18 murdered, dumped in portrero chico; climbers are fleeing

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Matt's

climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 29, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
http://rockice.amgbusiness.com/lates-news/18-murdered-near-potrero-climbers-flee?Preview=True?utm_source=Mountain%2BProject&utm_medium=RSS%2BFeed&utm_campaign=MP%2BFeed-News

grim... might take a while for climbers to return to this area
brotherbbock

Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
That is gnarly.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
jesus h. christ
sheepdog

Trad climber
just over the hill
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
grim. more on the story here, when the death toll was "only" 10.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/27/3203748/colombian-style-band-missing-in.html
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
Band members who perform Narcocorrido (songs and stories about drugs and or cartels)are typically targeted for playing a song in support of X cartel, and Y cartel catches wind of it.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
not in the last bit surprised.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
Ugh, and that "Magic" Ed clown fossil will not shut up about how easy and cake everything is down there..

As a climber 1st and huge BASE jumping enthusiast as well, Mexico is an endless paradise of walls that are now being held hostage by cartels that the U.S. helps arm(we know where they are, exploding drones!). I've been there a TON and I know why the Mexicans are sneeking over by the millions, I get it, the U.S, is way better. But we bend over backwards for illegal Mexicans in this Country(you've got to be actually stupid to get caught and deported), but we can't even go climb/jump a rock and spend some money without this crap. And what do the cartels actually do, weed? Nobody smokes Mexican weed, not even Texans. I just don't get why the U.S. puts up with this backward ass country. Send in the Drones man.

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Band members who perform Narcocorrido (songs and stories about drugs and or cartels)are typically targeted for playing a song in support of X cartel, and Y cartel catches wind of it.

Absolute 8th grade quality reasoning right there. These cartels are idiots with a shitload of power over already suffering peoples. Insane.
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
didn't Crimpergirl tell about a negative experience there a few years ago?
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:52pm PT
Survival makes sense to me. If you play in the narco culture, you risk getting caught up in the violence.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
Ive mentioned that before Hankster! Im all for that. We go around the globe to free countries under the rule of the ruthless yet we put up with a neighboring country that floods us as well with problematic types as they attempt to escape what is nothing but a large cesspool of murder rape and pillage. And we DO NOTHING about that..
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
never heard any of these folks on the WHAT SONG Are You Listening ... thread.

we must be out of touch




monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
And we flood Mexico with guns, legal and illegal.
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
Never said it didn't make sense, just really stupid sense. Like the kind of sense that isn't worth killing 18 musicians sense.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
ive posted om the what are you listening to now thread Z...


edit: Mono,, theres probably no less that 50 countries providing arms in Mexico...Al-kay-duh monies exist from Argentina to Tijuana now as well. They to recognize the weakness of our southern borders..
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
^coolo

In Chula Vista we're all used to hearing about lots of deaths and weird goings on. For example:

TIJUANA — Authorities searching a vacant property in eastern Tijuana may have found the remains of dozens of drug-war victims gone missing after their corpses were dissolved in lye by a man known as El Pozolero — the stew maker.

“We believe that there could be more than 100 bodies dissolved there,” said Abel Galván Gallardo, head of Baja California’s organized-crime unit

No info on the muscial preferences of the deceased, gut pretty sure they're not the Grateful Dead.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
Survival writes:

"Band members who perform Narcocorrido (songs and stories about drugs and or cartels)are typically targeted for playing a song in support of X cartel, and Y cartel catches wind of it."


I heard these guys weren't that kind of band.

They don't have to be, though, to end up like they did.

The cartel goon squads aren't above kidnapping any available target, whether narco involved or not, and forcing them to confess on video to some horseshit story their captors made up for them, then snuffing them.

The whole idea is to make an example out of someone. Actual guilt is beside the point.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jan 29, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
This is grim.

I rented a place through Magic Ed, and out back there was a bar/hall where there were parties going on, loud music trough the night. I wanted to go check it out, but thought better of it.

The band played love songs, not drug songs, or so the story says. Frickin' brutal.


EDIT

theres probably no less that 50 countries providing arms in Mexico...Al-kay-duh monies exist from Argentina to Tijuana now as well. They to recognize the weakness of our southern borders..

Ron, where do you get your intel?? Al-kay-duh has money to arm Mexican drug cartels? Boy, you have your hand on the pulse!
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
A huge source of guns to Mexico come from the US.

What do you think Fast and Furious was all about, Ron?

70% of recovered cartel guns come from the US. AL-KI-DER has little to do with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_firearms_into_Mexico
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:04pm PT
I didn't say they were Narcocorrido, just that it was a possible explanation.

The band played love songs, not drug songs, or so the story says. Frickin' brutal.


They wrote a love song about the wrong girl?

Well, at any rate, it sucks for a whole band to be slaughtered if it was over the music or not....
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jan 29, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
A massacre of 18 people is a big deal, even in a war zone like Iraq or Afghanistan. In Colombia it would be the biggest massacre in many years. Seems obvious it's drug related, one clue was this:

The band regularly played at bars in downtown Monterrey on the weekend. At least two of the bars where they had played had been attacked by gunmen.

Restaurants and bars are often associated with organized crime, and if they played at bars that had this kind of violence they may have been associated with one of the groups, at least in the mind of the other one. If there are rival drug cartels fighting over Monterrey, this is probably a message from one of them to the other to get out of town.
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