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atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Jan 29, 2013 - 07:46pm PT
I agree, I think some were caused by pepper-spraying the locals.

Cheers,
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Jan 29, 2013 - 07:53pm PT
Fair enough, we are all creating our own stories here for our own reasons, including me.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 31, 2013 - 12:35am PT
some were caused by pepper-spraying the locals.

You mean the local lynch mob that had attacked them BEFORE they pepper-sprayed them in an effort to get away.
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
Jan 31, 2013 - 02:42am PT
atchafalaya:
some were caused by pepper-spraying the locals.

graniteclimber:
You mean the local lynch mob that had attacked them BEFORE they pepper-sprayed them in an effort to get away.

Timeline is everything in this very fluid situation. As I recall from reading the original report these three pulled up somewhere outside the village, parked and were eventually approached by a few of the locals. The three Americans asked if they could camp for the night and were told they could. Locals left and soon Americans heard whistles being blown from the direction of the village. A larger group of locals approach and demand passports. Americans refuse. An argument ensues with the Americans eventually deciding to hightail it outta there, jump in the truck attempting to drive off. The truck is pummeled with rocks. They drive in the wrong direction for several minutes only to learn that they have to drive back the way they came. Roadblocks are skirted as more rocks rain down upon them. They drive into a ditch and can go no further. More rocks. They jump out of the truck and bear mace is used on some locals as they run away. More rocks. They're caught, brought back to the village and held through the night. Police are called in the morning.

It's very easy for me to see this happening. It's easy for me to see how the locals would be highly suspicious of folks unknown to them parking at dusk just outside of their village. It's easy for me to see how the Americans would be reluctant to give up passports to a group of people they had no knowledge of having the power to demand them. It's easy to see how the locals would become even more uneasy at the refusal of the Americans to identify themselves. It's easy to see how misunderstanding due to the language barrier might have facilitated all of this.

If I found myself in this same, unfortunate situation, with escalating tensions, it's pretty easy to see myself simply trying to leave. And once leaving, if I found myself under assault from a barrage of rocks I could easily see myself fearing for my life. And, having to turn around and run the gauntlet again, subsequently crashing the vehicle all while still being pummeled with rocks, you can be gawdamned sure that I would hesitate not one second to use bear mace to try to get away. Or maybe it would be better to just stand there while you and your two female companions possibly get brained.

Again, timeline. I haven't seen anything discrediting their sequence of events. If anyone has a credible alternative please post it up. Credible, not hearsay, not "I bet. .. . ", not "probably. .. .. ". Anything less than credible is nothing more than gnashing of the teeth in an attempt to bash these guys with zero evidence.

Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:43am PT
Where are the tall rock barricades? Just a truck in a ditch. No rocks seen anywhere. Lots of green grass and wet road.

http://www.caretas.com.pe/Main.asp?T=3082&w=1&idG=62423&Idx=0#top

http://www.caretas.com.pe/Main.asp?T=3082&w=1&idG=62423&Idx=5#top

THESE are the vicious locals who did this to them?

http://www.caretas.com.pe/Main.asp?T=3082&w=1&idG=62423&Idx=4#top

The photos don't add up to the story.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:48am PT
It's easy to try to second-guess what they did. They said they got bad vibes and their instincts said to run.

From the way they were treated, specifically the way the women were treated, I say that their instincts were right. You can call it sexism if you want, but in most places, even in primitive third world villages "decent people" would have shown more restraint in the treatment of the women, especially if it had been the man who had done the driving and used the pepper spray.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 31, 2013 - 03:53am PT


Yeah, it was green grass that smashed up the windshield.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 31, 2013 - 04:05am PT
Where are the tall rock barricades? Just a truck in a ditch. No rocks seen anywhere. Lots of green grass and wet road.

Is that the Fox News version?

Read the article. The pictures were taken in the morning when they finally called the real cops, 11 HOURS LATER.

Remember how they stated that their attackers had called the cops only after they were forced to sign a statement saying that it was just a car accident? If that was their cover story, the first thing they would have done is remove the barricades. You can say that they made up the story, but you can't say that the lack of a barricade in the picture is not consistent with their story.

As an ex-reporter Fluoride, I'm surprised this didn't occur to you. But I guess people just see what they want to see, and that goes for "reporters" also.

This Peruvian newspaper believes their story a lot more than some here.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 31, 2013 - 04:09am PT
Google's Translation

http://www.caretas.com.pe/Main.asp?T=3082&idE=1085&idS=242

Tourism Three Americans who did a tour in his trailer are brutally attacked by members of the community in full Ocongate route to Machu Picchu.
Tourism and Misadventure
PHOTOS PDF

Sunday December 30, 7:30 am. Wolfrom Jed, his wife and his sister Meghan Doherty Jennifer after 11 hours of savage beating.
Jed Husbands Wolfrom and Meghan Doherty said goodbye to the cold state of Wyoming, USA, 9 months ago.
Thousands of miles separated the pair of Patagonia, in Argentina, the final destination of a unique journey through Latin America that started on April 1, 2012.

They stopped in Cusco, Dec. 22, to meet with Jennifer Wolfrom, Jed's sister, and celebrate Christmas and New Year.

Peru did not imagine that hell would know.

On Saturday December 29 were viciously attacked by 30 farmers of Pallca, a small town 20 minutes Ocongate District, and part of the tourist corridor that leads to Machu Picchu.

They were rescued by the police, but his condition was lamentable: the three tourists needed 100 points to suture wounds and Jed mouth practically rebuilt.
Ocongate What happened in?

CROSSING
Jed and Meghan met in 2005 when skied at Jackson Hole resort and before you even think about having kids, being framed as a route to cross the continent.
They bought a caravan Toyota Tacoma TRD, which named it "The Hood Rat" (The Hooded rat) and created the blog "Adventure Americas" as a sort of diary while a hook to attract sponsors.

The wheels were set in motion.

They left Wyoming on April 1, 2012 and toured California, Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Costa Rica, Panama, Colombia and Ecuador. crossed the border into Peru on December 21 and, as it could not be otherwise, Direct enrumbaron to Cusco.


Jennifer (30), Jed's sister, his vacations to join the pilgrimage in Cusco.

The trio spent exploring the Ausangate Christmas. Started back to go to Machu Picchu, on Saturday 29.

The night surprised them halfway, so they decided to park the caravan up to Pallca, a town 20 minutes from Ocongate. They planned to camp there. It was 6:30 pm.

Two villagers emerged from the shadows and approached them blowing their whistles to alert neighbors. Suddenly, the Americans found themselves surrounded.

NIGHTMARE IN Pallca
They asked for our documents and we refused because they were police. Pressure we looked nervous. We said we were better, but they would not let my brother closed the door, "said Jennifer on her blog.
Jed floored the accelerator, but the mob blocked the road and began throwing stones.

The nightmare had begun.

Tourists used two pepper spray, which further exacerbated the crowd.

A Jennifer beat her face Jed and beat him to the point of break his four front teeth.

In the midst of despair, the three tourists escaped. "We ran for our lives for an hour, dodging hills and rivers. Projectile receive multiple blows to the head and body until we surrender. We were captured by farmers and brought back to the community. We were covered in blood, "said Jennifer.

They were taken to school Pallca where stripped of all their belongings for U.S. $ 10.695.

"Many of the men and women screamed kill us. We never stop to apologize for the misunderstanding, but they replied with beatings and whippings with ropes in the middle of the interrogation muleteer, "said Jennifer.

"At 5:00 am, after 11 hours of beatings, we returned to the van. All windows and the jacket had been destroyed. They ransacked the interior and objects scattered in the mud. We ordered the police wait before towing the truck, "he continued.

Four police officers since Ocongate, including Commissioner Hernan Peralta, Pallca arrived at 7:30 am.

The photographs open this report correspond to the time: Jed Wolfrom seen his face bloodied by the caravan Toyota, tilted in a ditch beside the road.

Meghan Doherty and Jennifer Wolfrom appear there too, covered in blood and mud.

"Obviously it was not an accident but an attack. During the nights tend to steal cattle trucks parked, crime is very common in this area. Most likely you have mistaken the rustlers, considering that they would not identify themselves and fled at full speed, "said Ensign CARETAS Peralta.

Another version is that environmentalists have been alleged inciting the villagers to intervene to any stranger who trespasses on their territory and find out the reasons for their presence. They are alert for extracting soil samples under the suspicion that it would be a mining concession with the state, which would end banishment.

None of this, of course, justifies the savagery with which acted Ocongate commoners.

The incident occurred in a remote location as Uchuraccay (see column Gorriti), but on the main tourist route in the country.

This definitely hurts tourism, creating panic.

On January 10, shortly before returning to the U.S., and Meghan took leave of Peru in his Facebook profile: "Just one more week to get out of trajinadas finally here." (Alvaro Arce)
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Jan 31, 2013 - 04:12am PT
"Yeah, it was green grass that smashed up the windshield."

Or their heads in the accident in the ditch without a seatbelt.

These photos can be interpreted in many different ways.
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
Jan 31, 2013 - 04:18am PT
The photos don't add up to the story.

No, they don't. Those photos were supposedly taken the morning after all the action took place. Those photos, in and of themselves, neither confirm nor deny their story.

Fluoride:
THESE are the vicious locals who did this to them?

If you believe the rough google translation at the bottom of the photo, then yes.

"Los comuneros de Ocongate dijeron a la Policía que atacaron a los turistas porque estos se negaron a identificarse y luego escaparon."

Google translation:
The villagers of Ocongate told police he attacked the tourists because they refused to identify themselves and then escaped.
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
Jan 31, 2013 - 04:24am PT
The photos can be interpreted in many different ways, two of which is either they're lying, or they're not. If the quotation from the photo above is correct they were, in fact, attacked. That's not the whole story but certainly a part that many have had a hard time believing.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 31, 2013 - 04:45am PT
Another news story has the mayor of the village admitting that there was an attack.


http://todaynews.today.com/_news/2013/01/25/16695902-tourists-scary-tale-bloodied-by-rocks-robbed-in-peru?lite

The mayor who oversees the Peruvian village where the attack took place insisted to NBC that the events stem from a misunderstanding. He said the villagers thought the Americans were delinquents, but couldn’t explain why the residents responded so violently. He said the event is being investigated.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 04:59am PT
Attack or not... strangers come to your hood acting all cocky and entitled to a free campsite and refuse to show ID... you whack the fuks. If they aren't pussies they will take their lumps and learn their lesson. Otherwise, they will ask everyone else to replace their iPhuns.
slayton

Trad climber
Here and There
Jan 31, 2013 - 05:23am PT
mechrist, beyond calling your above post BS it's not worthy of a response.
Ryan Tetz

Trad climber
Flagstaff, AZ
Jan 31, 2013 - 08:39am PT
After seeing that video I believe the story. They look terrible. Maybe things would have been better if they cooperated. I can see how people who are scared in an escalating situation respond with a fight or flight response and one thing leads to the next on both sides.
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Jan 31, 2013 - 11:47am PT
"You mean the local lynch mob that had attacked them BEFORE they pepper-sprayed them in an effort to get away."

Actually, I meant what I said GC. I undertand though that your shtick is supporting anyone who claims to be a victim so carry on...
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 31, 2013 - 04:13pm PT
atchafalaya:
I undertand though that your shtick is supporting anyone who claims to be a victim so carry on...

If you add, "and that you believe to be victim" then yes I suppose you can say that is my "shtick." Not everyone who claims to be a victim gets my sympathy, as some here have learned.

Isn't that your "shtick" as well, since you are a civil rights lawyer, or is that just your "shtick" when you are addressing the jury? Did you ever believe in what you were doing, or have you become cynical from years of selling your talents to plaintiffs that you secretly believe to be undeserving? And in this economy, has ambulance-chasing PI business been consuming more of your practice? That's a quick way to become cynical.
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Jan 31, 2013 - 06:01pm PT
I am a defense lawyer, but don't let that stop your 3rd grade lawyer rant... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 31, 2013 - 06:12pm PT
2:40, the villagers made them sign a document that said they crashed the car because they had been drinking? From the pictures, it sure looks like a drunk veer into a ditch to me.

Whatever, fact is, as "experienced travelers" they should have had copies of their documents for EXACTLY THOSE SITUATIONS... and gone out of their way to accommodate the requests of the locals.
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