mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 30, 2013 - 10:52am PT
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They aren't psychos, they are refined business men. Don't you ever watch gangster movies?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 30, 2013 - 11:10am PT
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Phug That Shnitzel.
We've got impressive, safer places to climb in the states.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 30, 2013 - 11:14am PT
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Apparently some people have been bringing their trained attack dog to the crags around here. I guess South Lake is pretty close to Carson, so I'm not surprised.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Jan 30, 2013 - 11:16am PT
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Once the dogs have the bags taken out of them you can only guess what happens to them after that
Korean BBQ?
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Jan 30, 2013 - 11:28am PT
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So to link this to the Bad Kitty thread, which I admittedly started, when the question of invasive species came up, I expressed hope that the Florida python problem would abate.
But as some posters wrote on the thread and I have since researched a bit, those suckers are really taking over south Florida.
So the big question. Who will get wasted first? The pythons or the cartels (of Mexico and the world)?
Or will both problems persist for many moons to come?
A proud and stupid American who lives elsewhere.
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KRS-Grun
Trad climber
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Jan 30, 2013 - 11:40am PT
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Yes that's all true dirt cload but the point is gringo climbers aren't in that group. I'm not saying everything is great down here. What happened to the band is horrible whether they had cartel relations or not.
I'm not saying you should come here. I personally think it's safer for climbers now with less climbers. After watching a huge rock fall through a crowd of people on the Jungle Wall during the two crowded weeks near new years, I think the loose rocks on multi-pitch routes are the bullets that have come way closer to killing climbers here.
The title of this tread is false about climbers fleeing. Maybe a few people have left but as of yesterday climbers were still climbing. Also the bodies weren't dumped in Potrero it was Mina. Just trying to shed some truth on the situation, though
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Steven Amter
climber
Washington, DC
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Jan 30, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
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This news article from the Toronto Star seems more detailed and up to date than most:
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/01/28/bodies_found_in_well_where_mexican_band_went_missing.html
According to the article, which included quotes from a police spokesman, the band member who survived reported that "the 18 musicians and crew members were blindfolded and driven on dirt roads. He then heard the assailants ask fellow band members if they belonged to a drug cartel, shots were fired and the bodies were dumped into a well."
I don't think I'll be visiting too many live music venues when I'm down there next week...
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Mr_T
Trad climber
Northern California
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Jan 30, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
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Climbers will be fine. No reason for the cartels to fuk with their paying customers... as long as they aren't sleeping with their women.
Yeah, I hear that cartels are very careful not to shoot yuppie/hippy gringoes because otherwise the police would get involved. And I'm sure that a Mexican willing to kill fellow Mexicans would probably have reservations about messing with some gringo tourist.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Jan 30, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
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the count of missing Americans in Mexico in 2008 was 69..Its way more than that now.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jan 30, 2013 - 03:46pm PT
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Guardase maestro Amter!
And have fun!
We will be awaiting your TR so pull down for us, brother.
Salud!
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jghedge
climber
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Jan 30, 2013 - 03:47pm PT
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"the count of missing Americans in Mexico in 2008 was 69..Its way more than that now."
Or so you imagine.
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
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Jan 30, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
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19000 were killed in a year so add another 18 to it
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Steven Amter
climber
Washington, DC
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Jan 30, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
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Steve:
Big John has my back!
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gallo
Big Wall climber
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Jan 30, 2013 - 08:51pm PT
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.Duane Raleigh:
Your article is very sensacionalist ( aka Tabloid).
you pick careully a single incident and some general statistical data and rush to write this down out of context, inducing the reader to panic without a point of reference... of the real situation and most important:
DAMAGING THE IMAGE OF AN ENTIRE CLIMBING COMMUNITY.
I was last winter in Potrero for a couple of months and things haven't change much since my last visit.
In the last years there are at least a couple hundreds of climbers per season who stay for several weeks at the area without recalling a single notorious incident and the locals (the good and the bad ones) naturally knows who are all this foreing people.
I will notice that you must exercise common sense visiting potrero like you will do in some other out of states adventorous climbing areas like south america or even europe.
Acurate, sencible information is crucial to succed as a climber.
As a columnist of this magazine you owe to the readers a sound judgement
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jan 30, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
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very sensacionalist ( aka Tabloid).
you pick careully a single incident a
Yeah, just a tiny little inconvenient incident, like EIGHTEEN PEOPLE BEING MURDERED AND HAVING THEIR BODIES dumped in your locale.
The notorious St. Valentine's Day Massacre in Chicago? Only 7 were killed and they were gang members. These were band members. BAND MEMBERS!
So tiny little "single incidents" like this tend to attract attention.
What a bullshit comment Gallo makes.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Jan 30, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
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What happens in Mexico stays in Mexico.
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