18 murdered, dumped in portrero chico; climbers are fleeing

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Manny

Social climber
tempe
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:00pm PT
When you put it that way Ron, the cartels are here. Why bother heading south of the border? We are already fighting the battle you espoused earlier, just not south of the border.

Immigration is another thing. It deserves its own thread. I wish you luck in Reno. Arizona is no longer the quiet paradise it once was. People from the Mid-west ruined it...
Manny

Social climber
tempe
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
Just kidding. I love my Michigan friends, I have a couple but seldom talk to them or see them.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:02pm PT
No, jghedge.

Your bigotry is the same as all other bigotry. Dividing people by groups, and then saddling the whole group with the reputation ( either real or imagined ) earned by the very worst individual in that group.

You can't see that though, because it's a rare bigot who's aware of his own irrational prejudices.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
Manny, my grandma is buried in Prescott (the OLD cemetary), and one of my brothers is in Tuscon. I was down there last Novemeber, and south of there hunting. I was surprised at the amount of LEO activities we witnessed. It was interesting...(have a cousin in the border patrol as well)
Handjam Belay

Gym climber
expat from the truth
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:05pm PT
Well kidnapping and murdering aside at least we now know there is a known Cartel bar/hangout within a stone's throw from where we all camp.

Nothing to worry about with that. Right?
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
Jghedge,

You can't tell me you don't see the irony in what you posted. Two way street dude, you are an integral part of the problem.
steveA

Trad climber
bedford,massachusetts
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
My daughter, who is climbing down there, and probably partying tonight with a crew of 20; including Alex Honnold, just sent me this:

She is just trying to chill me out after hearing of the killings, but this is an interesting perspective.

http://www.lonelyplanet.com/blog/2012/04/30/are-americans-safer-in-mexico-than-at-home/
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
Calling racists dumb is so bigoted!
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
Wow that 's funny. Ron is racist, but somehow Manny wants to still engage him in a friendly way. Whats' going on Manny don't you see the racist that Ron really is? Or do you like conversing with racists?
Hmm? Either that, or perhaps Manny is just smart enough to know what a real racist acts like.
Sorry, don't mean to get you involved Manny. I just find it funny that all these "white" people are calling Ron racist yet you obviously don't see him to be that way and engage him still in a friendly manner. Perhaps you just accept everyone for who they are.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
how many minorities are there in mexico? vietnamese? indians? egyptians?


none.

the ones that went down there are all dead

First interesting thing said here in a while. Is there any evidence for this?

dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
You obviously missed this comment from Manny than.

"I was born in Arizona almost 60 years ago. It wasn't difficult to know your place then. I remember a lot of things changing, racially, that were difficult for all."

This was after I asked him about the racism he had to deal with and where he was from.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
Just to be clear Jhedge you are saying or ipmlying all conservatives are racist and have a low IQ?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:20pm PT
interesting take upthread DirtClaud.. I was thinking the exact same thing..
steveA

Trad climber
bedford,massachusetts
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
My daughter just sent me this from Mexico. She is making an attempt to calm me down, since I was worried after hearing of the murders.

In fact, she is cooking a meal, with 20 others, for a party tonight; including Alex Honnold, who just arrived.

She has been hanging out today, with a cold, and found this on the web:

http://www.lonelyplanet.com/blog/2012/04/30/are-americans-safer-in-mexico-than-at-home/
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
Well kidnapping and murdering aside at least we now know there is a known Cartel bar/hangout within a stone's throw from where we all camp. Nothing to worry about with that. Right?

I wouldn't. If you don't bother them, I doubt they would bother you. That's how Colombia is anyway. You're not very interesting compared to the multimillion dollar drug deal they're thinking about. Or their enemies they're fighting against. Although, if you look too dorky with a buzz cut, mirrored shades bizarre paranoid behavior, they might think you're DEA and that would be different. I sure hope zBrown can get to the bottom of what happened to all those Vietnamese tourists who disappeared down there.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
Are Americans safer in Mexico than at home? Please, what a load. At least
here 99.9% of the cops are honest and well-meaning. Mexicans often don't
even call the man because they don't trust him. I've had a number of
friends who have been shaken down by the fuzz por una mordita. One climber
rented a car at the airport to drive to Orizaba and got shaken down twice
before he could get out of Mexico City.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
I read that Steve.. But my buddy who has a 99 year lease on some beachfront wont go down anymore- says there are too many new faces and gangs that scare him silly. And hes been going down in the motor home for the winters for 20 or more years..
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
^^^ Well I'm not gonna work on it, but I might spend some time on the ethnic cmposition of Mexico. I somehow feel that there is not a giant wave of immigrants descending upon Chiapas.

EDIT:

I have never been to portrero chico and am not anticipating a trip nearfuturewise, so I poked around a little and did find some photographic evidence of Vietnamese tourists, alive no less.



pat (below), but the question I think is, do they stay?
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
In a way there is. A lot of immigrants from other countries pass through Chiapas on their way to the US, Ironically the Mexicans don't treat them very well.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:33pm PT
//http://www.lonelyplanet.com/blog/2012/04/30/are-americans-safer-in-mexico-than-at-home///

The above article is truly skewed. Think if yourself as a climber: probably white, probably upper middle to upper class. This fits into the category of an American likely to get killed in America? No, you aren't. It is poor, non-white people competing for limited resources that get killed.

So you travel to PC, you are now not protected like you are in the US. You don't live in the suburbs, with police that would respond in a second to a white person getting accosted in any way.

It doesn't matter how many cops are in PC or anywhere in Mexico before or after murders. They are all ready and willing to be paid off or look the other way at any given time, and they will turn on you in a second to take your money. Later, no one saw or heard a thing. Been there, done it myself.

This isn't a rant against Mexicans or Mexican people. I feel sorry for people having to live in what is, in effect, anarchy.

If you 'feel safe' in Mexico, great, go for it. 'You are more likely to drive in a car crash' probably a better analogy. As thing get worse, no one will go to Mexico. Law and order are non-existent by US or first-world standards.
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