Who's you favorite fascist?


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Mighty Hiker

Vancouver, B.C.
Jan 13, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
It's doubtful, and rather ahistorical, to characterize Attila the Hun or Temujin (Genghis Khan) as "fascists". They were authoritarian and autocratic, but only notable in that they were more successful in doing so than other peoples and leaders of the time. Fascism as it's understood now isn't really possible without a somewhat industrialized society, the modern nation state, etc. The first arguably fascistic states were those that arose in Europe in reaction to the French revolution and Napoleon, or perhaps after the revolts of 1848.

Jan 13, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
Sam Walton
Edward Bernays
little Z

Trad climber
un cafetal en Naranjo
Jan 13, 2013 - 02:45pm PT
from Wikipedia:

corporative organization of the economy that suppresses trade union liberty, broadens the sphere of state intervention, and seeks to achieve, by principles of technocracy and solidarity, the collaboration of the 'productive sectors' under control of the regime, to achieve its goals of power, yet preserving private property and class divisions;"

i.e. Goerge Steinbrenner
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Jan 13, 2013 - 02:46pm PT

Or Braun.. its a toss up
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Jan 13, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
Dick Cheney

He's my favorite fascist....

...to hate

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jan 13, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
with ya there slr

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Jan 13, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
Dick Cheney

never trust the guy who shoots his friends in the face..

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Jan 13, 2013 - 05:27pm PT
Is that guy even human?

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
Jan 13, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
I don't know but I'm on the schedule to clean his house next week. I may ask to be pulled from that one.

Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
I don't know but I'm on the schedule to clean his house next week

Can't you just have an "accident" there?

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 13, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
Sorry to break up the party but most of these people are fascists only in the sense that the word has become a pejorative for authority of any kind.

Probably call these folks nihilsts or anarchists.

The ones on this thread may be better termed sociopaths. Not locker and Herrr Braun.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 13, 2013 - 07:38pm PT
Anybody see Starship Troopers?

The director, Paul V, was trying to say that war makes fascists of us all.

Jan 13, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
Newt Gingrich.

Am I showing my blue underwear again?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Jan 13, 2013 - 07:50pm PT
The director, Paul V, was trying to say that war makes fascists of us all.

Or more like authoritarians. For good reason too. When the chips are down during times of war its hard to imagine any other way.

I mean real war too, not this foreign adventure stuff.

The thing is if war (or any other crisis) never ends, then authoritarianism should also never end.....


Kennewick wa
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:41am PT
what happened to Weege's wise crack?

Did the Mrs. see it?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:46am PT
Hossjulia, your diatribe wins: "Hands up, MF." Highly entertaining, sorry for your grief, gal.

Favorite Asshole/Fascist/Liar is Hafez al-Assad, the daddy of the current asshate in charge of Syria. Not for much longer, I hope.

What's with all the O-bashing, men? He's gone in three and a half. Find a target for your ire that's not running my country, OK? You think your BS is gonna change ANYTHING?

IF My President is a dreaded fascist, and IF he starts putting my friends in jail, THEN we can do something, and it's called TAKING IT TO THE STREETS. So sit on it, fools.

Kennewick wa
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:56am PT
You mean like George W signing 291 executive orders?

You mean like Bill Clinton signing 364 executive orders?


Still far behind the King - FDR had over 3700. One even "relocated" those evil Japanese living here. But it's all good - he had a D after his name.

Dave Kos

Trad climber
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:25am PT
Fox News and Limbaugh tell them that Executive Orders are some new trick devised by Obama Hitler.

And they all fall in line, obey their orders, and carry on with the usual hysteria.

None bother to ask what an executive order actually is, whether they are unique to any administration or president.

None even consider history - that they started with George Washington himself.

Why should they? Murdoch and Limbaugh tell them that Executive Orders are some devilry conjured up by the Antichrist himself.

And they all fall in line.

Nationalism, patriotism, religion -- a blind, ignorant obedience toward those who invoke these things with the most zeal.

I think we have our definition now.

A brilliant example of fascism.


Kennewick wa
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:32am PT
Actually Dave, not true. There was a lot of discussion about EOs during the Clinton administration. Which always struck me as funny since Reagan had more than Clinton.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
Jan 14, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
The Bush Family

The father of Bush I, Prescott Bush led an attempted Fascist cup on FDR.
The Bush Family made it's rich's on financing the Nazi War machine


BBC: Bush's Grandfather Planned Fascist Coup In America
New investigation sheds light on clique of powerbrokers, including Prescott Bush, who sought to overthrow U.S. government and implement Hitlerian policies

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, July 24, 2007

A BBC Radio 4 investigation sheds new light on a major subject that has received little historical attention, the conspiracy on behalf of a group of influential powerbrokers, led by Prescott Bush, to overthrow FDR and implement a fascist dictatorship in the U.S. based around the ideology of Mussolini and Hitler.

In 1933, Marine Corps Maj.-Gen. Smedley Butler was approached by a wealthy and secretive group of industrialists and bankers, including Prescott Bush the current President's grandfather, who asked him to command a 500,000 strong rogue army of veterans that would help stage a coup to topple then President Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

According to the BBC, the plotters intended to impose a fascist takeover and "Adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression."

The conspirators were operating under the umbrella of a front group called the American Liberty League, which included many families that are still household names today, including Heinz, Colgate, Birds Eye and General Motors.

Butler played along with the clique to determine who was involved but later blew the whistle and identified the ringleaders in testimony given to the House Committee on un-American Activities.

However, the Committee refused to even question any of the individuals named by Butler and his testimony was omitted from the record, leading to charges that they were involved in covering the matter up, and the majority of the media blackballed the story.

General Smedley Butler, author of the famous quote "war is a racket", exposed the fascist plotters but was subsequently demonized and shunned by the government and the media.

In 1936, William Dodd, the U.S. Ambassador to Germany, wrote a letter to President Roosevelt in which he stated,

"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime.... A prominent executive of one of the largest corporations, told me point blank that he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism into America if President Roosevelt continued his progressive policies. Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there. Propagandists for fascist groups try to dismiss the fascist scare. We should be aware of the symptoms. When industrialists ignore laws designed for social and economic progress they will seek recourse to a fascist state when the institutions of our government compel them to comply with the provisions."

The proven record of Prescott Bush's involvement in financing the Nazi war machine dovetails with the fact that he was part of a criminal cabal that actively sought to impose a fascist coup in America.

Prescott did not succeed but many would argue that two generations down the line the mission has all but been accomplished.

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