18 murdered, dumped in portrero chico; climbers are fleeing


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Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 30, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
Phug That Shnitzel.

We've got impressive, safer places to climb in the states.


Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 30, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
Apparently some people have been bringing their trained attack dog to the crags around here. I guess South Lake is pretty close to Carson, so I'm not surprised.

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jan 30, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
Once the dogs have the bags taken out of them you can only guess what happens to them after that

Korean BBQ?
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Jan 30, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
So to link this to the Bad Kitty thread, which I admittedly started, when the question of invasive species came up, I expressed hope that the Florida python problem would abate.

But as some posters wrote on the thread and I have since researched a bit, those suckers are really taking over south Florida.

So the big question. Who will get wasted first? The pythons or the cartels (of Mexico and the world)?

Or will both problems persist for many moons to come?

A proud and stupid American who lives elsewhere.

Trad climber
Jan 30, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
Yes that's all true dirt cload but the point is gringo climbers aren't in that group. I'm not saying everything is great down here. What happened to the band is horrible whether they had cartel relations or not.

I'm not saying you should come here. I personally think it's safer for climbers now with less climbers. After watching a huge rock fall through a crowd of people on the Jungle Wall during the two crowded weeks near new years, I think the loose rocks on multi-pitch routes are the bullets that have come way closer to killing climbers here.

The title of this tread is false about climbers fleeing. Maybe a few people have left but as of yesterday climbers were still climbing. Also the bodies weren't dumped in Potrero it was Mina. Just trying to shed some truth on the situation, though


.....in a single wide......
Jan 30, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
Borderlandbeat.com is pretty amazing..

seems to be the best source for 411

Steven Amter

Washington, DC
Jan 30, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
This news article from the Toronto Star seems more detailed and up to date than most:


According to the article, which included quotes from a police spokesman, the band member who survived reported that "the 18 musicians and crew members were blindfolded and driven on dirt roads. He then heard the assailants ask fellow band members if they belonged to a drug cartel, shots were fired and the bodies were dumped into a well."

I don't think I'll be visiting too many live music venues when I'm down there next week...


Trad climber
Northern California
Jan 30, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
Climbers will be fine. No reason for the cartels to fuk with their paying customers... as long as they aren't sleeping with their women.

Yeah, I hear that cartels are very careful not to shoot yuppie/hippy gringoes because otherwise the police would get involved. And I'm sure that a Mexican willing to kill fellow Mexicans would probably have reservations about messing with some gringo tourist.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 30, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
the count of missing Americans in Mexico in 2008 was 69..Its way more than that now.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jan 30, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
Guardase maestro Amter!

And have fun!

We will be awaiting your TR so pull down for us, brother.


Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
Jan 30, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
19000 were killed in a year so add another 18 to it
Steven Amter

Washington, DC
Jan 30, 2013 - 07:49pm PT

Big John has my back!

SF bay area
Jan 30, 2013 - 08:19pm PT
And quite a few of those missing Amricans in Mexico are involved in the drug trade, like several in this article.


Big Wall climber
Jan 30, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
.Duane Raleigh:
Your article is very sensacionalist ( aka Tabloid).
you pick careully a single incident and some general statistical data and rush to write this down out of context, inducing the reader to panic without a point of reference... of the real situation and most important:
I was last winter in Potrero for a couple of months and things haven't change much since my last visit.
In the last years there are at least a couple hundreds of climbers per season who stay for several weeks at the area without recalling a single notorious incident and the locals (the good and the bad ones) naturally knows who are all this foreing people.
I will notice that you must exercise common sense visiting potrero like you will do in some other out of states adventorous climbing areas like south america or even europe.
Acurate, sencible information is crucial to succed as a climber.
As a columnist of this magazine you owe to the readers a sound judgement

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:28am PT
very sensacionalist ( aka Tabloid).
you pick careully a single incident a

Yeah, just a tiny little inconvenient incident, like EIGHTEEN PEOPLE BEING MURDERED AND HAVING THEIR BODIES dumped in your locale.

The notorious St. Valentine's Day Massacre in Chicago? Only 7 were killed and they were gang members. These were band members. BAND MEMBERS!

So tiny little "single incidents" like this tend to attract attention.

What a bullshit comment Gallo makes.

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:34am PT
What happens in Mexico stays in Mexico.

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:37am PT
Damn straight!


Jan 31, 2013 - 12:37am PT
An urban myth so that we may appreciate how drastically changed the world is.

Many years ago a certain American climber was imprisoned in Mexico. The story is after eight years
Mexico said they would release him. He opted to stay in prison. There he could get as many cheap
drugs as he needed, and there were connubial visits every week.

Why would I want to leave?

See what the US subsidy for corn production has cost us?

Sport climber
Jan 31, 2013 - 01:49am PT
My dad and I cancelled a trip last year when we heard about some shootings in the Hidalgo main plaza. I know the plaza is still a couple miles from the climbing area, but we thought it might be better to go somewhere else. We stayed in the states and went to Hueco tancos! Which was quite nice.

Social climber
Lindsay, OK
Jan 31, 2013 - 08:16am PT
Gallo, I'm I reading the right story in Rock and Ice? The one in the front page news section. I'm bemused by your accusations against Raleigh's reporting. I didnt get the sense it was sensationalist. Frankly, I'm glad to get the heads up on a terrible incident that would give me pause before taking a trip there, especially with family in tow. Unless the facts are wrong, I don't know how he would have presented it any better.
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