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survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
Executive order is nothing new.

There are over 13,600 of them!!!
They date back to Abe Lincoln, a republican.

Check any year you want guys, jeesh....

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/executive_orders.php?year=2012&Submit=DISPLAY
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 13, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
Ron, executive order cannot CREATE law, congress does that.

Executive order can increase "enforcement" of an existing law.


Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jan 13, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
Oh, I see now, survival, if you "reauthorize" an unconstitutional law it doesn't count.

Yeah, that was a Bush administration law, Obama merely choose to sign off on its continuance. That makes it all better, whew . . .
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jan 13, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
My favorite "can-be-seen-as-republican" is Niccolo Machiavelli. Some may think he was also a fascist as a thinker.
Credit: Marlow
Credit: Marlow
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 13, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
Dude, take it up with someone who can help with that sort of thing.

Who is actually working to change this unconstitutional law?

Shouldn't the supreme court be overturning it?
dirtbag

climber
Jan 13, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
Credit: dirtbag
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jan 13, 2013 - 01:08pm PT
I'm sorry, survival, I realized I posted the same video twice.

And, I did confuse signing statements with executive orders. Thanks for setting me straight.

Re. the Patriot act this is the video I meant to post.

Dave, please note Obama implies the Patriot Act is an "end run" around the constitution. A statement with which I agree.

Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 13, 2013 - 01:10pm PT
Dave, do you think our government is following the constitution ok. Do you see any reason for concern? What's your thoughts on the Patriot act?

Like many others here, I believe that some aspects of the Patriot Act could be questionable per the Constitution. It is a tricky legal grey area that deals with different scopes of the military and law enforcement, which are respectively bound by different rules.

I'm not a lawyer, and don't have the knowledge to make a specific challenge to the Patriot Act, but I would like to see someone who does have the knowledge take it on.

That is why I began donating to the ACLU two years ago, because I believe they are the group that will be most effective in mounting a strong legal challenge to the Patriot Act and ensuring these questions are thoroughly vetted by the courts.

This is how the American system was designed to work.

Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Jan 13, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
I define fascism as politics, government and the broad attempt to control others colored by an anger that is seeping down into hate and the considerations that portions on humanity can only be controlled by force, threat of extermination and extermination.

Some fascists sit on a couch and spout vitriol about "those" people. You often feel dirty or much less happy after listening to them.

Fascist organizations seem to be quite sturdy in structure and always seem to be effectively busy violating basic human rights, often in very complex and covert ways that leave you with a feeling of being overwhelmed.



Positive and creative people make the real advances in civilization. Fascists undermine these and cause eventual collapse.
portent

climber
Jan 13, 2013 - 01:24pm PT
Archie Bunker

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 13, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
What's that got to do with fascism?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 13, 2013 - 02:35pm PT
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com/2013/01/common-knowledge-fascism.html#links
Chinchen

climber
Way out there....
Jan 13, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
Cragman.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jan 13, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
It's doubtful, and rather ahistorical, to characterize Attila the Hun or Temujin (Genghis Khan) as "fascists". They were authoritarian and autocratic, but only notable in that they were more successful in doing so than other peoples and leaders of the time. Fascism as it's understood now isn't really possible without a somewhat industrialized society, the modern nation state, etc. The first arguably fascistic states were those that arose in Europe in reaction to the French revolution and Napoleon, or perhaps after the revolts of 1848.
DanaB

climber
CT
Jan 13, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
Sam Walton
Edward Bernays
little Z

Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
Jan 13, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
from Wikipedia:

corporative organization of the economy that suppresses trade union liberty, broadens the sphere of state intervention, and seeks to achieve, by principles of technocracy and solidarity, the collaboration of the 'productive sectors' under control of the regime, to achieve its goals of power, yet preserving private property and class divisions;"

i.e. Goerge Steinbrenner
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Jan 13, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
Dick Cheney


He's my favorite fascist....

...to hate
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jan 13, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
with ya there slr
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Jan 13, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
Dick Cheney

never trust the guy who shoots his friends in the face..
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jan 13, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
Is that guy even human?
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