18 murdered, dumped in portrero chico; climbers are fleeing

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pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
Not arguing for or against Mono, just pointing out some facts and inconsistencies. I am not a gun person, I just think the debate has very little to do with the cause of the gun violence which shows insincerity on our parts as Americans.

^^^
They have been applied, vast majority of ordinary Mexicans don't own guns. Cartels do which they acquired illegally.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 1, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
Mexico is in the midst of a full blown narco insurgancy. you simply can not compare the US violent crime and ramdom mass shootings to a civil war.. Different game entirly.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
And if we enacted the same level of gun control here in the US as in Mexico we would be able to enforce them? Really? Does this not show that despite gun control laws people wind up with guns anyway? Deadly ones? What makes the US more able to deal with it? Is not the war of the Federales against the cartels partly a war to control them and disarm them?

Where is the discussion on mental health? Where is the discussion on non-violence? Where is the discussion on responsible parenting? Its drowned out because those things aren't contentious enough get politicians elected and require sincere change that has to come from ourselves. The gun control debate is a ruse, it will accomplish nothing to prevent these shootings just as it did nothing to prevent violence in Mexico.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Feb 1, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
Driving back to Copper Canyon in two weeks, can't wait. Chicken sh#t Americans, more guns than they know what to do with and are still afraid of their own shadow.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 07:11pm PT
That's exactly what I am saying Coz, though I disagree with your assessment of the violence in Mexico. I think there is something to be learned in Mexico.
S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Feb 1, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
Heading to DF in May. I've made probably 20 trips all over Mexico.
No problems yet...
S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Feb 1, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
pick out the gringo

Credit: S.Leeper
ruppell

climber
Feb 1, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
pick out the gringo

That guy on the cross in the background?

Do I win a prize?
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Feb 1, 2013 - 07:30pm PT
the One on the cross does not look Hispanic.

whoops


but He doesn't look gringo either
S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Feb 1, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
ok there were 2 gringos in the picture.

just a few of the mexicans i love:

Credit: S.Leeper
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
Hah^ good one.

I guess if you are Mormon he would be a gringo. I think I am partly a little jealous of everyone living it up and climbing long routes in Potrero. Back to work.
stilltrying

Trad climber
washington indiana
Feb 1, 2013 - 07:46pm PT
Always disappointed to see how threads become so personal. I have only climbed in PC twice. Once on my 56th bday and again on my 58th bday. Great place and fun. On the 2nd trip while waiting for Magic Ed to pick us up two military looking vehicles with about a dozen people in each, fully dressed in ninja type clothes (faces covered) and obviously loaded for Bear with weapons passed thru the Airport in Monterrey. Ed said like 50 SUV/Big Truck type vehicles had been jacked in recent weeks. Also said Drug type activity had increased in the Monterrey area. Folks at the airport were not very friendly and I got hassled big time at the airport over carabiners and small climbing gear in a small pack (no problem coming in), Searched 3 times. The people in charge spoke no English (or did not want to) and were rude to say the least. So trip #1 - not much sign of trouble, trip #2 drugs issues and cartel activity getting a little closer but no worries as it is Monterry and now apparently activity in Hildago. Guess I.m stupid, racist or something but seems like a pattern to me. Comparing people who torture, decapitate, multilate, etc. for personal gain or revenge to a sick boy and a sadly mistaken Mother to them is very bad logic. True there is danger everywhere, East St. Louis, Harlem, L.A. etc. etc. I avoid those just like I will avoid PC now. Going where there are folks who don't want you is ill advised. Really sad all these comments about us white folks. We have a lot of Hispanics here in my little town in Southern Indiana, probably a lot of them illegal,we are nice to them, some of my family teaches the young kids, speakes highly of their hard working parents and how neat the kids are. Makes her job challenging as most of the parents only speak Spanish. But we spend our resources and do what is necessary. My son adopted an African American child at birth ( is that still an acceptable term) and he is the light of our lives. Seems to me us white folks (most of us) are doing just fine in the treatment of other ethnic groups. So I just keep my fingers crossed that things don't decide to jump 2 more miles down the road. I would imagine that these vicious killers won't take race into consideration - only color that matters to them is green.
ruppell

climber
Feb 1, 2013 - 07:56pm PT
stilltrying

I won't bother to tell you that you seem like a bit of a hypocrite. You start off with saying:

Always disappointed to see how threads become so personal.

Then you launch into that rambling post? Learn sentence structure, will you? Don't take it personally though.
stilltrying

Trad climber
washington indiana
Feb 1, 2013 - 08:04pm PT
Man Ruppell, what are you a combo Dr. Phil and English teacher, I am impressed. Anyway, the point was it seems a bit risky to go to PC right now and white folks are no more racist than others, Short enough ?
ruppell

climber
Feb 1, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
stillyoung

I'm neither. lol It's was just hard to read.

I've spent more time in Potrero than most here I can assure you. I haven't been down there in a few years but it has nothing to do with the current situation there. I'd go down this month in a heartbeat if I could find the money to do it with. So, for me at least, that risk would be worth the reward. As far as racism goes, it exists everywhere. It sucks, for sure, and if you can figure out a way to stop it post up. lol
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Feb 1, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
+ 1 for Manny
ruppell

climber
Feb 1, 2013 - 08:51pm PT
Me too, plenty of money but just no time. Temps are probably perfect right now!!

So I've heard. lol Thanks for Thunderkiss man. One of the best, most underdone lines in the Potrero. If we ever meet up you have to tell me about Love Removal Machine as well. Actually, I have the time, wanna float me a loan. lol
ruppell

climber
Feb 1, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
Nice. It had a few more bolts when I did it for the first time. Seems bolts are popping up down there pretty often. I heard that Jeff gave the OK to add them so it's all good if that's true. Steel Pulse grew 6 more bolts a few years ago. Makes access to the Bronco Bowl a little less heady. lol You realize we're about to turn this into a climbing thread. Keep it up.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Feb 2, 2013 - 12:22am PT
Well just to keep some sense of proportion


According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) 32,885 people died in traffic crashes in 2010 in the United States (latest figures available), including an estimated 10,228 people who died in drunk driving crashes, accounting for 31% of all traffic deaths last year.

If you're going to San Francisco, be sure to take the train.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:26am PT
People have been mentioning Sandy.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-04-09/world/35262019_1_drug-violence-mexican-drug-cartels-ciudad-juarez

"In 2009, the last year for which there is data, 1,180 children were killed, half in shootings.

Recent, sensational killings of children shot in a car seat, dumped in a field with a bullet in the head, killed as their grandmothers cradled them have shocked Mexicans and shaken their faith that family is sacred, even to the criminal gangs."

Just because you didn't see it on your visit to Mexico doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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