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Way out there....
Jan 13, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
Mighty Hiker

Vancouver, B.C.
Jan 13, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
It's doubtful, and rather ahistorical, to characterize Attila the Hun or Temujin (Genghis Khan) as "fascists". They were authoritarian and autocratic, but only notable in that they were more successful in doing so than other peoples and leaders of the time. Fascism as it's understood now isn't really possible without a somewhat industrialized society, the modern nation state, etc. The first arguably fascistic states were those that arose in Europe in reaction to the French revolution and Napoleon, or perhaps after the revolts of 1848.

Jan 13, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
Sam Walton
Edward Bernays
little Z

Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
Jan 13, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
from Wikipedia:

corporative organization of the economy that suppresses trade union liberty, broadens the sphere of state intervention, and seeks to achieve, by principles of technocracy and solidarity, the collaboration of the 'productive sectors' under control of the regime, to achieve its goals of power, yet preserving private property and class divisions;"

i.e. Goerge Steinbrenner
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Jan 13, 2013 - 02:46pm PT

Or Braun.. its a toss up
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Jan 13, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
Dick Cheney

He's my favorite fascist....

...to hate

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jan 13, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
with ya there slr

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Jan 13, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
Dick Cheney

never trust the guy who shoots his friends in the face..

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jan 13, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
Is that guy even human?

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
Jan 13, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
I don't know but I'm on the schedule to clean his house next week. I may ask to be pulled from that one.

Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
I don't know but I'm on the schedule to clean his house next week

Can't you just have an "accident" there?

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chingadero de chula vista
Jan 13, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
Sorry to break up the party but most of these people are fascists only in the sense that the word has become a pejorative for authority of any kind.

Probably call these folks nihilsts or anarchists.

The ones on this thread may be better termed sociopaths. Not locker and Herrr Braun.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 13, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
Without question it is the modern American Republican


Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 13, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
Anybody see Starship Troopers?

The director, Paul V, was trying to say that war makes fascists of us all.

Jan 13, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
Newt Gingrich.

Am I showing my blue underwear again?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Jan 13, 2013 - 07:50pm PT
The director, Paul V, was trying to say that war makes fascists of us all.

Or more like authoritarians. For good reason too. When the chips are down during times of war its hard to imagine any other way.

I mean real war too, not this foreign adventure stuff.

The thing is if war (or any other crisis) never ends, then authoritarianism should also never end.....

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 14, 2013 - 06:10am PT
From TGT's link - deserves repeating.

or a more detailed examination of the history of Fascism, read my essay on the topic, but in brief, fascism holds certain specific policy and ideology positions:
•Nationalism; the supremacy of the given nation of culture that it arises in. Other cultures and peoples are inferior to the chosen one.
•Totalitarianism; the obedience and even veneration of a single strong leader. This one person has the vision, will, and right ideas to lead the world to a better future and must be obeyed without question.
•Single Party State; the dominant party can have no rivals. Only one party is allowed power because they are the ones with the correct ideas and the will to implement them.
•Dictatorship; there is no vote or citizen power, only orders from the all-powerful government.
•Authoritarian Democracy; the government claims to represent various sections of society equally.
•Social Darwinism; wherein superior groups and cultural movements eclipse and replace weaker, inferior ones. Corrupt or inferior social groups and movements are destroyed to make way for the superior.
•Militarism; the military as an expression of strength and state will is venerated and given asolute power, and is a major portion of the economy.
•The New Man; an idea that through proper policy, breeding, and cultural darwinism, a better humanity will result. This is usually tied to evolution, with the idea of some humans being more evolved than others.
•The Will to Power; from Friedrich Nietzsche who explained that life is meaningless and only those with the strongest will who will enforce their ideas on reality are fit to lead.
•The Third Position; fascists rejected capitalism and communism both as failed and weak, claiming they had a third way blending parts of both with a new system.
•Socialism; fascists to various degrees socialized portions of the economy, and all businesses were under the absolute control of an unquestioned central state.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 14, 2013 - 06:14am PT
Something interesting that is missed in just about every graphic and political discussion is that the right and the left is not properly represented by a line. It is actually a circle and at the top the left and right join and become indistinguishable.

Chinchen jokes - Fascist has become an insult but it is really just an advanced Nationalistic, violent and very controlling form of government.
Nationalism alone is a very complex subject - i remember having to think about it for years in my early 30's before i fully understood what it meant. With no insult intended Cragman does fit the classic and complex definition of a fascist very well. What is left of the modern republican party is remarkably fascist.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 14, 2013 - 06:38am PT
And here - in TGT's link - we hit on the greatest problem in fascist modern America and the world for that matter.

Instead of a free market, this cronyism creates a market controlled by the central government in cooperation with massively powerful businesses. Competition is destroyed, innovation crushed, and the biggest, most powerful businesses are almost totally free to do whatever they wish. In the name of economic growth and progress toward the new man, these businesses had almost total freedom because the regulations they worked with the government to create were not burdensome to them - and sometimes didn't even apply.

Kennewick wa
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:41am PT
what happened to Weege's wise crack?

Did the Mrs. see it?
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