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philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 7, 2013 - 10:46am PT
yes philo, because clearly internet comments are insight into the most reasonable sect of society...especially on news articles.

That is not what I am saying.
Why are you making that assessment?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 7, 2013 - 10:51am PT
So the F what? Why does it matter to you?

Maybe because people want to know something about the guys that are asking them for money. It's not as though people haven't gotten a little thick skinned about plays for money that they haven't got.....
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 7, 2013 - 10:54am PT
Question for Patrick Compton.

The three have maintained that they didn't set up the donation sites and they did not ask for any funds. So is it correct to assume they didn't ask you to post this thread asking for funds (the link to donating) to help the climbers?

If so, do you worry they'll throw you under the bus for doing this like they did the others who asked for funds?

I ask with genuine curiosity and no animosity toward you or your having posted this.

edit: corrected OP's name from Pat to Patrick. Sorry about that!
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 7, 2013 - 10:59am PT
OP (Patrick Compton) wrote:

Opinions are like a$$holes... everyone on here has one.

Fun to watch. Fascinating how many like to criticize the travelers for their belongings and how they acted. Most people reading this would have taken patagucci sh#t, iPhones and pads and reacted to aggression with fear and responded with aggression, just like they did.

Yes, everyone has an opinion, and you have been around the internet long enough to know that posting a thread in the manner you did would bring them out. You posted no connective information, such as "These guys are cousins of my friend" or "I climbed with this guy last year" or "I've been following the blog..."

You posted an incendiary threat title with a link, one that didn't actually click through, if I recall, and nothing more.


***

As for you own opinion(hmmm....) that most here would have behaved in the same way, it's likely not true.

MOST people here are pretty aware that when traveling in remote regions, one should educate themselves appropriately and act in accordance with local customs. I can't for the life of me imagine snapping pictures of a travel partner in markets where we are getting the stinkeye and thinking that makes for an appropriate blog photo.


I haven't traveled much, and never for adventure. But a few years ago my friends suggested we drive down into Mexico (we were in the southwest for winter) and I totally balked at the idea. There was no way I was about to jump in my van and tourist around. And my van was a rolling metal leper(rusty as hell).

If even someone who hasn't even considered travel in Central/South America knows they need keep a respectful, low profile and even with taking care knows they are at risk - oughtn't a group who has planned such a trip for years(as their blog mentioned) have known how to manage themselves?

Looking at the several posts with images I saw from the blog, it appeared to me that these people were very sheltered from being immersed in the cultures and locales they vacationed through.


I think these people will likely have the Aron Ralston experience, wherein after some time spent processing the events which led to their epic, they see that in fact they were completely responsible for it's making.
gimmeslack

Trad climber
VA
Jan 7, 2013 - 11:03am PT
I'd like to offer a little cultural/language clarification:
Small (rural) communities in Latin America often have their own local 'government' in the form of an 'Asociacion' and it typically has elected officers who are prominent members of the community. It would actually be unusual for a rural community to have any constabulary, and it would be very appropriate for the 'Presidente' (of the Asociacion) to be summoned in the night, to investigate potential crime or other issue (trespassing etc.).

While I find it very sad that things went bad so quickly, I also think that there is an underlying thread of cultural arrogance and naivete, which likely contributed to the unfortunate outcome.

Most of all, I find it sad to read the ensuing spray-fest here and elsewhere... I've backpacked and traveled using 'local' transpo in very remote Peruvian areas(and elsewhere in SA and CA), and have only found it to be one of my most memorable (in every positive sense of the word) travel experiences. Interestingly, although I am fully bilingual, I don't speak a word of Quechua, and many of those places I've visited were Quechua-only. But if approached by a legit looking group of people (who probably did speak some Spanish), I would certainly have started by agreeing to identify myself in some way (always carry photocopy of passport).

There is crime everywhere, but I think this was a cultural impasse which quickly escalated into a mini-war - with both sides to blame.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 7, 2013 - 11:07am PT
Crimpie, I remember reading that too about the laptop.

John M., perhaps you missed this post from chichalimona

I should clarify that the objective info is coming from the news articles. There are certainly horrific racist comments in response to those news articles! There are also tempered responses. There are also responses leaning in the opposite direction, applauding the people in Pallca and condemning the tourists. It's across the board on opinions no matter where you are!!


Spider Savage, my exact thoughts

t*r, whether you'd like it or not, some photos of physical injuries would go a long way to dispelling the disbelief that some people have.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 7, 2013 - 11:07am PT
Crimpergirl and happygrrl,

I have no connection to anyone involved in the incident.

You posted an incendiary threat title with a link, one that didn't actually click through, if I recall, and nothing more.

the idea that I posted this up with 'viscious' in the title just to bring out crackpots on supertaco is hilarious.
Regardless of the criticism of their motivitives and methods, climbers were whipped. Whipped. That is viscous, so is breaking out teeth with rocks.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 7, 2013 - 11:10am PT
Thanks Patrick.
frank wyman

Mountain climber
helena montana
Jan 7, 2013 - 11:11am PT
Note to self...If ever attacked by angry mob in foreign country....Quickly yell out..."Do what you want to the girl,just don't hurt ME"....
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 7, 2013 - 11:13am PT
How else were they going to change their blog to show they are not soliciting for donations if they didn't get a laptop first? Come on, people, think!

SofCookay, I guess Peru is too backwards to have internet cafes. And they said they were staying in an (expensive?) hotel, one would think there would be a net connection there, but of course, i could be wrong.

This story seems to have "divided" some of the Taco Standers, sort of like the Roy Keane/Mick McCarthy fiasco in Saipan in 2002, how it divided a lot of opinions in Ireland.


Hardman Knott, good catch.

http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_forum.php?dcid=Ozk-NDc3JSUi

Are you related to Krista Goodsitt by any chance?
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Jan 7, 2013 - 11:13am PT
Patrick Compton wrote:

the idea that I posted this up with 'viscious' in the title just to bring out crackpots n supertaco is hilarious.

Well, what do you expect? Some of this lot quote opinions like they're bible verse, while others post bible verse like they're quotes. A little idle conjecture I can see, but some clearly have the prize of being the top indolent twit in mind.

As for me? Zero centavos donated. This WHOLE fiasco, true or not, strikes me as a money grab, from start to finish.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 7, 2013 - 11:18am PT
Thanks for chiming in OP

can you clarify what the 20 k is to be used for?



thanks, bk
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 7, 2013 - 11:21am PT
Why wasn't this thread enjoined with the America The Ignorant thread?
Alexey

Trad climber
San Jose, CA
Jan 7, 2013 - 11:21am PT
Patrick Compton, why you call them "climbers" in the header of this tread? ( they are not)
And is this a pure coincidence that you become supertopian day before?
Are you Jackson Hole local climber? any good routes you can recommend from you home crag?
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 7, 2013 - 11:26am PT
Patrick Compton, why you call them "climbers" in the header of this tread? ( they are not)
And is this a pure coincidence that you become supertopian day before?
Are you Jackson Hole local climber? any good routes you can recommend from you home crag?

how do you know they aren't?
yes.
no, are you?

pretty sweet that I am now under suspicion of some nefarious activity just because I posted this story up. If Jeremy A had posted it, it would be goldplated sticky.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 7, 2013 - 11:28am PT
To be clear, I have no suspicion of your posting PC. Just curious about what I asked.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 7, 2013 - 11:39am PT
no problem, I saw a post on another site regarding this incident and posted it up here.

Sewellymon

climber
.....in a single wide......
Jan 7, 2013 - 11:40am PT
They are climbers. I eyeballed their Facebook blog/ pics and they've had some days out craggin
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 7, 2013 - 11:49am PT
OP - can you shed some light on how the public funds are being spent?


I have no interest in casting judgement I just would like some accountability


For all I know its going to hookers and blow, you know?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 7, 2013 - 11:51am PT
If Jeremy A had posted it, it would be goldplated sticky.


What the hell does Jeremy have to do with this Patrick?
There went your cred with me.

Although I too wondered why they were called climbers.
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