Who's you favorite fascist?


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Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
Who said you couldn't post your opinion?

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:01pm PT
I'm wondering when you will recognize that he's not.

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
Can't say that I agree with you Ron.

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
With Republicans opposing everything Obama is proposing, it is amazing how much he has actually accomplished.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
Ok, I won't act like a bitch, your right Survival, I can post my opinion. I'll just be insulted if it doesn't fall in line with the liberal ST crowd. I can take it, don't get me wrong, otherwise I would not post. It's just that, all knowing, self righteous, we are right, you are wrong and we know that for a fact and would bet my life on it attitude, some of you have. If people don't agree with you, they are idiots, bottom line. Not really the way I prefer to live my life. The comparison to Fattrad is laughable. Though I liked his non-political side, he worshipped Bush and the GOP the way you guys worship Obama. I would say he is more like you guys than me. Anyways, back to the ball cupping . I'll leave Obummer alone so you all will feel better.
Just to stay on topic though I will say one of the worst fascists IMO was Pol Pot.
Mighty Hiker

Vancouver, B.C.
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:23pm PT
To the extent that the Pol Pot regime had an ideology, it was nihilist. There were strong strains of nihilism in Nazi Germany also. Fascism really isn't an applicable concept for a largely pre-industrial state taken over by paranoid reactionaries.

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
Dirt, I appreciate your reasoned posts and efforts at balance.

I for one have never called Obama perfect, or messiah or gawd or any such thing.

But I do feel the need to defend him against racist, conspiracy lunatics accusing him of trying to take over the country and have Rushmore replaced with an image of himself alone. Keep this in mind, I'm not speaking of you specifically when I say this.

I have a relative who has sent me mountains of email accusing him of abolishing the constitution, banning all private firearms, repainting Air Force One, Being born in Kenya, Being Muslim, Hating America, being the leader of a secret sect of muslims taking over the world, etc.

If you are a reasonable man who just wants to talk about right and wrong policy, I'm here for you.

If you are someone who believes that Obama loves America less than all previous presidents, or is part of some nefarious plot, I wash my hands.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:38pm PT
Than what was Lenin? Perhaps I'm ignorant to this, but I was under the impression Russia was pretty non-industrial prior to Lenin/Stalin. Of course it all depends on how you view Lenin. Some would say he was a great Socialist leader, I would call him a fascist who murdered many in the name of Communism. I've read a number of books, articles that label Pol Pot as a fascist, but as I said, I might be ignorant on some facts here. By no means am I a History intellectual.

Edit: Response appreciated Survival.
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
Don't know what makes this guy so flawless in the eyes of so many here.

Nobody ever claimed he was flawless - that's just tired old strawman that some folks use to dumb-down the discussion.

I do say that he is a competent executive whose values are mostly aligned with my own, and by far the best available alternative for the job.

I don't have a problem with anyone posting their opinion, but I do take issue when they try to post mine.
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
[...] Russia was pretty non-industrial prior to Lenin/Stalin.

Russia was very much a participant in the industrial revolution, and the conditions that arose from industrialization were a big contributor to the unrest that led to the communist revolution.

Lenin was a thug and a tyrant, but not many political scientists would call him a fascist.


Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
Survival,, in Egypt they are really lovin that brotherhood! KNOTT! They wonder why Obama would help put them in charge. Can you imagine being them?

Ummmm, believe it or KNOTT ron, they actually VOTED them in.
I wasn't aware that Obama put them in charge by himself.
Please tell me how he did that, and what it has to do with my previous post.

I'll go get ready at the handwashing station.

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
Yeah, thanks for the non-information ron.

It also worked out well for us in Iran and Vietnam and a few other places.
I'm thinking I remember a few dead Americans in Vietnam too, could be wrong.

*sigh* I guess they can't all be our puppet forver....sorry.

You should think about getting your rabies booster bro!
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 14, 2013 - 02:03pm PT

In the 1920's; when he came to power in 1924 he proposed the five-year plan. from 1928-1932 the first five year plan turned russia from being agricultural to being industrial very rapidly. Stalin wanted russia to be at the same level or if possible in advance of the military, economic, factory, etc technology of all other countries.However, ending the agricultural economy led to the soviet famine in 1932. If Stalin had not industrialized the soviet union by 1941, they would have not had the weaponry ( t-34 tanks, artillery, etc ) to fight the Nazis and far more Russians would have died in world war 2, possibly all of them. In world war one russia did not have modern weaponry and they were slaughtered in battle due to the Germans having far better weapons, Stalin was angry of this.

Some would disagree about when Russia became Industrialized.
Guess this discussion could cover another thread.

Edit: Who tried to post an opinion for you DaveK? I would think people would get called out right away for that here.

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 14, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
You're right Ron, I've already won this argument many times before.

No need for new information.

I declare victory.


BWA HA HA HA hahahahahaaaa!!!!!

Consolation breasts for showing up though!
( * )( * )
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Jan 14, 2013 - 02:16pm PT

Someone suggested that I thought Obama was flawless.

I don't remember who it was.

You are correct that Russia did not keep pace with the Germans and other countries during the first part of the 20th century. They were industrialized, but not nearly as much as the US, England, Germany, etc. They definitely got their sh#t together during WWII though.

No doubt, Stalin was an evil dictator - only a few "useful idiots" would argue otherwise.

I've learned that there are a lot of Russians today who have a favorable opinion of Stalin, on balance. The way they see it: He won the war, and and that trumps anything else he did.


Social climber
the Wastelands
Jan 14, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
Ron, up thread you stated that the Federal deficit has INCREASED under President Obama

Link please?

Since you know this as a fact and not just because you "want" it to be true, prove it

yeah, I am calling you out, again, Ron

prove your own lying crap

state the deficit the day PRESIDENT Obama took office and state what it is NOW

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jan 14, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
And my favorite fascist, is a dead fascist

So, Regan then.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Mar 11, 2014 - 10:26am PT
Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini...
Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini e Clara Petacci.  Milano, April 1945....
Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini e Clara Petacci. Milano, April 1945.

Credit: mouse from merced
Hands down.
Firing squad of partisans, not Guthrie's guitar, did this to Il Duce a...
Firing squad of partisans, not Guthrie's guitar, did this to Il Duce and his henchmen.
Credit: mouse from merced


The "Founding Fathers," meaning the politicos and the Sons of Liberty and their ilk, may have been radicals, certainly.

But in the southern states, in Georgia and the Carolinas in particular, the Tories and the revolutionaries gave each other no quarter and raided and ruined anyone they pleased with whom they had a beef, both sides using the same excuse of patriotism.

Dirty deeds to which we pay little attention because they do not "fit in" with the popular or establishment-approved history are often ignored and even hidden, sometimes with intent.

Misinformation/disinformation is a tool of fascism, BELIEVE IT OR NOT!

Speaking for myself, I won't get suckered into talking about our current involvements in world affairs--they are too complex and I am not paid to work that hard. I simply know that history always repeats, eventually.
I hope and pray it never needs to come to this sort of thing here in my homeland.

So far as I know, our trains run pretty well here, like they once did in Italy.

That is "Reagan." Ray Gun.

Mar 11, 2014 - 01:29pm PT
Mussolini had a certain flair, but Goerhing could have easily upstaged him - or his wife - on the fashion runway.

American fascists like Cheney, by comparison, exude all the sex appeal of a Xerox machine. They leave so much on the table, style-wise.

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Mar 11, 2014 - 04:07pm PT
The digressions of this thread have been amusing. I think Mouse and Riley, among others, actually have a grasp on "fascism," at least. The near worship of the state -- central to fascism -- seems to get forgotten by many.

I'm also a bit amused by the references to American Executive Branch members. Pejoratives aside, aggrandizing the power of the Executive Branch is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition for fascism, but while we're on that subject, I wish we could move the discussion of signing statements and executive orders from quantity to quality. No Constitutional scholar I know disputes the right of the POTUS to issues as many executive orders as he or she sees fit. Lots of scholars and others, however, dispute the right to issue any such order that contradicts explicit statutory provisions.

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