18 murdered, dumped in portrero chico; climbers are fleeing

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Steven Amter

climber
Washington, DC
Jan 30, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
This news article from the Toronto Star seems more detailed and up to date than most:

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/01/28/bodies_found_in_well_where_mexican_band_went_missing.html

According to the article, which included quotes from a police spokesman, the band member who survived reported that "the 18 musicians and crew members were blindfolded and driven on dirt roads. He then heard the assailants ask fellow band members if they belonged to a drug cartel, shots were fired and the bodies were dumped into a well."

I don't think I'll be visiting too many live music venues when I'm down there next week...

Mr_T

Trad climber
Northern California
Jan 30, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
Climbers will be fine. No reason for the cartels to fuk with their paying customers... as long as they aren't sleeping with their women.

Yeah, I hear that cartels are very careful not to shoot yuppie/hippy gringoes because otherwise the police would get involved. And I'm sure that a Mexican willing to kill fellow Mexicans would probably have reservations about messing with some gringo tourist.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 30, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
the count of missing Americans in Mexico in 2008 was 69..Its way more than that now.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jan 30, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
Guardase maestro Amter!

And have fun!

We will be awaiting your TR so pull down for us, brother.

Salud!
jghedge

climber
Jan 30, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
"the count of missing Americans in Mexico in 2008 was 69..Its way more than that now."

Or so you imagine.
Majid_S

Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
Jan 30, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
19000 were killed in a year so add another 18 to it
Steven Amter

climber
Washington, DC
Jan 30, 2013 - 07:49pm PT
Steve:

Big John has my back!
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 30, 2013 - 08:19pm PT
And quite a few of those missing Amricans in Mexico are involved in the drug trade, like several in this article.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/sep/27/local/me-bones27
gallo

Big Wall climber
Jan 30, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
.Duane Raleigh:
Your article is very sensacionalist ( aka Tabloid).
you pick careully a single incident and some general statistical data and rush to write this down out of context, inducing the reader to panic without a point of reference... of the real situation and most important:
DAMAGING THE IMAGE OF AN ENTIRE CLIMBING COMMUNITY.
I was last winter in Potrero for a couple of months and things haven't change much since my last visit.
In the last years there are at least a couple hundreds of climbers per season who stay for several weeks at the area without recalling a single notorious incident and the locals (the good and the bad ones) naturally knows who are all this foreing people.
I will notice that you must exercise common sense visiting potrero like you will do in some other out of states adventorous climbing areas like south america or even europe.
Acurate, sencible information is crucial to succed as a climber.
As a columnist of this magazine you owe to the readers a sound judgement
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:27am PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFasg6qI1TY
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:28am PT
very sensacionalist ( aka Tabloid).
you pick careully a single incident a

Yeah, just a tiny little inconvenient incident, like EIGHTEEN PEOPLE BEING MURDERED AND HAVING THEIR BODIES dumped in your locale.

The notorious St. Valentine's Day Massacre in Chicago? Only 7 were killed and they were gang members. These were band members. BAND MEMBERS!

So tiny little "single incidents" like this tend to attract attention.

What a bullshit comment Gallo makes.
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:34am PT
What happens in Mexico stays in Mexico.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:37am PT
Damn straight!





jstan

climber
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:37am PT
An urban myth so that we may appreciate how drastically changed the world is.

Many years ago a certain American climber was imprisoned in Mexico. The story is after eight years
Mexico said they would release him. He opted to stay in prison. There he could get as many cheap
drugs as he needed, and there were connubial visits every week.

Why would I want to leave?

See what the US subsidy for corn production has cost us?
cuvvy

Sport climber
arkansas
Jan 31, 2013 - 01:49am PT
My dad and I cancelled a trip last year when we heard about some shootings in the Hidalgo main plaza. I know the plaza is still a couple miles from the climbing area, but we thought it might be better to go somewhere else. We stayed in the states and went to Hueco tancos! Which was quite nice.
Meatbird

Social climber
Lindsay, OK
Jan 31, 2013 - 08:16am PT
Gallo, I'm I reading the right story in Rock and Ice? The one in the front page news section. I'm bemused by your accusations against Raleigh's reporting. I didnt get the sense it was sensationalist. Frankly, I'm glad to get the heads up on a terrible incident that would give me pause before taking a trip there, especially with family in tow. Unless the facts are wrong, I don't know how he would have presented it any better.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Jan 31, 2013 - 08:44am PT
The 'its just as dangerous in LA' argument shows a lack of understanding of the drug war in Mexico. These gangs out gun the local cops, buy them off or kill them and intimidate or pay off the federales. The local reds and blues in the US run drugs, do some drivebys on rival gangs. There is no comparison.

Just because you haven't heard of gangs kidnapping Americans doesn't mean that it isn't going to start happening in the near future. Sure, keep pretending that PC is south Texas, you are perfectly safe, it's vacationland in a sea of bolts, nothing to worry about.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 31, 2013 - 09:24am PT
^It already started several years ago.


Trial Begins of AFO Cell in San Diego, Prosecutor: Victims Kidnapped and Dissolved in Acid

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2012/02/trial-begins-of-afo-cell-in-san-diego.html

trial ends

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/17/local/la-me-drug-murders-20120517
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 31, 2013 - 09:57am PT
I've spent time in Mexico, wandering into places I had no business wandering into. I love it there. I've not been at all intimidated by the cartel wars but perhaps in a few small towns I brazenly roamed, perhaps I should have been. I have 'a look' that could provoke a bad outcome, in certain quarters, I suppose.

Anyway, point is, the threat or risk of violence has not deterred me from visiting some very dangerous places, as a civilian, mind you.

I don't think I would visit Portrero Chico this year. Sorry, but 18 bodies in a nearby well MUST be taken as a warning. If you don't heed it or don't agree its a warning, fine, do what you're gonna do.

I'm just saying, for this traveler - 18 dead bodies in a well sends me a message I will heed.

Sorry Mexico. Sorry we f*#ked up your f*#ked up country a lot worse. You had it bad enough with the Spanish bastards.

DMT
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
...more murders in northern Mexico...

Does this really come as a suprise to anyone?

I feel much safer in Mexico than most places in LA.

L.A. is part of Mexico. I would feel safer in Syria than in L.A.

And I grew up in Oxnard.
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