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survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
Not sure, but what do you have to say to Obama pretty much continuing the Bush years. Don't know what makes this guy so flawless in the eyes of so many here.


I'd say there are too many ways that he's NOT continuing the Bush years. Yes, erosion of civil liberties worries me, as it should worry anyone. But anyone that wants to blame the end of America on this guy is smoking too much meth. He has fought with the biggest recession since the depression, fought to extricate us from two wars, brought us back out of the dark ages in global standing. He brings women, whites, Latinos, blacks, gays and more together in a way Bush never did. I don't think anyone said flawless. That's what I say.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 14, 2013 - 12:47pm PT
If anything, Obama is too soft. When dealing with idiots, sometimes you just need to tell them: MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 14, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
Not saying he is causing the end of America, just contributing to it IMO. He is no different then the rest. Is there a time limit on how long it will all be Bushs' fault, or it could be 20 years from now and it's still his fault. Loved seeing how my paycheck went down this week after the lying sack of sh#t told me no higher taxes in the middle class. Funny how Bush got burned by the media when he proclaimed his "no new taxes" but the Messiah gets away with it no problem. I'm disgusted more by the apathy and worshiping of this imperfect human being more than the man himself. No different than those Bush bots who could not see Bush do any wrong, only this time you have the media ball cupping Obama all day long.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 14, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
Fattrad.....bring him back!
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
DirtClaud,
Welcome to the Obama Haters Club.

You've got plenty of crazy co-members.

It will take a while to get your card processed. There are so many folks in Redville ahead of you.

Spend the time wisely and stock up on end of times supplies at ReturnOfTheSonDotCom.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 14, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
How dare I post my opinion. Now I'm worse than Fattrad, you people are children sometimes.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
Who said you couldn't post your opinion?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 14, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
Im wondering when some will realize that Obama is Bush, in a different shade of skin..
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
I'm wondering when you will recognize that he's not.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
Can't say that I agree with you Ron.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
With Republicans opposing everything Obama is proposing, it is amazing how much he has actually accomplished.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
He said he would cut the deficit in half his first term, knowing very well what it was.. He has INCREASED it, and will more than likely use executive order to abolish the debt ceiling..He said he would close gitmo, and its busier than ever. He now wants increased debt without a decrease in spending. He FURTHERED the patriot act with the NDAA2013 laws. That defense bill also includes wording of a budget for an attack on Iran, so it seems he follows Bush tactics in illegal wars as well.. How does one pre-plan a budget for a "war" anyhow? He put in place the muslim brotherhood which he admits "working with" and yet that is the organization that threatens us daily and in every country they are in power, the results have been utter chaos. So the hatred for America grows just like it did under Bush and for good reason..,. Sorry,, but Bo is GB.. Just different epidermis.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
Ok, I won't act like a bitch, your right Survival, I can post my opinion. I'll just be insulted if it doesn't fall in line with the liberal ST crowd. I can take it, don't get me wrong, otherwise I would not post. It's just that, all knowing, self righteous, we are right, you are wrong and we know that for a fact and would bet my life on it attitude, some of you have. If people don't agree with you, they are idiots, bottom line. Not really the way I prefer to live my life. The comparison to Fattrad is laughable. Though I liked his non-political side, he worshipped Bush and the GOP the way you guys worship Obama. I would say he is more like you guys than me. Anyways, back to the ball cupping . I'll leave Obummer alone so you all will feel better.
Just to stay on topic though I will say one of the worst fascists IMO was Pol Pot.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
To the extent that the Pol Pot regime had an ideology, it was nihilist. There were strong strains of nihilism in Nazi Germany also. Fascism really isn't an applicable concept for a largely pre-industrial state taken over by paranoid reactionaries.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
Dirt, I appreciate your reasoned posts and efforts at balance.

I for one have never called Obama perfect, or messiah or gawd or any such thing.

But I do feel the need to defend him against racist, conspiracy lunatics accusing him of trying to take over the country and have Rushmore replaced with an image of himself alone. Keep this in mind, I'm not speaking of you specifically when I say this.

I have a relative who has sent me mountains of email accusing him of abolishing the constitution, banning all private firearms, repainting Air Force One, Being born in Kenya, Being Muslim, Hating America, being the leader of a secret sect of muslims taking over the world, etc.

If you are a reasonable man who just wants to talk about right and wrong policy, I'm here for you.

If you are someone who believes that Obama loves America less than all previous presidents, or is part of some nefarious plot, I wash my hands.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:38pm PT
Than what was Lenin? Perhaps I'm ignorant to this, but I was under the impression Russia was pretty non-industrial prior to Lenin/Stalin. Of course it all depends on how you view Lenin. Some would say he was a great Socialist leader, I would call him a fascist who murdered many in the name of Communism. I've read a number of books, articles that label Pol Pot as a fascist, but as I said, I might be ignorant on some facts here. By no means am I a History intellectual.

Edit: Response appreciated Survival.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
hey you two get a room eh!? ;^)


Survival,, in Egypt they are really lovin that brotherhood! KNOTT! They wonder why Obama would help put them in charge. Can you imagine being them?
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
Don't know what makes this guy so flawless in the eyes of so many here.

Nobody ever claimed he was flawless - that's just tired old strawman that some folks use to dumb-down the discussion.

I do say that he is a competent executive whose values are mostly aligned with my own, and by far the best available alternative for the job.



I don't have a problem with anyone posting their opinion, but I do take issue when they try to post mine.
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
[...] Russia was pretty non-industrial prior to Lenin/Stalin.


Russia was very much a participant in the industrial revolution, and the conditions that arose from industrialization were a big contributor to the unrest that led to the communist revolution.

Lenin was a thug and a tyrant, but not many political scientists would call him a fascist.

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
Survival,, in Egypt they are really lovin that brotherhood! KNOTT! They wonder why Obama would help put them in charge. Can you imagine being them?

Ummmm, believe it or KNOTT ron, they actually VOTED them in.
I wasn't aware that Obama put them in charge by himself.
Please tell me how he did that, and what it has to do with my previous post.

I'll go get ready at the handwashing station.
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