18 murdered, dumped in portrero chico; climbers are fleeing

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pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
I get the whole don't bother them and they won't bother you thing with the cartels, I just wonder if it is not a matter of time before they poke their head across the street and say hey guys... look at what we have here, a way to get some extra cash.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
"In a way there is. A lot of immigrants from other countries pass through Chiapas on their way to the US, Ironically the Mexicans don't treat them very well."

This never gets reported here. The Federales treat the Guatemalans and other Central Americans like sh#t a lot of the time.

Racism and Discrimination abounds anywhere in the world, not just in "Whitey" land.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
You obviously missed this comment from Manny than.

For fuk sakes man, it is thEn, not thAn. Don't try to pass it off as a typo either, you do this repeatedly. This has nothing to do with Mexico or racists, it has everything to do with 3rd grade spelling class.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
You didn't really answer the question Jhedge, but I am going to take that as a yes.

I have two college degrees, lived outside of the US for six years, speak two other languages, and have moved away from from my liberal upbringing to a libertarian view with plenty of conservative elements to it (fiscal and judicial) though I disagree with Republicans on many issues (Democrats as well). Somehow though if I ever express those conservative views I am a conservative, I am racist, and have a low IQ because god forbid anyone hold views outside of the two doctrines we are allowed.

Your view is a cop-out, pure and simple, you don't want to have a valid argument with someone or consider their point of view. That sort of thinking is the essence of bigotry.

"Racism and Discrimination abounds anywhere in the world, not just in "Whitey" land. "

Exactly, and usually where we least expect it like when we try to find "scientific" studies to label those on the other side of the policitcal spectrum as all having low IQ's.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
Sh#t, I didn't know I was writing an essay for college. You guys post here and know how fast paced this sh#t can get and you are going to blast me for that. I try my best to check my spelling before posting, but didn't really think any Professors would get upset over some grammatical errors. Fair enough. would you be kind enough to run through my posts and point out all my spelling errors. I mean it's really relevant to the whole topic here.

patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
Yes, the internet age is a succubus on grammar and spelling. We'll all be writing like we are special ed in 20 years.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
I mean it's really relevant to the whole topic here.

It is entirely relevant. It is not a simple spelling mistake. It is a persistent ignorance of the difference between two common words. You cun't vary wall argue about the ignorance if otters of you don't knew the weaning of the wards you use.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Feb 1, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
As I said before Mechrist, you are a special kind of Prick. You gonna go ahead and leg hump me know and follow all my posts so you can call me ignorant. You are f*#kin moron dude. But I know the net is your life and you get off on this sh#t so have fun. I'll be looking for you to check all posts for spelling as well. Or you just have a hard on for me, not anyone else. This internet sh#t is so funny. Have fun on ST the rest of the evening.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 1, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
No, I'm simply going to ignore you, as usual, until you start going off about ignorance while committing grammatical atrocities that would shame an 8 year old.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
Mexico has much stricter gun control laws than the US, and a much higher murder rate.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 1, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
^^Oh gawd, here we go again^^
Manny

Social climber
tempe
Feb 1, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
Ron, Dirt Claud I am simply willing to let everyone believe what they want as long as they don't force me to accept their belief as my truth, whether it is about race or guns. Just because you're a wacko (not saying either of you are)doesn't mean I won't climb with you.

I usually try to ask about facts to refute arguments based on hearsay or opinion. Which is why I was so incensed by R&I initial report about bodies thrown into Homeros well. That was akin to throwing another log on the fire and what got me into this thread. Now here we are. Back to the Treasure of the Sierra Madre, "badges, badges, we don't go to show you no stinking badges!" Classic Mexican bad guy nightmare for everyone.



pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
Not arguing for or against Mono, just pointing out some facts and inconsistencies. I am not a gun person, I just think the debate has very little to do with the cause of the gun violence which shows insincerity on our parts as Americans.

^^^
They have been applied, vast majority of ordinary Mexicans don't own guns. Cartels do which they acquired illegally.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 1, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
Mexico is in the midst of a full blown narco insurgancy. you simply can not compare the US violent crime and ramdom mass shootings to a civil war.. Different game entirly.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
And if we enacted the same level of gun control here in the US as in Mexico we would be able to enforce them? Really? Does this not show that despite gun control laws people wind up with guns anyway? Deadly ones? What makes the US more able to deal with it? Is not the war of the Federales against the cartels partly a war to control them and disarm them?

Where is the discussion on mental health? Where is the discussion on non-violence? Where is the discussion on responsible parenting? Its drowned out because those things aren't contentious enough get politicians elected and require sincere change that has to come from ourselves. The gun control debate is a ruse, it will accomplish nothing to prevent these shootings just as it did nothing to prevent violence in Mexico.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Feb 1, 2013 - 07:07pm PT
Driving back to Copper Canyon in two weeks, can't wait. Chicken sh#t Americans, more guns than they know what to do with and are still afraid of their own shadow.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 07:11pm PT
That's exactly what I am saying Coz, though I disagree with your assessment of the violence in Mexico. I think there is something to be learned in Mexico.
S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Feb 1, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
Heading to DF in May. I've made probably 20 trips all over Mexico.
No problems yet...
S.Leeper

Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
Feb 1, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
pick out the gringo

Credit: S.Leeper
ruppell

climber
Feb 1, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
pick out the gringo

That guy on the cross in the background?

Do I win a prize?
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