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mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jan 14, 2013 - 06:46am PT
Hossjulia, your diatribe wins: "Hands up, MF." Highly entertaining, sorry for your grief, gal.

Favorite Asshole/Fascist/Liar is Hafez al-Assad, the daddy of the current asshate in charge of Syria. Not for much longer, I hope.

What's with all the O-bashing, men? He's gone in three and a half. Find a target for your ire that's not running my country, OK? You think your BS is gonna change ANYTHING?

IF My President is a dreaded fascist, and IF he starts putting my friends in jail, THEN we can do something, and it's called TAKING IT TO THE STREETS. So sit on it, fools.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Jan 14, 2013 - 06:56am PT
You mean like George W signing 291 executive orders?

You mean like Bill Clinton signing 364 executive orders?

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/clinton.html


Still far behind the King - FDR had over 3700. One even "relocated" those evil Japanese living here. But it's all good - he had a D after his name.

Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 14, 2013 - 07:25am PT
Fox News and Limbaugh tell them that Executive Orders are some new trick devised by Obama Hitler.

And they all fall in line, obey their orders, and carry on with the usual hysteria.

None bother to ask what an executive order actually is, whether they are unique to any administration or president.

None even consider history - that they started with George Washington himself.

Why should they? Murdoch and Limbaugh tell them that Executive Orders are some devilry conjured up by the Antichrist himself.

And they all fall in line.

Nationalism, patriotism, religion -- a blind, ignorant obedience toward those who invoke these things with the most zeal.

I think we have our definition now.

A brilliant example of fascism.

Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Jan 14, 2013 - 07:32am PT
Actually Dave, not true. There was a lot of discussion about EOs during the Clinton administration. Which always struck me as funny since Reagan had more than Clinton.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:06am PT
The Bush Family

The father of Bush I, Prescott Bush led an attempted Fascist cup on FDR.
The Bush Family made it's rich's on financing the Nazi War machine

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/240707fascistcoup.htm

BBC: Bush's Grandfather Planned Fascist Coup In America
New investigation sheds light on clique of powerbrokers, including Prescott Bush, who sought to overthrow U.S. government and implement Hitlerian policies

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, July 24, 2007


A BBC Radio 4 investigation sheds new light on a major subject that has received little historical attention, the conspiracy on behalf of a group of influential powerbrokers, led by Prescott Bush, to overthrow FDR and implement a fascist dictatorship in the U.S. based around the ideology of Mussolini and Hitler.

In 1933, Marine Corps Maj.-Gen. Smedley Butler was approached by a wealthy and secretive group of industrialists and bankers, including Prescott Bush the current President's grandfather, who asked him to command a 500,000 strong rogue army of veterans that would help stage a coup to topple then President Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

According to the BBC, the plotters intended to impose a fascist takeover and "Adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression."


The conspirators were operating under the umbrella of a front group called the American Liberty League, which included many families that are still household names today, including Heinz, Colgate, Birds Eye and General Motors.

Butler played along with the clique to determine who was involved but later blew the whistle and identified the ringleaders in testimony given to the House Committee on un-American Activities.

However, the Committee refused to even question any of the individuals named by Butler and his testimony was omitted from the record, leading to charges that they were involved in covering the matter up, and the majority of the media blackballed the story.


General Smedley Butler, author of the famous quote "war is a racket", exposed the fascist plotters but was subsequently demonized and shunned by the government and the media.

In 1936, William Dodd, the U.S. Ambassador to Germany, wrote a letter to President Roosevelt in which he stated,

"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime.... A prominent executive of one of the largest corporations, told me point blank that he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism into America if President Roosevelt continued his progressive policies. Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there. Propagandists for fascist groups try to dismiss the fascist scare. We should be aware of the symptoms. When industrialists ignore laws designed for social and economic progress they will seek recourse to a fascist state when the institutions of our government compel them to comply with the provisions."

The proven record of Prescott Bush's involvement in financing the Nazi war machine dovetails with the fact that he was part of a criminal cabal that actively sought to impose a fascist coup in America.

Prescott did not succeed but many would argue that two generations down the line the mission has all but been accomplished.

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:09am PT
You mean like Bill Clinton signing 364 executive orders?

Exactly. My point was going after the current conspiracy bullschit lie madness circulating that O has signed over 900 and that he is trying to become a dictator. I was only trying to point out that King George signed his share of them. But these shadow smokers don't listen anyway.....
Like a bunch of gawdamn paranoid meth freaks.

13,700 exec orders since Lincoln? Apparently they're not that gawdamn dangerous to the root of the nation.

dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:12am PT


Three Ways Obama Carried Bush’s Tyrannical Torch, in Just One Week
John Glaser, January 03, 2013

Credit: dirt claud


If one were looking for a way to demonstrate how faithfully the Obama administration had carried on the legacy of the Bush administration, this past week takes the cake, and no, I’m not talking about making Bush tax cuts on the middle class permanent.

In a matter of four days, President Obama ushered in three landmark decisions that further institutionalized the Bush administration’s penchant for abridging civil liberties in the name of national security, all the while making us less safe.

1. Warrantless wiretapping of American citizens: On Sunday, Obama signed into law a renewal of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008, which authorizes broad, warrantless surveillance of Americans’ international communications, checked only by a secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that doesn’t make it’s activities and procedures available to the public.

Obama voted for the FISA Amendments Act as a senator, but with expressed reservations about “President Bush’s abuse of executive power,” and the constitutional protections that the warrantless surveillance program offended. As President, though, Obama has turned into a staunch supporter of these legally questionable abuses of executive power.

Justice Department documents released in September in litigation brought by the ACLU showed “that federal law enforcement agencies are increasingly monitoring Americans’ electronic communications, and doing so without warrants, sufficient oversight, or meaningful accountability.”

“Part of the problem is much of this is being done in secret and there’s very little oversight or accountability,” NSA whistleblower Nick Drake told Al Jazeera recently. “It was just stunning when I found out that the White House had entered into a secret agreement with the National Security Agency to completely bypass the FISA, and by bypassing it they turned the USA into the equivalent of a foreign nation for the purposes of dragnet, blanket electronic surveillance…in secret.”

Even though the government has acknowledged that the secretive program has exceeded its legal limits, violating Americans’ Fourth Amendment constitutional rights, the Obama administration has aggressively refused to allow any checks and balances on the program, even refusing congressional requests to disclose how many Americans have been spied on.

2. Indefinite detention without charge or trial: On Wednesday, Obama signed the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act into law. The 680-page omnibus bill contains more military and national security provisions than any one person can account for, but it notably renews the prohibition against transferring detainees from Guantanamo Bay to the US for any purpose, a measure which again prevents Obama from fulfilling his pledge to close the black hole detention center.

Obama initially threatened a veto of the bill due to this provision, but the threat proved a false one. In a signing statement, Obama said he disagreed with the provision, despite his signing it into law.

But it’s difficult to take his stated reservations seriously. Back in 2010, the President signed an executive order that “establishe[d] indefinite detention as a long-term Obama administration policy and [made] clear that the White House alone will manage a review process for those it chooses to hold without charge or trial,” reported ProPublica at the time.

And in last year’s NDAA, there were even more controversial provisions suggesting American citizens, detained on US soil, can be locked up without charge or trial as enemy combatants. The constitutionality of those provisions, which advocates say are acceptable under the 2001 AUMF, is still being fought out in the US court of appeals.

In Afghanistan, too, the Obama era has meant mere suspects can be locked away without charge or trial in abusive detention camps, mostly in secret. The US military’s increased use of night raids led to a huge surge in detainees, very few of whom have had any evidence placed against them. The Obama administration has had them sent to Bagram to be held for indefinite detention without charge or trial, which Daphne Eviatar, an attorney for Human Rights First, has described as “worse than Guantanamo, because there are fewer rights.”

The Washington Post reported on Tuesday that the practice of extraordinary rendition, wherein suspects are captured and transferred to another country to be held without charge or trial, is “taking on renewed significance” under Obama.

3. Targeted killings of suspects by drone, without any pretense of due process (even if they are US citizens) remains none of the American people’s business.

One could argue that Obama doesn’t support indefinite detention as much as Bush did, since he supports killing suspects before the issue of detention ever arises.

On Wednesday, a federal judge sided with the Obama administration in a case brought by The New York Times in which the latter was demanding that more information about the legality of the drone war be disclosed.

In terms of carrying on the legacy of the Bush administration, this one is a double-whammy. Not only did Obama expand Bush’s covert drone program exponentially, but he’s doing so by shutting out any judicial scrutiny by claiming disclosures would harm national security, a tactic called ‘state secrets privileges’ which was pioneered by the Bush administration.

US District Judge Colleen McMahon in Manhattan appeared reluctant in her ruling, noting she “can find no way around the thicket of laws and precedents that effectively allow the executive branch of our government to proclaim as perfectly lawful certain actions that seem on their face incompatible with our Constitution and laws while keeping the reasons for their conclusion a secret.”

“The Alice-in-Wonderland nature of this pronouncement is not lost on me,” McMahon said, referring to the nightmarish wonderland in which people are sentenced to death before a verdict from a jury is in.

The Obama administration has continued its dramatic increase in the use of armed drones to target and kill mostly unnamed people, primarily in Yemen and Pakistan. When a high-profile terrorist suspect is killed, the Obama administration openly discusses the success of the drone program. But when journalists and civil liberties groups ask tough, scrutinizing questions about the legality of the program, the administration gets away with ignoring their requests for information, claiming the program is secret.

Meanwhile, a report by researchers at the Stanford and NYU schools of law found in September that the drone program is “terrorizing” the people of Pakistan and that it is having “counterproductive” effects.

In Yemen, drone attacks are dramatically increasing, bombing the country over 42 times in 2012, up from an estimated 10 incidents in 2011, and killing at least 223 people. Virtually all of the victims’ indentities remain classified, thanks to the Obama administration, and al-Qaeda recruitment continues to grow in Yemen because of disgruntled locals who resent their families and tribes being relentlessly bombed and killed by the hundreds.

The Washington Post reported last week, the Yemeni government as a policy tries to conceal when US drones kill civilians, instead automatically and systematically describing the victims as al-Qaeda militants, regardless of the truth.

“Our entire village is angry at the government and the Americans,” a Yemeni villager named Mohammed told the Post. “If the Americans are responsible, I would have no choice but to sympathize with al-Qaeda because al-Qaeda is fighting America.”

It’s become almost trite to argue the continuities between Bush and Obama. But this week has been so detrimental to individual liberties and so favorable to never-ending, unaccountable secret war, that it’s hard to imagine we ever extricated ourselves from those dark days of post-9/11 tyranny.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:18am PT
that it’s hard to imagine we ever extricated ourselves from those dark days of post-9/11 tyranny.


Did we?
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:24am PT
Not sure, but what do you have to say to Obama pretty much continuing the Bush years. Don't know what makes this guy so flawless in the eyes of so many here.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:34am PT
Not sure, but what do you have to say to Obama pretty much continuing the Bush years. Don't know what makes this guy so flawless in the eyes of so many here.


I'd say there are too many ways that he's NOT continuing the Bush years. Yes, erosion of civil liberties worries me, as it should worry anyone. But anyone that wants to blame the end of America on this guy is smoking too much meth. He has fought with the biggest recession since the depression, fought to extricate us from two wars, brought us back out of the dark ages in global standing. He brings women, whites, Latinos, blacks, gays and more together in a way Bush never did. I don't think anyone said flawless. That's what I say.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:47am PT
If anything, Obama is too soft. When dealing with idiots, sometimes you just need to tell them: MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:49am PT
Not saying he is causing the end of America, just contributing to it IMO. He is no different then the rest. Is there a time limit on how long it will all be Bushs' fault, or it could be 20 years from now and it's still his fault. Loved seeing how my paycheck went down this week after the lying sack of sh#t told me no higher taxes in the middle class. Funny how Bush got burned by the media when he proclaimed his "no new taxes" but the Messiah gets away with it no problem. I'm disgusted more by the apathy and worshiping of this imperfect human being more than the man himself. No different than those Bush bots who could not see Bush do any wrong, only this time you have the media ball cupping Obama all day long.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:51am PT
Fattrad.....bring him back!
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:53am PT
DirtClaud,
Welcome to the Obama Haters Club.

You've got plenty of crazy co-members.

It will take a while to get your card processed. There are so many folks in Redville ahead of you.

Spend the time wisely and stock up on end of times supplies at ReturnOfTheSonDotCom.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:53am PT
How dare I post my opinion. Now I'm worse than Fattrad, you people are children sometimes.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:54am PT
Who said you couldn't post your opinion?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 14, 2013 - 09:59am PT
Im wondering when some will realize that Obama is Bush, in a different shade of skin..
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:01am PT
I'm wondering when you will recognize that he's not.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:02am PT
Can't say that I agree with you Ron.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:03am PT
With Republicans opposing everything Obama is proposing, it is amazing how much he has actually accomplished.
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