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pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
Just to clarify, you think the US should go into Mexico and stop the cartels Ron?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 1, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
ABSOLUTELY...

Yes, a full on Brigade after Brigade sweep. Poncho Via would approve.

edit: and match that here by rounding up EVERY KNOWN GANG MEMBER in the USA and either A) deporting them or B) deporting them to a Mexican jail or Vietnamese jail or any other country of their origin including the USA.

Why the hell we put up with hundreds of thousands of KNOWN gang members is beyond me...
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
Of course the Mexicans would welcome us with open arms like in Iraq, and everyone would live happily ever after like in every other country we have intervened in.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 1, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
The average Iranian (my buddy) hopes for the USA to take out their regime..Im willing to bet the good folks of mexico would welcome a squad of marines in their village to keep them safe,, yes i do...They are arming themselves with old single shot scatter guns in an effort to survive. If I were them, I would welcome a squad toting ARs and 50 cals..I would point out every Cartel member i knew to them as well.. And i would ask to go along, if they let borrow one of those assualt weapons..
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Feb 1, 2013 - 03:29pm PT
Weather it's a good idea or not. The problem is many Mexicans would feel the "Imperialistic" USA is just trying to take over Mexico and the Mexican news media would make it look that way as well.

Edit: F*#k that Pancho Villa guy Ron, the real revolutionary was Emiliano Zapata.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 03:35pm PT
The average Mexican would not, welcome the US. I've lived there, I speak the language, I know the country well. Your Iranian friend is an N: of 1. I also firmly believe change has to come from the inside for it to be lasting, we have zero track record of foreign intervention actually ever working to enact a lasting change in the last 30 or so years, we have a long track record of destabilizing countries, we have a debt to take care of, and an obvious non-violent solution to the problem. So I disagree.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Feb 1, 2013 - 03:38pm PT
^^^+1
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 1, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
Yes and a good part of our debt goes to illegal aliens here right now. Then throw in the amount of $$$ that goes into LEO actions nightly with the same, incarceration of the same, welfare, free clinics, and the list goes on.

Compton, Richland, Sacto, LA, Oakland, Reno, Vegas you name it. The last three violent shootings in the previous week all involved exactly the same types around the reno tahoe area. We have lands that WE ARENT allowed to go on in the USA..And much more where they advise against it. We have farmers shot in their fields near the southern border. All bullsheet and WASNT what my forefathers , grandfathers Uncles and Brothers fought for.

Its not just a Mexico problem.. It affects us all, as tax payers.
Manny

Social climber
tempe
Feb 1, 2013 - 03:53pm PT
Two middle aged white males were slaughtered by another middle aged white male in Phoenix. Then he killed himself. Violence is universal, not just limited to Mexicans and gang bangers.

I'd like to see the facts showing that illegal aliens take any significant portion of the USA's debt. I think there are plenty of freeloaders on the govt dime, corporations for instance. Why do we pay Big Oil billions in subsidys? Oh, I know, they're all-american. Or maybe not.

The USA needs to retool itself and focus on domestic issues before we can school the world.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 1, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
viva la raza
QITNL

climber
Feb 1, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
Manny is absolutely correct. I'm also taking exception to Ron's racist comments regarding Mexico and Hispanics here and elsewhere on this forum.

I have zero-tolerance for this type of hate-speech. Ron, if you would like to continue that line of discussion, please take it to another forum.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
Ron, whether I agree or disagree with what you just wrote is irrelevant, the outcome of what you are suggesting is what matters.

Sending troops into Mexico would not make the situation better, it would make it worse, we would have a much worse situation on our hands. I guarantee you of that. Our track record with foreign intervention is one of destabilization, not stabilization. We simply don't know what we are doing when it comes to these things, and our hands are tied as a country by a binary two party way of thinking that prevents us from being able to effect change in another country even if we knew how to do it.
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Feb 1, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
"Why the hell we put up with hundreds of thousands of KNOWN gang members is beyond me..."

The same reason we put up with ignorant racist f*#ks from moundhouse.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 1, 2013 - 04:04pm PT
I dont disagree with any of that Manny..

You can find facts and figures of the following:

Prison populations by ethnicity

Free clinic use by the same

Welfare usage by the same

Emnergency room treatements and non payments. ( i have a buddy who deals with those figures for CTH.)

and watch the nightly bay area news and then guesstimate the amount of $$$$ during the subsequent LEO actions, investigations and reports all done in ganglands. On an average night in E carson, youll find no less than three cruisers, one being a canine unit around the hotsprings and hgwy 50 intersections at ALL TIMES. The area now known as little TJ.. This only a few miles from the fishing spot on the river i like where i had to read Kill the whites, and F*ck white boyz scrawled on the rock with spray paint from a local hispanic gang.

The SK gang had a shoot out in my parking lot twenty feet from me inside- watching it through the window during a car chase. So i have some first hand knowledge if you will.




For those of you calling me racist,, you obviously cant read or


comprehend...




Ive NEVER painted kill anyone on any rock...



Manny

Social climber
tempe
Feb 1, 2013 - 04:15pm PT
Ron, the ethnicity figures I don't doubt; the hatred you feel from cholos, I don't doubt. The citizenship is what you referred to as far as feeding off the govt tit, illegal aliens. But ethnicity and citizenship are two different things.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 04:15pm PT
"You're a pathetic, lying as#@&%e."

As much as I love Mexico I experienced my share of racism down there. I was spit on, rocks thrown at me. A good friend of mine was murdered here in the US in what I think may have been a partially racist attack (he and the other victims were white, the killers were black and the attack was brutal and unfounded). It is a two way street. I think the answer is to not get on it. Accept people for who they are as individuals when you meet them.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 1, 2013 - 04:16pm PT
athcafalatio, hedgeworm and riley whiner ...


all three of you deserve nothing..


bit ill fart in your general direction anyhow..



and Manny,, yes , perhaps that is the confusion.. I know people from around the globe. I have many friends of different NA tribes, Mexican, Asian, and African. The RACIST card is thrown around here by some like candy in a parade quit honestly. But i promise you if an IRISH gang starts shooting it up out front ill be the first to let ya know. That just isnt the case. We have MS13, east side tokers, SK, and a few other off shoots here in carson city. All hispanic based.. Many of those could become legal through the "dream act" too..




Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Feb 1, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
Thank you, jghedge, for demonstrating bigotry comes from the Left, too.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Feb 1, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
hey, what do you know. This has turned into a "Bash the Non-Liberals" thread.
I'm really surprised. Wouldn't expect it from this crowd. How original.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 1, 2013 - 04:37pm PT
snort,, chuckle...^^^;^)


We had Mexican grows here last year,, a BUNCH of them. All loosely connected with a cartel branch. We have a HS Blackhawk that now patrols the areas surrounding Carson, Garderville and Tahoe regularly.. I see it go over head each end every day as they search the river corridor as well.

Now,, a ship, pilot, co-pilot , crew of at least two others, plus support crews runs the tax payers about ,, lets say,,22,000.00 per hour in total, after ensuing logs, reports etc are filed.

22K x four hour flights x 7 days a week = 616K per week...
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