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Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:18am PT
once again it will be "Morning in America!"
l

LOL

One man's dream is another man's nightmare.
The scene depicted is a nightmare which will conclude when the baby boomer left starts to die off - just like the respective values and peculiar era -driven mentalities of other past generations.
This too shall pass.
Much sooner than you think.

From where I sit liberal culture is lacking any real depth and endurance- having been based on the political obsessions of the recent past, and upon ever -wavering pop sensibilities.
A new set of political realities will emerge which will make the current political regime looked instantly dated.
The time will come in the US when people will ask themselves: "What were we thinking...we were making winners into losers and losers into winners"

Still ignoring my tribute Donald?

What the hell are you talking about?
I always ignore things that make no impression on me.


climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:23am PT
Still ignoring my tribute Donald?
Rolfr

Social climber
North Vancouver BC
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:24am PT
Bruce, what a great clip. One of my all time favorite movies! "The Producers"
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:26am PT
This too shall pass.
Much sooner than you think.

Really? Do you have children Donald?
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:28am PT
Dogs are gay, ergo dudes are gay. Really? Even accepting the premise, which is extremely dubious, that's the argument you're making?

Seriously. I'm trying to understand your argument. It sounds a lot like this:

Dogs are (more or less) gay.
Humans are like dogs.
Therefore, humans are gay.

Is that what you're saying? That's idiotic.
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:30am PT
Really? Do you have children Donald?
You don't get to ask personal questions.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:30am PT
Donald you ignore Christ.

Which apparently made no impression on you.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:31am PT
ouch. Well anyway I bet if you did they would be queer as a three dollar bill.

Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:33am PT
Donald you ignore Christ.

Which apparently made no impression on you.

I am an agnostic.
Jesus Christ is one of the last figures in history I would choose to ignore.

Make your point or leave it to beaver
toadgas

Social climber
los angeles
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:33am PT
we used to have a spayed dog--female, of course--who would do the "hump" thing on our legs

what the hell would you call that dog's sexual orientation?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:37am PT
I am an agnostic.
Jesus Christ is one of the last figures in history I would choose to ignore.

Not only do you play the part of an idiot.

You are a Liar about stupid shit
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:37am PT
But did he ever try to marry your leg?
Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:39am PT
ouch. Well anyway I bet if you did they would be queer as a three dollar bill.

You are an unworthy opponent. Just one step above the climb ski guy.
Take some writing , history, and philosophy courses and check back with me.

Learn that you cannot win an argument or make a valid point by re- directing the argument in a transparently ad hominem way at your opponent. It indicates a loser in the act of losing.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:40am PT
MS55401

Your the one who said

eing gay happens but that does not mean being gay is normal from a biological scientific standpoint. It is unnatural

Point 1. normal from a biologic stand point. ergo my reply DOGS

Point 2 It is unnatural... WTH does that mean? The only things that are unnatural are thing that have never happened in the history of the universe.. ie .. nature
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:40am PT
I think having openly gay members would be a huge improvement over the rampant repressed homosexuality they currently foster. But the BSA sucks, regardless.

Same could be said of ST...
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:41am PT
Or maybe its you thats queer as a three dollar bill????????

Really donald -its never too late for therapy
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:42am PT
ahhh sh#t.. that was Q-Ball who said that.. ahh well
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 31, 2013 - 01:08am PT
Donald - I really wanted to prove to you that at least a few of us Canadians are properly aligned with principles of authoritarianism. Look at this. Our own BC Civil Liberties Association (thats like the ACLU or the Black Panthers or something to you) is so egalitarian it feels even our bigots need the freedom to practice their time honored values without harassment from pesky lawyers and so on.




BY DOUGLAS TODD, VANCOUVER SUN JANUARY 30, 2013 7:51 PM


The B.C. Civil Liberties Association is backing the right of a Christian university to create a law school while continuing to discriminate against gays and lesbians.

The president of the BCCLA has issued a strongly worded, six-page letter denouncing the Canadian Council of Law Deans for opposing Trinity Western University’s bid to open the country’s first private law school.

BCCLA president Lindsay Lyster accused the deans of the country’s secular law schools of wanting to “monopolize” legal education and keep “religiously-minded” people from becoming law students and lawyers.

However, a spokesman for Canada’s law deans responded that B.C.’s civil liberties association has “misunderstood” their goal.

Bill Flanagan, president of the CCLD, said in an interview Wednesday his organization is simply urging the evangelical Protestant university to stop banning homosexual relationships among students or faculty.

The highest-quality private Christian law schools in the United States, such as those at Fordham and Pepperdine universities, would “not in a thousand years discriminate against students and faculty on the basis of their sexual orientation,” Flanagan said.

“It’s just not true that we’re opposing a Christian law school. Our challenge to Trinity Western University is to reflect on whether it needs to discriminate against gays and lesbians in order to keep its religious nature.”

The CCLD distributed a letter in the fall that challenged TWU’s Bible-based “community covenant,” which the council says makes clear that “gay, lesbian or bisexual students may be subject to disciplinary measures including expulsion.”

In his letter to the Federation of Canadian Law Societies, which helps decide whether to approve new law schools, Flanagan wrote: “This is a matter of great concern for all members … Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation … fundamentally at odds with the core values of all Canadian law schools.”

The BCCLA president, however, accused the council of law deans of operating on the premise “that those who are religiously minded should be excluded from all legal education. That would, by extension, include all professors, students and eventually lawyers and judges who held to the religious views the CCLD says are repugnant.”

Even though the BCCLA has stood up for the rights of homosexuals in many cases, Lyster wrote that, in the case of TWU, it’s instead emphasizing the principle of religious freedom.

Lyster cited TWU’s earlier legal dispute with the B.C. College of Teachers, in which the Supreme Court of Canada ruled in 2001 that a religious school can exempt itself from human rights legislation forbidding discrimination against homosexuals.

Despite TWU’s ban on homosexual relationships and sex outside marriage, Lyster also defended the evangelical school’s approach to academic freedom — saying secular universities often impose restrictions on free thought, including in regards to religious perspectives.

For his part, Flanagan confirmed he is committed to the values of freedom of religion and respect for diversity. He added that his own law school, at Queen’s University, has admitted graduates from Trinity Western University.

The controversy over TWU’s proposed law school comes at the same time that the Christian university’s faculty — who are the lowest-paid among all of Canada’s 58 universities — is in conflict with the administration over a drive to start a union.

TWU philosophy professor Myron Penner, one of the pro-union faculty, said a law school could be “a very good thing” for the Langley university as long as administrators ensured it did not add to the school’s already “substantial debt.”

TWU faculty’s application to join the Christian Labour Association of Canada goes before the B.C. Labour Relations Board in mid-February.

dtodd@vancouversun.com


Note that the TWU's teachers even have the good grace to chose a good christian labor uh, "association" rather than some damn commie union.

See? we're really not all Marxist.

GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jan 31, 2013 - 01:15am PT
LDS church is largest sponsor of the Boy Scouts in the U.S.

Also the largest contributor to anti-gay marriage campaigns.

Asshole f*#ks.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Jan 31, 2013 - 01:45am PT
hey there say, all...


as to anastasia's quotes:

It's a yes and no thing for me...

I think each troop should have it's own policies. Especially since many Churches run scout troops. I think a troop being forced to accept someone they naturally would not isn't a good thing either. I would hate to see a gay boy put in a place where people will try to "cure" him, not really accept him. It can become a very hostile environment, etc. which doesn't do anyone any favors. Policies do not change behavior...

Yet I think if there is a troop opened minded enough to handle such a child, it can work. Why the heck not... I just think it's important for a parent of a gay child to be careful what they ask from others, especially folks that are not willing. Forcing folks creates new levels of hostility that will not help anyone grow, evolve, etc. Now if a parent of a gay child will take it on themselves to create a troop that is good for their child, willing to go the extra mile and find other children that wouldn't mind it... Then I agree. Especially since the troop is designed for just that in the first place, isn't bending others who are not ready for such an evolution. :)


i always just think of groups and organizations, the same as this, how she mentioned... personal take, on what you want to do with folks, that enjoy doing things where you have stuff in common:

so if you don't feel part of one group, just find another, where the comaraderie is...

but then, i tend to see things in a match-match type way...

when one thing does not match what we want to do, find another match that works... and there, you fourish...

to me, it is just 'groups' where you learn stuff...
so i never thought much more on it...


now:
it if was schools, etc, or such, refusing others that have a differet
preference on what they do, as to who the person is:

that is wrong as, schools, and public things, are for all...

groups just seem to be that... seperate 'things' to help folks do
stuff they like, in a familiar or easy to 'break from the homefront'
type place...


telling folks how to change and run a group, can get
the group into a whole public function, and then folks
may as well, just go to public camps and function, etc...
or as to whatever the club is...

i reckon that some folks need these groups, more than others...

me and my kids, we just did everything public...
no one was excluded, or felt excluded then, and folks
had open learning as to how the world is full of many
various kinds of folks, race, inner-feelings, religion/non religions,
polictical, etc...


NOTE:
the only groups we ran into were perhaps the dance group
that i had at the recreation hall, but then THAT was a group
open to the public, there too...


and it was 'labled for woman', see--it was for ladies, as, many of the ladies would have been feeling unable to learn to dance, if there were men there, and it would have been
unfair to force the ladies to do that...

men, had their own classes... but woman, whether some where gay or not,
were still comfortable with seeing each other learn to dance, than seeing men--more of a 'men make fun of woman' type thing...



i can see the whole thing from any views, sure makes someone
upset though, no matter which way changes go... :(
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