mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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I mean it's really relevant to the whole topic here.
It is entirely relevant. It is not a simple spelling mistake. It is a persistent ignorance of the difference between two common words. You cun't vary wall argue about the ignorance if otters of you don't knew the weaning of the wards you use.
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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As I said before Mechrist, you are a special kind of Prick. You gonna go ahead and leg hump me know and follow all my posts so you can call me ignorant. You are f*#kin moron dude. But I know the net is your life and you get off on this sh#t so have fun. I'll be looking for you to check all posts for spelling as well. Or you just have a hard on for me, not anyone else. This internet sh#t is so funny. Have fun on ST the rest of the evening.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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No, I'm simply going to ignore you, as usual, until you start going off about ignorance while committing grammatical atrocities that would shame an 8 year old.
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jghedge
climber
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"Basically, 18 band members dead near a climbing area, Mexico's asunder, 23 children dead in Conn, everything cool, and guns are great."
+1
And other country's gun violence (or lack thereof) is only comparable to the US if it shines a favorable light on private gun ownership. If not, then they're too geographically different to apply.
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pat
Trad climber
estes park
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Mexico has much stricter gun control laws than the US, and a much higher murder rate.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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^^Oh gawd, here we go again^^
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Manny
Social climber
tempe
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Ron, Dirt Claud I am simply willing to let everyone believe what they want as long as they don't force me to accept their belief as my truth, whether it is about race or guns. Just because you're a wacko (not saying either of you are)doesn't mean I won't climb with you.
I usually try to ask about facts to refute arguments based on hearsay or opinion. Which is why I was so incensed by R&I initial report about bodies thrown into Homeros well. That was akin to throwing another log on the fire and what got me into this thread. Now here we are. Back to the Treasure of the Sierra Madre, "badges, badges, we don't go to show you no stinking badges!" Classic Mexican bad guy nightmare for everyone.
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jghedge
climber
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"Mexico has much stricter gun control laws than the US..."
And no way of applying them.
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pat
Trad climber
estes park
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Not arguing for or against Mono, just pointing out some facts and inconsistencies. I am not a gun person, I just think the debate has very little to do with the cause of the gun violence which shows insincerity on our parts as Americans.
^^^
They have been applied, vast majority of ordinary Mexicans don't own guns. Cartels do which they acquired illegally.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Mexico is in the midst of a full blown narco insurgancy. you simply can not compare the US violent crime and ramdom mass shootings to a civil war.. Different game entirly.
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jghedge
climber
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"Cartels do which they acquired illegally."
Because Mexico is incapable of enforcing their gun laws.
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pat
Trad climber
estes park
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And if we enacted the same level of gun control here in the US as in Mexico we would be able to enforce them? Really? Does this not show that despite gun control laws people wind up with guns anyway? Deadly ones? What makes the US more able to deal with it? Is not the war of the Federales against the cartels partly a war to control them and disarm them?
Where is the discussion on mental health? Where is the discussion on non-violence? Where is the discussion on responsible parenting? Its drowned out because those things aren't contentious enough get politicians elected and require sincere change that has to come from ourselves. The gun control debate is a ruse, it will accomplish nothing to prevent these shootings just as it did nothing to prevent violence in Mexico.
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coz
Gym climber
Belmont
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Guns are a symptom, not a cause.
I've heard (from a reliable source) it's much harder to hack someone to death, or look them in the eye and stab them in the heart, than to shoot at a safe distance.
The underlaying cause of violence is the issue, not the means in witch the kill is made.
Seems lot's of guys... killed better with famine and bombs, than guns, but no ones stopping those - because they are a corporate tool; the good old USA being the greatest seller of said goods.
Let's bring the discussion up a notch, rather than debate band aids, let us debate a cure.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Driving back to Copper Canyon in two weeks, can't wait. Chicken sh#t Americans, more guns than they know what to do with and are still afraid of their own shadow.
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pat
Trad climber
estes park
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That's exactly what I am saying Coz, though I disagree with your assessment of the violence in Mexico. I think there is something to be learned in Mexico.
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Heading to DF in May. I've made probably 20 trips all over Mexico.
No problems yet...
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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pick out the gringo
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ruppell
climber
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pick out the gringo
That guy on the cross in the background?
Do I win a prize?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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the One on the cross does not look Hispanic.
whoops
but He doesn't look gringo either
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coz
Gym climber
Belmont
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This is a very complex issue, dealing with global commerce, and shared profit amongst the ruling elite, a simple spoon feed media solution is no panacea to what ails us.
Hate me if you like but I've traveled to about 38 countries so far, and I can tell you without a moments hesitation the good old USA is fundamentally the most psycho and dangerous.
I love America, but the ruling elite controls the media and big money controls the mass hysteria.
I would challenge any one here to fly to Durango, Mexico, and take a drive around, you will see all your great American products being made in the most horrible conditions, and the little brown people made to suffer.
Media controlled by said elite is making you unwilling to make that trip, as the so called drug war that we are fighting, is suppling all the goods and services ( coke and weed) to our country.
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