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Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 10, 2013 - 08:29pm PT
[quote] True that. I've seen a lot of self-serving rationales for acting like a callous prick though. /quote]

Have you ever seen the one where you f*#k up but you blame and want kill a bunch of dirt poor women and children villagers who spend 99 percent of their lives close to starvation while you cry over your puffy jacket?
It's a pretty hilarious self serving callous prick rational too!!

Oh ya - i just remembered again why i hate these lying idiots and America.


http://www.streetsoflima.com/2013/01/update-on-nightmare-in-peru.html
cuvvy

Sport climber
arkansas
Jan 10, 2013 - 09:22pm PT
I know Im still young and all, but I tend to believe whatever anyone tells me. So until there is proof that these people lied, Ill just have to take their word. I remember my dad talking about some guys who had freed some El Capitan route when I was a kid. He was saying, "like hell they did".
I remember thinking why would they lie? Maybe im a sucker. Maybe Ill change when I grow some facial hair.
Glad they are out of Peru and back home.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Jan 10, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
I know Im still young and all, but I tend to believe whatever anyone tells me. ... Maybe Ill change when I grow some facial hair.
Glad they are out of Peru and back home.

Maybe you'll change when you get scammed a few times or read about the lies people tell.

You can start by reading about Enron, the recent recession, Bernie Madoff, Charles Ponzi, the savings and loan crisis ...
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 10, 2013 - 11:13pm PT
This piece of sh#t thread is still going?

They were clueless travelers who fuked up, blamed the natives, and then asked everyone else to cover their losses. End of fuking story.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2013 - 08:01am PT
it seems to be going towards bashing an extended travel, dirtbag lifestyle. like questioning why they would steal wifi from a hotel. they saved up and went on a a long trip. if you haven't done it yet, you should.

lets say they had about $20 to spend a day like i do. sure they are privileged compared to natives, but they still are living on $20 a day. I am in this place myself, living out a van, writing to you from a starbucks where i am using their wifi and just had 'whore-bath' in their sink.

promoting your trip to get a pimp camper for your beater mid-90s toyota is brilliant. i should think about doing something like this myself. i'll probably have to find a cute chica though, nobody wants male dirtbag scruffiness posted on their site to promote their product.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 11, 2013 - 09:04am PT
mechrist +1 ^^^

oops, my bad,
says Patrick Compton. Yeah I think so. Go cuddle your three friends after they finish their SA trip.

I smelt shite from the beginning and I still smell it.

And yes, this story will roll, there will be a book deal and movie/TV movie deal. You can bet on it.

Okay, maybe they messed up a situation, but why should they benefit from their mistakes? And benefitting they are and will milk it to the utmost.

I still want to hear the villagers' side of the story.

Riley Wyna, your recent posts seem more level headed, before you and I (and others) had more knee-jerk posts, mainly because of the BS surrounding the story.

I still smell manure in the three's story.That's not saying I do/do not think they were attacked, but I wonder...

...and Americans love stories like this, it sells books and movies. Just wait and see. I am 99.9% sure of that (nothing in life is 100% sure). They will have their day under the sun. And the villagers? Who gives a sh*t about them. Not many posters on this thread, apparently. And by the posts, I do not have to point out those dear people who have empathy with the three "world" travelers.

BS, plain and simple. If they held their hands up and said, mea culpa, okay, but it is not going to happen... not on Oprah, Good Morning America or the Today Show. They will portray themselves as the victims. And the villagers? Savages and animals.

And the three will lap up the attention and what shillings it puts into their bank accounts.

This whole thing makes me sick.

There are far more people in this world that deserve our sympathy (and money), some even on the Taco Stand, than these three arse wipes.

And the climbing pix on their blog, how do we know it is them, pretty nebulous. So I hold up a grigri in a photo, heck I could hold up an ice axe and say I climbed Everest.

Folks, apologies, if needed, but I just do not buy the three's story, not in its entirety, at least.

Something is strange with this whole scenario.

Maybe it is just the cynic in me but..

I am an optimist, not a cynic.

From a distant relative (Samuel Langhorne Clements, aka Mark Twain)

“Optimist: day-dreamer more elegantly spelled.”
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 11, 2013 - 09:11am PT
I still want to hear the villagers' side of the story.

Why? What difference does it make? What's done is done.

This whole thing makes me sick.

Why invest emotions in this? How many travelers a year get tromped on in some fashion or other, left bleeding cold and naked? Do you get your bowels in an uproar over all of them? Or is it the 'climber' label?

Is it because of their fund raising effort? I find absolutely nothing wrong with it. This whole business about them lying?

What EVER. Yall weren't there. Yall will never be there. End of analysis.

DMT
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 11, 2013 - 09:13am PT
Did they really need to steal wireless internet in a poor country?!?!
Why does anyone think they were "stealing" internet? Did they hack the hotel or something? (Not likely with those three.)
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 11, 2013 - 09:30am PT
Dear DMT, you can see I have not posted on this topic the past few days. Invest my emotions? Yeah, darn right, I have better things to do, yet...

Dingus, I don't know, but this story just rankles me for some reason.

Jennie had a wobbly today down in the village. Embarrassing and very awkward for me (I am still on a learning curve) and one gal stopped to see if she could help, and Jennie made me out to be the bad guy. I finally got her home and calmed down. She is fine now, doesn't remember anything - dementia sucks. The public health nurse, John, says not to worry, these things will happen, considering Jen's medical condition. Easy for him to say, but then, he has been a huge help to us, and he just completed an intense course in dementia, so I take his advice very seriously.

And yet, the BS I smell from these three "intrepid" travelers, just bugs me. Bogus, probably not and yet. And in my first post on this thread, I did say that the truth probably lies somewhere between what the three claim and what really happened.

What else can I say?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 11, 2013 - 09:41am PT
Cheers Patrick

DMT
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 11, 2013 - 09:54am PT
Dingus, let's make a deal. If I get back to Cali, and I have the time and you have the time, you can lead the first pitch (Broad Dome, Atlantis Wall?) off the water at Donnell's Reservoir and then we can swing leads.

And if we run into any Miwok natives (I took two courses on the Miwoks at Columbia College), I will offer them loads of acorns so they will not beat the shite out of us, ala Peru

BTW, as part of one of my Miwok courses, I had to make an acorn mash using the stone pestle in the rock at the re-created Miwok Village at Columbia College. Yeck. Bland. No wonder they traded acorns for salt from Mono Lake with the Paiutes. That acorn mash could use a lot of salt for my tasting.

And pepper and perhaps tabasco. ;-)

And mushrooms might add a bit of flavor too.

And for those who may want to know, California had more native American (indigenous) tribes of different cultures (mainly hunter-gatherers) than any other place in North America. And for the most part, they did not war with each other, perhaps because of the abundance of natural resources that California had to offer, unlike the plains etc.

Okay the Modocs in northern California and the Yumas in southern California were a bit belligerent, especially to 'Europeans', not to say the Yosemite Miwok did not find it easy with the settlers. But overall, pre-European, the tribes in California got along with one another (yeah, I also did a course at Columbia on Californian tribes, and a course on Northern American tribes. The archaeology/anthropology professor, Blaine Rogers, was very tuned into these subjects.)
Majid_S

Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
Jan 11, 2013 - 11:03am PT
Americans drinking and having fun in the middle of war zone


The minute you leave US of A, the war begins with you been the enemy

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 11, 2013 - 11:44am PT
they saved up and went on a a long trip. if you haven't done it yet, you should.

I lived in a van for the better part of 3 years and a truck for months at a time before that, I know all about it. I ALWAYS dropped at least the $2 for a cup of coffee if I was going to spend the whole day using their internet. And YES, I ALWAYS left the public restrooms cleaner than I found them after I washed my hair/etc. The dirtbag fukheads in Bishop/etc who trash the public restrooms should be heavily ostracized by the climbing community. It makes me sick when I see how they treat the businesses around there... worse than 13 year old skaters at the mall.

One time near Sonora CA I was really tired, saw a dirt road, drove down it about 45 min until I found a tiny pull out and camped. I got woken up by a beat up old truck idling next to me. The crusty old man was staring me down hard, he was not happy that I was there but he didn't say a word, he just stared. I could have been all "what's up? Can I help you? I can camp here, right?" But instead I commented on how beautiful the area was. He said it was nice out there because there WEREN'T USUALLY PEOPLE AROUND, emphasis his. I apologized for being so close to his property, complimented him on his beautiful property again, and told him I would be on my way. He stared at me a bit more and then said, "no hurry, enjoy your breakfast it is a beautiful morning." I like to think he actually smiled a bit.

Point being... when you are traveling, don't act like you are entitled to anything. Be cool, be respectful, and remember YOU are the intruder. And above all, if your sh#t gets jacked, don't ask others to replace it.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 11, 2013 - 11:51am PT
Point being... when you are traveling, don't act like you are entitled to anything. Be cool, be respectful, and remember YOU are the intruder.

Of course but a lot of people can't do it, for a variety of reasons.

Its like the old ex-dirtbags here on the Taco that foam at the mouth every time someone mentions the word LEO. The sort that has a Guilty Shadow in any cop's flashlight....

Or them that are just plain scairt (you know the sort that would usually pack a pistol when they have to camp on a dirt road)...

Or them that are completely inept or socially retarded.

Like, the majority, man!

But some of us? Charmed, I'm sure. We camp where we want. The land owners invite us in for beer or coffee. Cops tell us war stories and apologize for pulling us over.

Seriously, some of us can just go pretty much anywhere we want, any time we want... and work any aspect of the social strata.

Sorry, but its true.

DMT
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Jan 11, 2013 - 11:51am PT
The dirtbag fukheads in Bishop/etc who trash the public restrooms should be heavily ostracized by the climbing community. It makes me sick when I see how they treat the businesses around there... worse than 13 year old skaters at the mall.

I'm as in favor of ostracizing as the next guy, don't get me wrong, but how am I supposed to figure out which flea bags are merely fashionably unkempt and which ones shaved their pubes into the Black Sheep bathroom sink? Pube check?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 11, 2013 - 11:56am PT
You take Ten-Hairs into the bathroom, you take Ten-Hairs out.



DMT

ps. Yes I flew over the coo coo nest when I was younger
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 11, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
Cops tell us war stories and apologize for pulling us over.

This is really funny because something similar happen in Vegas. I got pulled over for doing 75 in a 60. I blamed it on the rental car... he asked where we were from... what we do in Tahoe. I told him we were going on a nature walk, to kind of check out the ecology. He told me to go back to his car with him... he pulled out a MAP. He gave us detailed directions to a nature preserve with a nice little canyon with beautifully water sculpted limestone walls (only 5' tall). Then he bid us farewell and sent us on our way... told us to slow down "because driving faster uses more gas, which you Tahoe ecology types should appreciate, and it is the LAW."
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 11, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
Exactly. Got caught boulder poaching once, on Hunter Ligget army base, by some staff Sargent M.P. By the time I was done interrogating him we were old pals and I knew way more about him than he did me.

My bouldering buddy Burl was blown away.

"Dude, I've never seen anyone question a cop that way."

Hahahaha. I was asking him, 'What are you doing out here, anyway?'

:-)

DMT

Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 11, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
mechrist, +1 ^^^
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 11, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
Jebus, I am beginning to wonder about you...

This thread seems to be turning into a "what if" thread.

Common sene. My mom taught me that. I wonder if the three so-called heroes (a term used on a couple of websites now) used their common sense. Two beers among three people to celebrate a birthday? Come on, let's be real. Only two beers. Poor souls must have been broke to only afford two beers.

I don't know what went down, but it sounds like these people were real idiots. I guess it is easy from my "armchair" to surmise that, and I am sure there are enough posters who sympathize with these people and call me insensitive, or worse.

But goddamn it, I want to hear the other side. Sure the local newspapers report what they want. I have worked on local rags to national titles, and what gets told is down to the editor. FACT. And when I write FACT, I goddamn know what I am talking about.

There is manure in the three's story, I'd bet my left... my left... left...corndog on it.

If it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck... then it is probably a duck.

We all are sitting here pontificating. But I would bet my corndog these three will have their limelight on national TV, and probably some sort of book/TV/movie deal. Even somebody on Mountain Project posited that.

And if they do, and the other side of the story is not told, hey, big deal, it is America. So for those shedding tears for these three, just think, they are going to make out for the better than any of us. You can bet on that.

Why do I keep this subject up? Because I am super sceptical and I just know these three will get away with it. That's my gut feeling...

If they are fake or even part of the story is fake, they should be outed.

And I do not give a damn what Werner or other well-travelled people think (sorry Werner, but you did row in on this), I smell llama manure.


Where's my corndog?


EDIT

A good journalist/researcher someday will find out the truth, and I will bet what's left of my corndog, that these three will be shown up for what they are. Chancers.

But these three will be laughing to the bank.

Gosh darn it, they give American travellers a bad name. Not that they are alone in that.
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