18 murdered, dumped in portrero chico; climbers are fleeing

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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 30, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
Climbers will be fine. No reason for the cartels to fuk with their paying customers... as long as they aren't sleeping with their women.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 30, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
^^^ That would be a decidedly unhealthy assumption to make and live by.
Psychos don't live by pat assumptions made by others.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 30, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
They aren't psychos, they are refined business men. Don't you ever watch gangster movies?
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 30, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/dog-fights-mexican-cartels_n_2564598.html?utm_hp_ref=latino-voices

Even worse than this, is they are now breeding dogs so they can insert bags of drugs inside them and then transport the dogs into the US. Once the dogs have the bags taken out of them you can only guess what happens to them after that. If they have no respect for human life, you can only imagine what they do to animals.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 30, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
Phug That Shnitzel.

We've got impressive, safer places to climb in the states.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 30, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
Apparently some people have been bringing their trained attack dog to the crags around here. I guess South Lake is pretty close to Carson, so I'm not surprised.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jan 30, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
Once the dogs have the bags taken out of them you can only guess what happens to them after that

Korean BBQ?
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 30, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
So to link this to the Bad Kitty thread, which I admittedly started, when the question of invasive species came up, I expressed hope that the Florida python problem would abate.

But as some posters wrote on the thread and I have since researched a bit, those suckers are really taking over south Florida.

So the big question. Who will get wasted first? The pythons or the cartels (of Mexico and the world)?

Or will both problems persist for many moons to come?

A proud and stupid American who lives elsewhere.
KRS-Grun

Trad climber
Jan 30, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
Yes that's all true dirt cload but the point is gringo climbers aren't in that group. I'm not saying everything is great down here. What happened to the band is horrible whether they had cartel relations or not.

I'm not saying you should come here. I personally think it's safer for climbers now with less climbers. After watching a huge rock fall through a crowd of people on the Jungle Wall during the two crowded weeks near new years, I think the loose rocks on multi-pitch routes are the bullets that have come way closer to killing climbers here.

The title of this tread is false about climbers fleeing. Maybe a few people have left but as of yesterday climbers were still climbing. Also the bodies weren't dumped in Potrero it was Mina. Just trying to shed some truth on the situation, though

Sewellymon

climber
.....in a single wide......
Jan 30, 2013 - 02:44pm PT
Borderlandbeat.com is pretty amazing..

seems to be the best source for 411

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2013/01/kombo-kolombia-band-tortured-and.html
Steven Amter

climber
Washington, DC
Jan 30, 2013 - 05:47pm PT
This news article from the Toronto Star seems more detailed and up to date than most:

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/01/28/bodies_found_in_well_where_mexican_band_went_missing.html

According to the article, which included quotes from a police spokesman, the band member who survived reported that "the 18 musicians and crew members were blindfolded and driven on dirt roads. He then heard the assailants ask fellow band members if they belonged to a drug cartel, shots were fired and the bodies were dumped into a well."

I don't think I'll be visiting too many live music venues when I'm down there next week...

Mr_T

Trad climber
Northern California
Jan 30, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
Climbers will be fine. No reason for the cartels to fuk with their paying customers... as long as they aren't sleeping with their women.

Yeah, I hear that cartels are very careful not to shoot yuppie/hippy gringoes because otherwise the police would get involved. And I'm sure that a Mexican willing to kill fellow Mexicans would probably have reservations about messing with some gringo tourist.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 30, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
the count of missing Americans in Mexico in 2008 was 69..Its way more than that now.
Steve Grossman

Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Jan 30, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
Guardase maestro Amter!

And have fun!

We will be awaiting your TR so pull down for us, brother.

Salud!
Majid_S

Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
Jan 30, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
19000 were killed in a year so add another 18 to it
Steven Amter

climber
Washington, DC
Jan 30, 2013 - 07:49pm PT
Steve:

Big John has my back!
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Jan 30, 2013 - 08:19pm PT
And quite a few of those missing Amricans in Mexico are involved in the drug trade, like several in this article.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/sep/27/local/me-bones27
gallo

Big Wall climber
Jan 30, 2013 - 11:51pm PT
.Duane Raleigh:
Your article is very sensacionalist ( aka Tabloid).
you pick careully a single incident and some general statistical data and rush to write this down out of context, inducing the reader to panic without a point of reference... of the real situation and most important:
DAMAGING THE IMAGE OF AN ENTIRE CLIMBING COMMUNITY.
I was last winter in Potrero for a couple of months and things haven't change much since my last visit.
In the last years there are at least a couple hundreds of climbers per season who stay for several weeks at the area without recalling a single notorious incident and the locals (the good and the bad ones) naturally knows who are all this foreing people.
I will notice that you must exercise common sense visiting potrero like you will do in some other out of states adventorous climbing areas like south america or even europe.
Acurate, sencible information is crucial to succed as a climber.
As a columnist of this magazine you owe to the readers a sound judgement
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:28am PT
very sensacionalist ( aka Tabloid).
you pick careully a single incident a

Yeah, just a tiny little inconvenient incident, like EIGHTEEN PEOPLE BEING MURDERED AND HAVING THEIR BODIES dumped in your locale.

The notorious St. Valentine's Day Massacre in Chicago? Only 7 were killed and they were gang members. These were band members. BAND MEMBERS!

So tiny little "single incidents" like this tend to attract attention.

What a bullshit comment Gallo makes.
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:34am PT
What happens in Mexico stays in Mexico.
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