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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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ok there were 2 gringos in the picture.
just a few of the mexicans i love:
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pat
Trad climber
estes park
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Hah^ good one.
I guess if you are Mormon he would be a gringo. I think I am partly a little jealous of everyone living it up and climbing long routes in Potrero. Back to work.
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stilltrying
Trad climber
washington indiana
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Always disappointed to see how threads become so personal. I have only climbed in PC twice. Once on my 56th bday and again on my 58th bday. Great place and fun. On the 2nd trip while waiting for Magic Ed to pick us up two military looking vehicles with about a dozen people in each, fully dressed in ninja type clothes (faces covered) and obviously loaded for Bear with weapons passed thru the Airport in Monterrey. Ed said like 50 SUV/Big Truck type vehicles had been jacked in recent weeks. Also said Drug type activity had increased in the Monterrey area. Folks at the airport were not very friendly and I got hassled big time at the airport over carabiners and small climbing gear in a small pack (no problem coming in), Searched 3 times. The people in charge spoke no English (or did not want to) and were rude to say the least. So trip #1 - not much sign of trouble, trip #2 drugs issues and cartel activity getting a little closer but no worries as it is Monterry and now apparently activity in Hildago. Guess I.m stupid, racist or something but seems like a pattern to me. Comparing people who torture, decapitate, multilate, etc. for personal gain or revenge to a sick boy and a sadly mistaken Mother to them is very bad logic. True there is danger everywhere, East St. Louis, Harlem, L.A. etc. etc. I avoid those just like I will avoid PC now. Going where there are folks who don't want you is ill advised. Really sad all these comments about us white folks. We have a lot of Hispanics here in my little town in Southern Indiana, probably a lot of them illegal,we are nice to them, some of my family teaches the young kids, speakes highly of their hard working parents and how neat the kids are. Makes her job challenging as most of the parents only speak Spanish. But we spend our resources and do what is necessary. My son adopted an African American child at birth ( is that still an acceptable term) and he is the light of our lives. Seems to me us white folks (most of us) are doing just fine in the treatment of other ethnic groups. So I just keep my fingers crossed that things don't decide to jump 2 more miles down the road. I would imagine that these vicious killers won't take race into consideration - only color that matters to them is green.
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ruppell
climber
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stilltrying
I won't bother to tell you that you seem like a bit of a hypocrite. You start off with saying:
Always disappointed to see how threads become so personal.
Then you launch into that rambling post? Learn sentence structure, will you? Don't take it personally though.
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stilltrying
Trad climber
washington indiana
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Man Ruppell, what are you a combo Dr. Phil and English teacher, I am impressed. Anyway, the point was it seems a bit risky to go to PC right now and white folks are no more racist than others, Short enough ?
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ruppell
climber
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stillyoung
I'm neither. lol It's was just hard to read.
I've spent more time in Potrero than most here I can assure you. I haven't been down there in a few years but it has nothing to do with the current situation there. I'd go down this month in a heartbeat if I could find the money to do it with. So, for me at least, that risk would be worth the reward. As far as racism goes, it exists everywhere. It sucks, for sure, and if you can figure out a way to stop it post up. lol
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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+ 1 for Manny
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ruppell
climber
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Me too, plenty of money but just no time. Temps are probably perfect right now!!
So I've heard. lol Thanks for Thunderkiss man. One of the best, most underdone lines in the Potrero. If we ever meet up you have to tell me about Love Removal Machine as well. Actually, I have the time, wanna float me a loan. lol
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ruppell
climber
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Nice. It had a few more bolts when I did it for the first time. Seems bolts are popping up down there pretty often. I heard that Jeff gave the OK to add them so it's all good if that's true. Steel Pulse grew 6 more bolts a few years ago. Makes access to the Bronco Bowl a little less heady. lol You realize we're about to turn this into a climbing thread. Keep it up.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Well just to keep some sense of proportion
According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) 32,885 people died in traffic crashes in 2010 in the United States (latest figures available), including an estimated 10,228 people who died in drunk driving crashes, accounting for 31% of all traffic deaths last year.
If you're going to San Francisco, be sure to take the train.
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pat
Trad climber
estes park
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People have been mentioning Sandy.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-04-09/world/35262019_1_drug-violence-mexican-drug-cartels-ciudad-juarez
"In 2009, the last year for which there is data, 1,180 children were killed, half in shootings.
Recent, sensational killings of children — shot in a car seat, dumped in a field with a bullet in the head, killed as their grandmothers cradled them — have shocked Mexicans and shaken their faith that family is sacred, even to the criminal gangs."
Just because you didn't see it on your visit to Mexico doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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ruppell
climber
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Stories would indeed be welcome.
Celestial is on of those routes that you look and and go "HOLY SH!TE. It goes out that?"
My first trip down there in 2005 I met up with a guy who wanted to go do Fit for Life. I'd never been up into the Bronco Bowl. Steep climbing at the time was a weakness of mine and I figured those two routes would be good for me. So the next day we get the Potrero alpine start. That's noon for those of you who haven't been done there. We arrive at the base and start flaking the rope. My partner, who was a much better climber than I, INSISTS that I take the first pitch. At 11a a it's not technically that hard but it is long and a tiny bit runout. At the time it only sported 5 bolts in it's 150 feet. So I grab the draws and tie in. A remember getting to the crux and looking down about 15 feet at the last bolt and having a pretty good laugh. I finished the pitch and belayed my partner up. Turns out he had been up to the Bronco Bowl a few times but had never lead Steel Pulse. I guess runout face climbing was a weakness of his.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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How about bolting that well?
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Anastasia
climber
Home
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Stilltrying says it best.
"...only color that matters to them is green."
That's the bottom line. Most of the problems in Mexico is just that. It needs to redo the way it allows business to function, make it more of a free market, capitalistic, less open to local corruption and wham! They have the skills, the desires and the resources to compete. Do that and I bet half the problems over there will disappear. Once they can chase the dream, the drug world wouldn't be so attractive. Right now because there is so little opportunity, drug smuggling looks real good.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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That's the bottom line. Most of the problems in Mexico is just that. It needs to redo the way it allows business to function, make it more of a free market, capitalistic, less open to local corruption and wham! They have the skills, the desires and the resources to compete. Do that and I bet half the problems over there will disappear. Once they can chase the dream, the drug world wouldn't be so attractive. Right now because there is so little opportunity, drug smuggling looks real good.
Gosh Damnit!!! Do I need to run for f*#king President!!!
I have been advocating a policy like this for years on this forum. Bring manufacturing from Asia to Mexico and South America. You know what you get???
1. Less illegal immigration
2. Less transportation costs for goods.
3. More prosperity in Mexico, and less corruption, and less drug trafficking.
Don't make me come down there, Mexico!!!
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Truthdweller
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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You ex - military Hank?
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wbw
Trad climber
'cross the great divide
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It needs to redo the way it allows business to function, make it more of a free market, capitalistic, less open to local corruption and wham! They have the skills, the desires and the resources to compete. Do that and I bet half the problems over there will disappear.
Yes, maybe, but reducing corruption is one of the primary cruxes for all developing countries trying to increase prosperity amongst its citizens. It is much more difficult and complex than simply changing laws or policy. Once corruption has gained traction in a society, people lose faith and become jaded towards its political and economic system. The people engaging in corruption have a strong vested interest in the status quo, and are generally resistant to positive change.
If it were as simple as changing the way government allows business to function, then you can be sure that half of the problems (or more) for the entire Third World would disappear.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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The manufacturing went to Mexico for a while. Remember the maquiadoras ? Capital moved on.
It needs to be gov't subsidized. Yes, I said it.....
And Yeah, I think Hank is former mil.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Ex-scout member : I would never allow my children to join that backwards bumfuct organization.
DMT
I hear ya, the Boy Scouts of America is nothing but a bad influence on boys.
They should be banned for their homophobic ideas. Gays are a better role model for humanity than those BSA as#@&%es!
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