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Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Feb 3, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
Those who molest boy are NOT homosexuals, they are pedophiles. Different breed of human. In fact, virtually all molesters of boys lead a heterosexual lifestyle.


Most child molesters don't really have any adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children boys, girls, or children of both sexes.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
Jennie, in case you missed it...

Those who molest boy are NOT homosexuals, they are pedophiles.

Offenders are classified as fixated or regressed. What do you think might lead to those psychological disorders?

BYU honor code: "Homosexual behavior is inappropriate and violates the Honor Code. Homosexual behavior includes not only sexual relations between members of the same sex, but all forms of physical intimacy that give expression to homosexual feelings."

During the 70s, the psychology department at Brigham Young University experimented with electroshock aversion therapy in an attempt to cure homesexuality. Patients who went through BYU's program were shown erotic pictures of people of the same sex. When the counselors monitoring the patient sensed he or she was getting aroused, an electrical shock would be delivered to the patient.

http://suite101.com/article/byu-electroshock-aversion-therapy-a33025

But, hey, yeah, BYU "accepts" people of all sexual orientation... wouldn't want to miss out on that 10% or get any discrimination lawsuits filed against them...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 06:09pm PT
Jennie, since you live deep within your own little hole of denial regarding the actions of your religious leaders...

Twice a week for six months, he jolted himself with painful shocks to the penis to rid himself of his attraction to men.

"As teens we were taught that homosexuality was second only to murder in the eyes of God," he said.

Oh, right, that isn't "official" LSD doctrine... so it doesn't count... never happened... just turn the other cheek...
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Feb 3, 2013 - 06:21pm PT
I said nothing about your link, Wes...

But you're quite nebulous about what is church DOCTRINE

Because a Mormon psychologist opts to experiment with behavior modification on volunteers...doesn't validate any of his opinions as church doctrine...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 06:35pm PT
A Moron psychologist... at BYU... THE Moron university that has such tight control over their sheeple that they will expel you for having sideburns... opts to SHOCK PARTICIPANTS' PENISES TO PUNISH THEM FOR HOMOSEXUAL AROUSAL... does not make it official church doctrine... it simply makes the Moron leadership and the stupid sheeple who follow ignorant fuknards.

d'Nile
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Feb 3, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
BYU did not pioneer the use of aversion therapy as a treatment for homosexuality and it ceased use of the therapy decades before the American Psychological Association stopped recommending the practice. BYU was one of many places where research in this area was done.

One of the alleged participants in this sensationalized ABC story admitted he was never part of the aversion therapy study at BYU.


http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_gender_issues/Same-sex_attraction/Aversion_therapy_performed_at_BYU
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 3, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
I thought the guy was shocking only his own penis

and it was not church doctrine

hard to believe the Mormon church would advocate penis shocking
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
OMG, you are right. That must mean my 5 friends who were sexual abused by trusted religious leaders were lying. I understand now, the BYU penis shocking was just a phase... they grew out of it... besides, everyone was doing it. Everyone, as in a few other religious fukheads.


The Moron church "advocates" a lot of crazy sh#t that is not official church doctrine for obvious tax exemption and public perception reasons.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Feb 3, 2013 - 06:52pm PT
Those who molest boy are NOT homosexuals, they are pedophiles.

I thought they were called "priests," not pedophiles.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 3, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
Wes,

I thought ONE GUY said he shocked his dick to supposedly stop them homo thoughts.

How did this get to more than one guy, who else was doing this?

and when did this ever become any kind of church "doctrine"?
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Feb 3, 2013 - 06:56pm PT
hard to believe the Mormon church would advocate penis shocking

The LDS church didn't advocate this, Norton. The link I offered might confer a little more clarity to the study and its context in aversion therapy experiments common in that era, and carried out by many research institutions.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 3, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
Yes, Jennie's link should clarify everything...

"Defending Mormonism..."

Anyway, point is, the Moron church is a very accepting organization that in no way aims to suppress the desires of its homosexual members... producing nothing but wholesome men with no repressed sexual desires that may manifest in the Moron dominated BSA.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/boy-scouts-release-perversion-files-article-1.1186343
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Feb 4, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
Anyway, point is, the Moron church is a very accepting organization that in no way aims to suppress the desires of its homosexual members... producing nothing but wholesome men with no repressed sexual desires that may manifest in the Moron dominated BSA.



The LDS Church doesn't dominate the Boy Scouts of America.

Boy Scout total membership is 3,770,907 of which 420,977 are sposored by the LDS which figues at 11% of the total BSA membership.

The LDS Church is the largest individual sponsor...but there are many other sponsors; churches, civic and citizen groups, PTA, private schools etc.

The LDS sponsor 7% of the Boy Scouts in Canada.
Port

Trad climber
San Diego
Feb 4, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
Jennie, I have no idea who you are but it's clear that whenever the words "Mormon" appear on ST, you always contribute.

Nationally, Mormons do not dominate the BSA. BUT, if you are live in California (especially Sacramento) or Utah or Arizona the Mormon Church heavily dominates.

There is NO way you can argue that the Mormon church doesn't heavily influence BSA policy. Impossible.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Feb 4, 2013 - 01:13pm PT
I didn't claim the LDS have no influence. I said they don't dominate... in answer to Wes' suggestion



Nationally, Mormons do not dominate the BSA. BUT, if you are live in California (especially Sacramento) or Utah or Arizona the Mormon Church heavily dominates.

There is NO way you can argue that the Mormon church doesn't heavily influence BSA policy. Impossible.


The LDS population in California is less than 2%, Port. In Sacremento it's 3%. The Roman Catholic population outnumbers the LDS by more than five times in that city.

Perhaps you can educate me on how, with those small percentiles relative to the other Christian faiths who charter Boy Scout troops...not to mention units sponsored by civiuc and school groups...how the LDS have come to dominate the BSA in the Sacremento area.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 4, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
usually with aggressively suppressed homosexual desires/curiosities, otherwise the victimization of little girls by trusted religious officials would be equally prevalent.


Unfortunately, research does not bear you out. When actual pedophiles have been tested, they are not aroused by males....or females. They are aroused by CHILDREN.

And virtually all of them live a heterosexual lifestyle.

So you are in the group that is for going after the people who have nothing to do with the problem.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
Next thing you know we'll let gays in the military!!! Oh wait...

On a serious note, the problem isn't gay scouts, but gay scout leaders. It's a recipe for abuse and pedophilia.

I don't trust most straight men with my kid on a camping trip. You want me to send him camping with a gay scout leader? Call me a homophobe, or whatever. It's common f*#king sense.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 4, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
Gay scoutmasters are not the problem either. Criminally minded predators are the problem.

Everyone has their sexual preferences. Does not make everyone a criminal. Except in some religious states.

The main thing that anyone who takes care of other peoples children should be careful about is avoiding being alone with a child if it can be helped. This protects The adults and the children. Has nothing to do with intentions it has to do with avoiding any appearance of any possible impropriety. It is smart policy even if it does cause some sadly necessary inconveniences.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
Gay scoutmasters are not the problem either. Criminally minded predators are the problem.


No, not all of them. But that's why they have the rules. To eliminate the possibility.

More Air

Trad climber
S.L.C.
Feb 4, 2013 - 07:14pm PT
"No, not all of them. But that's why they have the rules. To eliminate the possibility."

True...

To become an Eagle Scout, you must have at least 20 nights of camping. Kids are harder to watch on campouts, lots of things can happen...they're in their tents, or off on their own. That's why it's more complicated to have gay scouts or leaders. I think the BSA's current policy is similar to the same reason girl scouts don't join the boys on these campouts.
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