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Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 13, 2013 - 09:47am PT
So if Obama has done anything unconstitutional, why don't you Patriots take it up in the courts and have his actions overturned?

Don't have resources to file a lawsuit against the government?

Then donate to the ALCU - they do have the resources, if Americans support them.

You guys are doing something, right?



Oh yeah, I've already asked that one here....cue the cricket sounds.
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jan 13, 2013 - 09:50am PT
I would love to see the Patriot Act taken up by the courts.

Survival, I thought "interpretation" of legislation was the job of the judicial branch.

Dave, do you think our government is following the constitution ok. Do you see any reason for concern? What's your thoughts on the Patriot act?
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Jan 13, 2013 - 09:51am PT
John Major. A real bastard, but he was entertaining to watch on Questions to the Prime Minister.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 13, 2013 - 09:54am PT
Executive order is nothing new.

There are over 13,600 of them!!!
They date back to Abe Lincoln, a republican.

Check any year you want guys, jeesh....

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/executive_orders.php?year=2012&Submit=DISPLAY
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 13, 2013 - 09:55am PT
Some here keep going back to bush in comparison of obamas actions.. Yet that doesnt seem to sink in.. BUSHOBAMA-RAMA......


and he now threatens executive order on the Second Amendment on which he thoroughly plans to infringe upon..
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 13, 2013 - 10:00am PT
Ron, executive order cannot CREATE law, congress does that.

Executive order can increase "enforcement" of an existing law.


Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jan 13, 2013 - 10:00am PT
Oh, I see now, survival, if you "reauthorize" an unconstitutional law it doesn't count.

Yeah, that was a Bush administration law, Obama merely choose to sign off on its continuance. That makes it all better, whew . . .
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jan 13, 2013 - 10:01am PT
My favorite "can-be-seen-as-republican" is Niccolo Machiavelli. Some may think he was also a fascist as a thinker.
Credit: Marlow
Credit: Marlow
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 13, 2013 - 10:02am PT
Survival,, WHA?? try NDAA 2013.. we now have a "LAW" that says we can take anyone anywhere far from any war..
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 13, 2013 - 10:03am PT
Dude, take it up with someone who can help with that sort of thing.

Who is actually working to change this unconstitutional law?

Shouldn't the supreme court be overturning it?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 13, 2013 - 10:06am PT
Doood,, i have,, MULTIPLE times in fact. Suffice to say my efforts would have been better spent buying ammo..I get no answers, no return emails or even a kiss my rosey red.. Its as if those politician web sites are a simple vacume to suck up your complaints on put them in an air tight dust bag for easy disposal...
dirtbag

climber
Jan 13, 2013 - 10:08am PT
Credit: dirtbag
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jan 13, 2013 - 10:08am PT
I'm sorry, survival, I realized I posted the same video twice.

And, I did confuse signing statements with executive orders. Thanks for setting me straight.

Re. the Patriot act this is the video I meant to post.

Dave, please note Obama implies the Patriot Act is an "end run" around the constitution. A statement with which I agree.

Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 13, 2013 - 10:10am PT
Dave, do you think our government is following the constitution ok. Do you see any reason for concern? What's your thoughts on the Patriot act?

Like many others here, I believe that some aspects of the Patriot Act could be questionable per the Constitution. It is a tricky legal grey area that deals with different scopes of the military and law enforcement, which are respectively bound by different rules.

I'm not a lawyer, and don't have the knowledge to make a specific challenge to the Patriot Act, but I would like to see someone who does have the knowledge take it on.

That is why I began donating to the ACLU two years ago, because I believe they are the group that will be most effective in mounting a strong legal challenge to the Patriot Act and ensuring these questions are thoroughly vetted by the courts.

This is how the American system was designed to work.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 13, 2013 - 10:13am PT
Dave,, the American system was working fine as DESIGNED by the originators.. It IS NOT the American system to have to defend the constitution against radical changes. That is the thirst of executive powers by ALL in our govt.
That is PEOPLE deciding they are better and smarter than our Constitution against the grain of the rest of the people of which it serves.



edit: Gmarnin DIRT!!!
Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Jan 13, 2013 - 10:23am PT
I define fascism as politics, government and the broad attempt to control others colored by an anger that is seeping down into hate and the considerations that portions on humanity can only be controlled by force, threat of extermination and extermination.

Some fascists sit on a couch and spout vitriol about "those" people. You often feel dirty or much less happy after listening to them.

Fascist organizations seem to be quite sturdy in structure and always seem to be effectively busy violating basic human rights, often in very complex and covert ways that leave you with a feeling of being overwhelmed.



Positive and creative people make the real advances in civilization. Fascists undermine these and cause eventual collapse.
portent

climber
Jan 13, 2013 - 10:24am PT
Archie Bunker

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 13, 2013 - 11:14am PT
What's that got to do with fascism?
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 13, 2013 - 11:22am PT
Sorry to break up the party but most of these people are fascists only in the sense that the word has become a pejorative for authority of any kind.

Fascism itself is much more complicated than that- as an example Fascists actually support the proletariat and reject the bourgeois. Which means they support the working class(left wing) and reject the richer right wing class. A Fascist state also attempts to purge the weak. In actuality a fascist advocates an ends to a means in which the classes are combined to become one strong proletariat(working) class. Note, that this means there is not a lot of sympathy for the weak or the upper classes. That said their extreme use of Nationalist propaganda, war, and political violence makes them very right wing. So they are a combination between left wing and right wing forces. They advocate well regulated private enterprise and private property in the sense that it supports and furthers the interests of the State.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 13, 2013 - 11:35am PT
http://www.wordaroundthenet.com/2013/01/common-knowledge-fascism.html#links
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