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TwistedCrank
climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 13, 2013 - 10:40am PT
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Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini
Hands down.
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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Jan 13, 2013 - 10:42am PT
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Dick Cheney
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Jan 13, 2013 - 11:02am PT
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Obama, ha ha!
Wakey wakey, eggs and bakey . . .
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 13, 2013 - 11:25am PT
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Attila the Hun - probably the most successful.
Attila the Hun died unexpectedly in 453 at the age of 47, on his wedding night, allegedly MURDERED by his bride, a Burgundian Princess. His empire began disintegrating after his death,
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jan 13, 2013 - 11:32am PT
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Fatty!
"I prefer facism to socialism"
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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Jan 13, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
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Define it? Well, Democratic fascism could be described as a narcissistic leader exceeding his powers through the overuse of executive privilege;)
And my favorite fascist, is a dead fascist... Same for socialist leaders.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 13, 2013 - 12:22pm PT
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Define it? Well, Democratic fascism could be described as a narcissistic leader exceeding his powers through the overuse of executive privilege;)
You mean like George W signing 291 executive orders?
Obama has signed 139 so far, so he's not on track to overtake Bush.
All this bullshit that Obama has signed 900 is just internet trash.
So easy to fact check.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 13, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
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which of course,, was BS.....
Which part of the constitution has he changed Ron?
He said he wouldn't use them.
Signing statements and executive orders aren't the same thing. You guys should really bone up on some basic research skills.
Much less well-known than the executive order is the presidential signing statement, which, as “a presidential power tool,” according to Phillip J. Cooper in his recent book, By Order of the President, is “relatively new and still evolving.”4 As defined by Cooper:
Presidential signing statements (PSSs) are announcements made by the president, usually prepared by the Justice Department, that go beyond merely lauding passage of a statute to identify provisions of the legislation with which the president has concerns. They also provide the president’s interpretation of the language of the law, announce constitutional limits on the implementation of some of its provisions, or indicate directions to executive branch officials as to how to administer the new law in an acceptable manner. So constituted, the signing statement has been used as a tool of presidential direct action since the Reagan administration.5
As with current executive orders, current presidential signing statements are available on the White House website. However, it is important to distinguish between the similarly-named public-oriented statement and the legal statement.
For instance, under “news” - March 9, 2006 are two distinct documents. One, “President Signs USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act”6 is the public statement, in the nature of a press release.
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Jan 13, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
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Here you go:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
And then this:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/179/revise-the-patriot-act-to-increase-oversight-on-go/
On May 26, 2011, President Barack Obama signed a bill that reauthorized key elements of the Patriot Act. The bill called for a four-year renewal of some of the most controversial provisions of the surveillance legislation. While the bulk of the Patriot Act is steadfast law, there are certain measures that Congress must periodically reauthorize or else they expire. Among them is roving wiretaps, i.e., the ability of law enforcement officials to track targets if they change phones without law enforcement first consulting a judge.
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Jan 13, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
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Whatever, Dave. DBAD
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Salamanizer
Trad climber
The land of Fruits & Nuts!
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Jan 13, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
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You mean like George W signing 291 executive orders?
Yes! They're neck n neck. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Ohbummers orders are starting to get much more virulent though.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 13, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
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Reach, he signed something that "reauthorized". I guess you missed that part. Happy to help.
Much less well-known than the executive order is the presidential signing statement, which, as “a presidential power tool,” according to Phillip J. Cooper in his recent book, By Order of the President, is “relatively new and still evolving.”4 As defined by Cooper:
Presidential signing statements (PSSs) are announcements made by the president, usually prepared by the Justice Department, that go beyond merely lauding passage of a statute to identify provisions of the legislation with which the president has concerns. They also provide the president’s interpretation of the language of the law, announce constitutional limits on the implementation of some of its provisions, or indicate directions to executive branch officials as to how to administer the new law in an acceptable manner. So constituted, the signing statement has been used as a tool of presidential direct action since the Reagan administration.5
As with current executive orders, current presidential signing statements are available on the White House website. However, it is important to distinguish between the similarly-named public-oriented statement and the legal statement.
For instance, under “news” - March 9, 2006 are two distinct documents. One, “President Signs USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act”6 is the public statement, in the nature of a press release.
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Salamander, they're not neck-n-neck. George is actually a full 20 ahead in the same period of time.
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Jan 13, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
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I would love to see the Patriot Act taken up by the courts.
Survival, I thought "interpretation" of legislation was the job of the judicial branch.
Dave, do you think our government is following the constitution ok. Do you see any reason for concern? What's your thoughts on the Patriot act?
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Gary
Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
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Jan 13, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
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John Major. A real bastard, but he was entertaining to watch on Questions to the Prime Minister.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 13, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
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Ron, executive order cannot CREATE law, congress does that.
Executive order can increase "enforcement" of an existing law.
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Reeotch
Trad climber
4 Corners Area
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Jan 13, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
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Oh, I see now, survival, if you "reauthorize" an unconstitutional law it doesn't count.
Yeah, that was a Bush administration law, Obama merely choose to sign off on its continuance. That makes it all better, whew . . .
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jan 13, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
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My favorite "can-be-seen-as-republican" is Niccolo Machiavelli. Some may think he was also a fascist as a thinker.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 13, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
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Dude, take it up with someone who can help with that sort of thing.
Who is actually working to change this unconstitutional law?
Shouldn't the supreme court be overturning it?
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