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mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 2, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
There appears to have been a communication barrier.

No sh#t. And who is to blame for that?

I don't see how a rural village defending their people and property from perceived delinquents who refuse to show ID is a fault.

I don't see nearly enough rocks anywhere around there to build any kind of barricade... especially one that truck couldn't get over.

If you run into trouble traveling, it is your fault. If you aren't willing/able to deal with sh#t, stay home. If your adventure doesn't turn out the way you planned, ain't nobody to blame buy yourself.
crock

Trad climber
The Windiest Mountain, Wyoming
Feb 4, 2013 - 04:03am PT
Jenny Wolfrom has returned and there's an update to the story.

Jacksonite recounts assault by Peruvians
Wolfrom tells of her nightmarish experience in a small South American village:
http://www.jhnewsandguide.com/article.php?art_id=9499
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Feb 4, 2013 - 05:29am PT
Whatever the truth of this story, the people who will suffer in the long run are the Peruvians and their tourist economy. Not a smart move on their part.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 4, 2013 - 08:13am PT
The Peruvian tourist board can hire Mechrist and the rest of the 'toughen the fuk up' crowd to help with the their PR campaign.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 4, 2013 - 09:19am PT
From what I can tell the only 'Climbing' they did was with Paul Lyin' Ryan.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 4, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
Philo, from the pictures on their blog, they are getting in more climbing then you are these days.
John M

climber
Feb 4, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
they didnt ask anything -

You presume too much Riley. Here in california I have worked with migrant workers and asked them questions and gotten a yes, when in fact they didn't understand a word that I said and had to ask one of their friends who did speak english. I learned quickly that just because they said yes didn't mean that they understood you.

I tend to agree with a lot of what you say Riley. I'm just not certain that you can be so certain in this case.

But whatever. I don't really have a dog in this race. Its just interesting to me. It would be cool to go down there and talk to the villagers over a beer. One newspaper down there quoted the village mayor as eluding to that they got a beating for being robbers. Are you saying the newspaper lied?
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 4, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
Interesting. The story has changed a bit...

While they were passing around the beers, two men in their 30s pulled up on motorbikes. They talked about the village, telling the travelers quirky facts about the area and its history.

“They seemed excited,” Wolfrom said.

After chatting with the two men, the group started to see small lights descending a nearby hillside. About 25 villagers were headed toward the group with flashlights.

I thought they asked these guys if it was ok and then after they said yes, the guys started calling everyone on their cell phones and yelling and screaming?? Weird....
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Feb 4, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
From the linked article upthread:

Though Jed and Meghan made it safely out of Peru, they still are traveling in South America and have had limited Internet access.

Knott so traumatized to prevent them from continuing their "adventure". I'm sure they very much appreciate your generous donations!

Some villagers smelled of alcohol, Wolfrom said.

This is almost certainly bullshít. Aside from their supposedly only purchasing 2 beers for a birthday celebration for 3 people, assuming they did indeed split those 2 beers equally (8 oz each), that's enough to give a woman of average build a nice buzz, and would put her BAC at approx. .015 to .020.

When you've been drinking you can't detect the smell of alcohol on others; anyone who consumes alcohol knows this.
John M

climber
Feb 4, 2013 - 02:43pm PT
Stories often change after a stressful event. The memory is a strange thing. A friend of mine works with rape victims. She describes how different the story becomes over time. It doesn't always mean the person was lying.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 4, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
If you've ever been interviewed by media, you'd understand that usually only a small fraction of what you tell them is published in the article. Even where the media publishes interviews, you don't get to read the full interview most of the time--they publish excerpts.

Just because the news article doesn't include every detail that was in Jenny's article doesn't mean that it is inconsistent or that Jenny's story "changed."

When they spoke to the two villagers on motorbikes, they probably talked about the village and also about camping.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Feb 4, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

True. When things like that which have been reported multiple times change all of a sudden, i tend to find it suspicious.

It does sound more like the real version of what happened, less sensationalist.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 4, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
Riley, after you learn how to handle encounters with uniformed park rangers in ways that don't result in you getting beat up, you'll be more qualified to lecture us on how to handle encounters with an angry mob. You were at hothead then, and you're being a hothead now.
Gerg

Trad climber
Calgary
Feb 4, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
I don't know what side to believe; I do find it as exciting though as the tales of Wings of Steel and weither a commercial plane or a missle hit the Pentagon.
This would make a horrible book/movie but maybe an afterschool special for the little ones, flower it up with cartoon scenes of Peru.
They want donations??! Really? Anyone who allows these kids to continue travelling in South America likely gives money to also to T.V. Evangelists - depart with your $ how you see fit.
I am gonna be in Jackson with my son in April, I would love to attend the 'donations supper', sounds like fun fun.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 03:09pm PT
To paraphrase Werner: there's a whole lotta mental speculating goin' on here
with few facts to base such activity on. What's to be gained other than
to reinforce the need to be respectful and aware anywhere you go?
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 4, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
What's to be gained other than
to reinforce the need to be respectful and aware anywhere you go?

Another thing to be gained is realizing that being respectful and aware does not mean you will always be safe.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 4, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
From the Wolfrom's blog:

We have also received a great amount of support and disbelief from Peruvians over this incident taking place in their country. We would like to express that we too are in disbelief. We have spent two amazing months in this country before this incident and cannot say we met a single other sole that wasn’t warm and welcoming to us. There are bad people everywhere in the world, in every country, just as there is good everywhere in the world. We just happened to enter in to the wrong place at the wrong time. We in no way reflect this situation on the country as a whole and hope that others will react in the same manner.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Feb 5, 2013 - 01:37am PT
Really? This thread is still going?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 5, 2013 - 05:35am PT
Seem to be getting press...

http://www.drudgereport.com/ which links to:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bound-beaten-and-robbed-backpackers-attacked-by-whipbrandishing-peruvian-villagers-in-savage-two-day-ordeal-8480069.html
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Feb 5, 2013 - 06:06am PT
Those of you supporting the Peruvians are really funny.
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