to me, it is just 'groups' where you learn stuff...
so i never thought much more on it...


now:
it if was schools, etc, or such, refusing others that have a differet
preference on what they do, as to who the person is:

that is wrong as, schools, and public things, are for all...

groups just seem to be that... seperate 'things' to help folks do
stuff they like, in a familiar or easy to 'break from the homefront'
type place...


telling folks how to change and run a group, can get
the group into a whole public function, and then folks
may as well, just go to public camps and function, etc...
or as to whatever the club is...

i reckon that some folks need these groups, more than others...

me and my kids, we just did everything public...
no one was excluded, or felt excluded then, and folks
had open learning as to how the world is full of many
various kinds of folks, race, inner-feelings, religion/non religions,
polictical, etc...


NOTE:
the only groups we ran into were perhaps the dance group
that i had at the recreation hall, but then THAT was a group
open to the public, there too...


and it was 'labled for woman', see--it was for ladies, as, many of the ladies would have been feeling unable to learn to dance, if there were men there, and it would have been
unfair to force the ladies to do that...

men, had their own classes... but woman, whether some where gay or not,
were still comfortable with seeing each other learn to dance, than seeing men--more of a 'men make fun of woman' type thing...



i can see the whole thing from any views, sure makes someone
upset though, no matter which way changes go... :(
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 01:57am PT
Growing up my brother thought "missionary style" meant butt sex, because that's the only way missionaries could have sex.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jan 31, 2013 - 01:58am PT
Good post, Neebee...always pleasant to read your sober posts in the late hours.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:18am PT
I get the feeling neebee doesn't quite understand how pervasive this "group" is in Utar and Idaho... and Jennie is beyond brainwashed. Simply joining another group doesn't always work. When I was growing up I got demerits IN SCHOOL for sh#t my dad said during a Saturday soccer match. He was the coach and he said he was "pissed off" at our lackluster performance. The demerits were ridiculous, the fact that none of the other kids would talk to me was pretty intimidating for a 6 year old.

It is no wonder I turned to a life of drugs and loose women at age 8.

Any group with a large following of blind idiots will attract morally corrupt people who can hide in the shadows amongst the idiots and take advantage of the undeserved respect the organization has garnered. Add to that repressed homosexual desires/curiosities, and you are putting innocent children at great risk. I would MUCH rather have my kids spend time with my openly gay friends than a bunch of brainwashed Morons.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:29am PT
Donald, the DSM-5 is zeroing in on defining Border Collie Personality Disorder. It may prove beneficial.

Credit: G. Orwell



Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:39am PT
I get the feeling neebee doesn't quite understand how pervasive this "group" is in Utar and Idaho... and Jennie is beyond brainwashed.


Whatever you say, Wes...

Perhaps you should write a book delineating your tortured existence and who’s to blame. This is difficult to say without feeling harsh and judgmental, but here goes--self-pity is an extreme form of egocentrism, and usually a result of a very selfish perspective of the world. People who regularly engage in self-pity are miserable, and they tend to make others quite unhappy, too.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:43am PT
Self-pity? I pity you and the rest of the sheeple who follow that crazy magic underwear, inherit your own universe bullsh#t. Yeah, it sucked being an outcast from day 1, having the Moron guidance counselor tell me I didn't qualify for scholarships (despite my 3.9, perfect attendance, and maxing out every honors class the high school had to offer), and being turned down for jobs because I answered the "what do you plan on doing after high school" question with "college" rather than "go on a mission." But whatever, I worked for what I have and I'm not tied down to a fat bitch and 8 kids.

I was never personally molested, but I have 5 good friends who were sexually abused by "trusted" religitards... including a scout master and a bishop.

Scratch that, I don't pity you... I pity your children.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:48am PT
hey there, say, jennie... thanks... i of course used anastasia, as the spring board, as it seemed similar to what i had 'thought' all these years..


say, as to wes (oops, this is an edit: got myself seeing
dermatitis, instead of demerits--i reckon i NEED a demerit now
for not reading closer as to my brain-issues):

THIS is what i had said, before corrected:

oh my, well, dermatitis issue is not the same thing...
any 'memeber of any group' could be sick,or have skin issues, or any such thing,and you have a point there--GOOD parenting, or such, or even 'general health issues' in boy's or sport's groups, sure did not
seem to have surfaced back then, :(

EDIT:
not meaning your dad, of course, meaning that good parnts should help teach kids that dermatitis issues are just that, and not to tease or fear it...

thanks for sharing...

note:
yeah, too, really do not know the 'business, big bucks' etc aspect of the
larger statewide type groups...

but i still think of the same thoughts as i mentioned in the other post..


hard stuff, though, i know,as to the whole thing...


edit again:
wow, wes... unfair demerits, bad call, :O

:(
another way that school can go wrong, :(
if no one helps...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:51am PT
demerits, not dermatitis... I got in trouble AT SCHOOL for my dad "cursing" at a completely unrelated event.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:51am PT
crazy magic underwear, inherit your own universe bullsh#t.

…it’s difficult to take misinformed cranks seriously. The LDS church never represented temple garments as “magic”…and “inheriting your own universe or planet” was never church doctrine.

But, obviously, without these prevarications... you would manufacture others…
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:58am PT
So, you are claiming the writings of Joseph Smith do not qualify as Moron doctrine? Of course... that makes perfect sense... behold the power of the "revelation" clause!






The Father has promised us that through our faithfulness we shall be blessed with the fulness of his kingdom. In other words we will have the privilege of becoming like him. To become like him we must have all the powers of godhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one we are on and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fulness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring. We will have an endless eternity for this.

Don't get me wrong, I know people who entertain even wilder fantasies... with magical rings and sh#t... but then, they don't get tax exempt status and molest little kids under the guise of a wholesome religious organization.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:04am PT
The “inherit your own planet/ unuiverse” tenet came from Orson Pratt, an astronomy lecturer...not Joseph Smith It was never accepted as church doctrine. A few liked the idea…most members ignored it. Brigham young called Pratt “an infidel at heart” and recommended his book be destroyed.

Your quote is from Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation...not Joseph Smith and was never canonized as doctrine by church councils.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:09am PT
Jennie, you are an idiot. You put planet in quotes in an underhanded way to blame me for your religion's ridiculous bullsh#t. I never ONCE said Morons believe they inherit their own planets.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:12am PT
Planets, solar systems, galaxies or universes...there is no LDS doctrine or canon that promises any of these systems or structures, Wes...
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:15am PT
hey there, say, wes.... lol, ohhhhhh my.... i NEED a demerit for that one, :O


i have 'mix up' troubles, with words, so i have to be very careful and retype a lot..

so, if see a word, that my 'brain' thinks it is... whewwwwwwww, it jumps the ol' track to fast...


most always i am very careful, but i sure missed the ol' target here, :O


will leave it, but with an 'edit' that i have now 'been corrected' and am
not posting 'fly by night stories' gone haywire, :)


thanks.... :)

say, one demerit for me, erased, now, i hope, :)
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:19am PT
Jennie, there is no official Moron canon that says bishops can molest little kids, but an alarming number of them still believe they can. I don't give a flying fuk what you idiots, sorry your leaders, decide to canonize. It is all a load of horse sh#t and does more harm than good.

Go ahead and believe that crap, I don't care, but don't allow the sick fuks that hide behind the veil to get a free pass just because they believe the same bullsh#t.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:21am PT
Oh, now you're going to play the "Bishop molesting children" card.

I see.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:22am PT
And you are going to pretend it didn't/doesn't happen... no bishop could ever do that... good sheep, your flock is proud...

which is exactly the problem.


Have you ever had a serious conversation with someone, a close friend or family member, who had been molested by a trusted religious leader... a pillar of the community? Do you have any idea what it is like for that individual, that KID, when the entire community takes the side of the sex offender, just because he shares the same absurd beliefs and occupies a position of authority within a delusional group of idiots?
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:26am PT
And you are going to pretend it didn't happen

What didn't happen? Your unamed friend who you claim was molested?
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