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TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 13, 2013 - 10:40am PT
Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini


Hands down.
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Jan 13, 2013 - 10:42am PT
Dick Cheney
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jan 13, 2013 - 11:02am PT
Obama, ha ha!

Wakey wakey, eggs and bakey . . .
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 13, 2013 - 11:25am PT
Attila the Hun - probably the most successful.

Attila the Hun died unexpectedly in 453 at the age of 47, on his wedding night, allegedly MURDERED by his bride, a Burgundian Princess. His empire began disintegrating after his death,
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Jan 13, 2013 - 11:32am PT
Fatty!
"I prefer facism to socialism"
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 13, 2013 - 11:56am PT
Kim Jong Un, the sexiest man alive!
Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
Define it? Well, Democratic fascism could be described as a narcissistic leader exceeding his powers through the overuse of executive privilege;)

And my favorite fascist, is a dead fascist... Same for socialist leaders.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
Define it? Well, Democratic fascism could be described as a narcissistic leader exceeding his powers through the overuse of executive privilege;)


You mean like George W signing 291 executive orders?

Obama has signed 139 so far, so he's not on track to overtake Bush.

All this bullshit that Obama has signed 900 is just internet trash.

So easy to fact check.
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
He said he wouldn't use them.

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
which of course,, was BS.....

Which part of the constitution has he changed Ron?



He said he wouldn't use them.


Signing statements and executive orders aren't the same thing. You guys should really bone up on some basic research skills.

Much less well-known than the executive order is the presidential signing statement, which, as “a presidential power tool,” according to Phillip J. Cooper in his recent book, By Order of the President, is “relatively new and still evolving.”4 As defined by Cooper:
Presidential signing statements (PSSs) are announcements made by the president, usually prepared by the Justice Department, that go beyond merely lauding passage of a statute to identify provisions of the legislation with which the president has concerns. They also provide the president’s interpretation of the language of the law, announce constitutional limits on the implementation of some of its provisions, or indicate directions to executive branch officials as to how to administer the new law in an acceptable manner. So constituted, the signing statement has been used as a tool of presidential direct action since the Reagan administration.5
As with current executive orders, current presidential signing statements are available on the White House website. However, it is important to distinguish between the similarly-named public-oriented statement and the legal statement.
For instance, under “news” - March 9, 2006 are two distinct documents. One, “President Signs USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act”6 is the public statement, in the nature of a press release.
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Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:41pm PT

Here you go:




And then this:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/179/revise-the-patriot-act-to-increase-oversight-on-go/

On May 26, 2011, President Barack Obama signed a bill that reauthorized key elements of the Patriot Act. The bill called for a four-year renewal of some of the most controversial provisions of the surveillance legislation. While the bulk of the Patriot Act is steadfast law, there are certain measures that Congress must periodically reauthorize or else they expire. Among them is roving wiretaps, i.e., the ability of law enforcement officials to track targets if they change phones without law enforcement first consulting a judge.
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
Whatever, Dave. DBAD
Salamanizer

Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
You mean like George W signing 291 executive orders?


Yes! They're neck n neck. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Ohbummers orders are starting to get much more virulent though.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
Reach, he signed something that "reauthorized". I guess you missed that part. Happy to help.



Much less well-known than the executive order is the presidential signing statement, which, as “a presidential power tool,” according to Phillip J. Cooper in his recent book, By Order of the President, is “relatively new and still evolving.”4 As defined by Cooper:
Presidential signing statements (PSSs) are announcements made by the president, usually prepared by the Justice Department, that go beyond merely lauding passage of a statute to identify provisions of the legislation with which the president has concerns. They also provide the president’s interpretation of the language of the law, announce constitutional limits on the implementation of some of its provisions, or indicate directions to executive branch officials as to how to administer the new law in an acceptable manner. So constituted, the signing statement has been used as a tool of presidential direct action since the Reagan administration.5
As with current executive orders, current presidential signing statements are available on the White House website. However, it is important to distinguish between the similarly-named public-oriented statement and the legal statement.
For instance, under “news” - March 9, 2006 are two distinct documents. One, “President Signs USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act”6 is the public statement, in the nature of a press release.
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Salamander, they're not neck-n-neck. George is actually a full 20 ahead in the same period of time.

Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
I would love to see the Patriot Act taken up by the courts.

Survival, I thought "interpretation" of legislation was the job of the judicial branch.

Dave, do you think our government is following the constitution ok. Do you see any reason for concern? What's your thoughts on the Patriot act?
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
John Major. A real bastard, but he was entertaining to watch on Questions to the Prime Minister.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
Executive order is nothing new.

There are over 13,600 of them!!!
They date back to Abe Lincoln, a republican.

Check any year you want guys, jeesh....

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/executive_orders.php?year=2012&Submit=DISPLAY
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 13, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
Ron, executive order cannot CREATE law, congress does that.

Executive order can increase "enforcement" of an existing law.


Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jan 13, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
Oh, I see now, survival, if you "reauthorize" an unconstitutional law it doesn't count.

Yeah, that was a Bush administration law, Obama merely choose to sign off on its continuance. That makes it all better, whew . . .
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jan 13, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
My favorite "can-be-seen-as-republican" is Niccolo Machiavelli. Some may think he was also a fascist as a thinker.
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