18 murdered, dumped in portrero chico; climbers are fleeing

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dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
You obviously missed this comment from Manny than.

"I was born in Arizona almost 60 years ago. It wasn't difficult to know your place then. I remember a lot of things changing, racially, that were difficult for all."

This was after I asked him about the racism he had to deal with and where he was from.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:19pm PT
Just to be clear Jhedge you are saying or ipmlying all conservatives are racist and have a low IQ?
steveA

Trad climber
bedford,massachusetts
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
My daughter just sent me this from Mexico. She is making an attempt to calm me down, since I was worried after hearing of the murders.

In fact, she is cooking a meal, with 20 others, for a party tonight; including Alex Honnold, who just arrived.

She has been hanging out today, with a cold, and found this on the web:

http://www.lonelyplanet.com/blog/2012/04/30/are-americans-safer-in-mexico-than-at-home/
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:24pm PT
Well kidnapping and murdering aside at least we now know there is a known Cartel bar/hangout within a stone's throw from where we all camp. Nothing to worry about with that. Right?

I wouldn't. If you don't bother them, I doubt they would bother you. That's how Colombia is anyway. You're not very interesting compared to the multimillion dollar drug deal they're thinking about. Or their enemies they're fighting against. Although, if you look too dorky with a buzz cut, mirrored shades bizarre paranoid behavior, they might think you're DEA and that would be different. I sure hope zBrown can get to the bottom of what happened to all those Vietnamese tourists who disappeared down there.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
Are Americans safer in Mexico than at home? Please, what a load. At least
here 99.9% of the cops are honest and well-meaning. Mexicans often don't
even call the man because they don't trust him. I've had a number of
friends who have been shaken down by the fuzz por una mordita. One climber
rented a car at the airport to drive to Orizaba and got shaken down twice
before he could get out of Mexico City.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:28pm PT
^^^ Well I'm not gonna work on it, but I might spend some time on the ethnic cmposition of Mexico. I somehow feel that there is not a giant wave of immigrants descending upon Chiapas.

EDIT:

I have never been to portrero chico and am not anticipating a trip nearfuturewise, so I poked around a little and did find some photographic evidence of Vietnamese tourists, alive no less.



pat (below), but the question I think is, do they stay?
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
In a way there is. A lot of immigrants from other countries pass through Chiapas on their way to the US, Ironically the Mexicans don't treat them very well.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:33pm PT
//http://www.lonelyplanet.com/blog/2012/04/30/are-americans-safer-in-mexico-than-at-home///

The above article is truly skewed. Think if yourself as a climber: probably white, probably upper middle to upper class. This fits into the category of an American likely to get killed in America? No, you aren't. It is poor, non-white people competing for limited resources that get killed.

So you travel to PC, you are now not protected like you are in the US. You don't live in the suburbs, with police that would respond in a second to a white person getting accosted in any way.

It doesn't matter how many cops are in PC or anywhere in Mexico before or after murders. They are all ready and willing to be paid off or look the other way at any given time, and they will turn on you in a second to take your money. Later, no one saw or heard a thing. Been there, done it myself.

This isn't a rant against Mexicans or Mexican people. I feel sorry for people having to live in what is, in effect, anarchy.

If you 'feel safe' in Mexico, great, go for it. 'You are more likely to drive in a car crash' probably a better analogy. As thing get worse, no one will go to Mexico. Law and order are non-existent by US or first-world standards.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
I get the whole don't bother them and they won't bother you thing with the cartels, I just wonder if it is not a matter of time before they poke their head across the street and say hey guys... look at what we have here, a way to get some extra cash.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
"In a way there is. A lot of immigrants from other countries pass through Chiapas on their way to the US, Ironically the Mexicans don't treat them very well."

This never gets reported here. The Federales treat the Guatemalans and other Central Americans like sh#t a lot of the time.

Racism and Discrimination abounds anywhere in the world, not just in "Whitey" land.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
You obviously missed this comment from Manny than.

For fuk sakes man, it is thEn, not thAn. Don't try to pass it off as a typo either, you do this repeatedly. This has nothing to do with Mexico or racists, it has everything to do with 3rd grade spelling class.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
You didn't really answer the question Jhedge, but I am going to take that as a yes.

I have two college degrees, lived outside of the US for six years, speak two other languages, and have moved away from from my liberal upbringing to a libertarian view with plenty of conservative elements to it (fiscal and judicial) though I disagree with Republicans on many issues (Democrats as well). Somehow though if I ever express those conservative views I am a conservative, I am racist, and have a low IQ because god forbid anyone hold views outside of the two doctrines we are allowed.

Your view is a cop-out, pure and simple, you don't want to have a valid argument with someone or consider their point of view. That sort of thinking is the essence of bigotry.

"Racism and Discrimination abounds anywhere in the world, not just in "Whitey" land. "

Exactly, and usually where we least expect it like when we try to find "scientific" studies to label those on the other side of the policitcal spectrum as all having low IQ's.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:49pm PT
Sh#t, I didn't know I was writing an essay for college. You guys post here and know how fast paced this sh#t can get and you are going to blast me for that. I try my best to check my spelling before posting, but didn't really think any Professors would get upset over some grammatical errors. Fair enough. would you be kind enough to run through my posts and point out all my spelling errors. I mean it's really relevant to the whole topic here.

patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
Yes, the internet age is a succubus on grammar and spelling. We'll all be writing like we are special ed in 20 years.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 1, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
I mean it's really relevant to the whole topic here.

It is entirely relevant. It is not a simple spelling mistake. It is a persistent ignorance of the difference between two common words. You cun't vary wall argue about the ignorance if otters of you don't knew the weaning of the wards you use.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Feb 1, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
As I said before Mechrist, you are a special kind of Prick. You gonna go ahead and leg hump me know and follow all my posts so you can call me ignorant. You are f*#kin moron dude. But I know the net is your life and you get off on this sh#t so have fun. I'll be looking for you to check all posts for spelling as well. Or you just have a hard on for me, not anyone else. This internet sh#t is so funny. Have fun on ST the rest of the evening.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 1, 2013 - 06:07pm PT
No, I'm simply going to ignore you, as usual, until you start going off about ignorance while committing grammatical atrocities that would shame an 8 year old.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Feb 1, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
Mexico has much stricter gun control laws than the US, and a much higher murder rate.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Feb 1, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
^^Oh gawd, here we go again^^
Manny

Social climber
tempe
Feb 1, 2013 - 06:26pm PT
Ron, Dirt Claud I am simply willing to let everyone believe what they want as long as they don't force me to accept their belief as my truth, whether it is about race or guns. Just because you're a wacko (not saying either of you are)doesn't mean I won't climb with you.

I usually try to ask about facts to refute arguments based on hearsay or opinion. Which is why I was so incensed by R&I initial report about bodies thrown into Homeros well. That was akin to throwing another log on the fire and what got me into this thread. Now here we are. Back to the Treasure of the Sierra Madre, "badges, badges, we don't go to show you no stinking badges!" Classic Mexican bad guy nightmare for everyone.



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