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Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 6, 2013 - 06:42pm PT
I am losing my mind trying to find that text. Hopefully I'll stumble on it again. I wonder if it's been removed?? I suppose it's possible I dreamed I read it, but it makes me sad that I am wasting valuable dream time on stuff like this. :)
chichalimona

Social climber
baltimore
Jan 6, 2013 - 06:54pm PT
Thank you. I appreciate hearing the the people of Peru don't appear to be buying the notion that the villagers thought that they were cattle rustlers.

I should clarify that the objective info is coming from the news articles. There are certainly horrific racist comments in response to those news articles! There are also tempered responses. There are also responses leaning in the opposite direction, applauding the people in Pallca and condemning the tourists. It's across the board on opinions no matter where you are!!
SofCookay

climber
Jan 6, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
They did change the bottom of their blog to remove the list of items/values that were stolen - it now reads:

"The bottom half of this letter has now been removed. I posted this letter that Jenny wrote in order to quickly release our story as it was the only written account I had immediate access to and didnít have the time to write it out myself. The point of posting this letter was to get our story out so that the legal system in Peru would have to do somthing, as before we released it they were all twittling their thumbs hoping we would just go away. The point was not to ilicit for money just becuase we listed the items which were stolen from us!"

Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Jan 6, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
Crimpie, I remember reading too that the first thing they did after they got out of the hospital was purchase a new laptop. I don't recall seeing a price but they got a new laptop above all other things.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 6, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
Thanks SofCookay. I have to assume I saw it there at some point.

Edit:

Thanks Fluoride!

Crimpie, I remember reading too that the first thing they did after they got out of the hospital was purchase a new laptop. I don't recall seeing a price but they got a new laptop above all other things.


That was my thought as well. That was apparently a priority and it was 5k for sure as I was surprised at the cost. I can't judge as I have no idea how much laptops cost there, but it struck me as expensive.
LuckyPink

climber
the last bivy
Jan 6, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
If those travelers have even a quarter's worth of the character they believe themselves to have they would donate that money to the village.. it would go a very long way in establishing community medical care there, or basic education.
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Jan 6, 2013 - 07:16pm PT



Best trip report ever!!!


Oh the Pomp and Circumstances.

If anything Supertopo probably has the best peanut gallery in the world.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Jan 6, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
Thank you ChiCha!

Crimper-
I've been following this story pretty closely as I am laying here at home nursing a dislocated elbow and going stir crazy. I haven't seen anywhere that they paid 5k for a new laptop. They mentioned they bought a new laptop and I think withdrew a certain amount from their account, but I didn't see anything about spending 5k.

You don't have to look far to fault them for frivolous spending, just look at their blog photos and posts. There is one picture of them deciding which 400$ pair of mountaineering boots to buy for one (failed) attempt at a volcano in Ecuador.

They appear to be making some poor decisions in the wake of the tragedy, and if justice is needed the people who donated should take that up with them (I highly doubt anyone here donated). Then again they might be just laying in their hospital beds with previously unnoticed subdurals and brain swelling, a very real possibility after being struck in the head with rocks. Whatever, they didn't deserve to be stoned, beaten and whipped. That should always be the lesson regardless of race color or creed or money, and that is the lesson always lost in the chatter of modern media and search for reason.

-Pat
SofCookay

climber
Jan 6, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
How else were they going to change their blog to show they are not soliciting for donations if they didn't get a laptop first? Come on, people, think!
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
SLO, Ca
Jan 6, 2013 - 07:23pm PT
In the early 90s I hooked up with two other people in Ecuador, hired a Cessna and cruised out in to the amazon basin. We landed on a grass strip at a navy base(!) and hired some locals to take us down some river to another base where we would be picked up five or so days later by the plane.

We went down the river mostly without incident, staying in peoples raised huts, drinking banana wine, etc. One place we pulled up and the locals were seriously pissed. Like guys yelling and pointing at us with machetes. Who knows why, they mostly don't speak Spanish in the jungle. Our local guides calmed them down and we went on our way. No money/bribes were paid- the guys were just seriously angry to see us. It was pretty scary.

No real point, but things can go sideways when you get off the beaten track. That said, this story sounds like BS and, though no one should be whooped up on, they and their families should foot any bill.
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Jan 6, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
i really, really, don't need or want to see photos of people who have been bruised and battered. i hope they DON'T post photos.

I do! Might make this interesting.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Jan 6, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
Maybe all the cameras got taken, who knows. I do know something for sure. If what they say happened to them, happened to me, I would sure as hell be pressing charges!!
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Jan 6, 2013 - 07:35pm PT
If I was brutally beaten, terrorized, had a hundred stitches and missing 4 front teeth the first thing I'd want to do is get back to the states and get proper medical help in dealing with the physical and mental injuries. Seems like they just want money to repair their truck, replace their belongings and continue on.

Where exactly are they going to get these stitches removed in remote areas of South America as they do this? How does this guy want to continue his trip missing 4 front teeth? How's he going to eat? Get through the pain? Get his stitches removed in a sterile, safe environment when he heals?

Makes ya wonder.

t*r, I AM curious about these injuries and why no pictures have surfaced, yet we have got full accounts of how much a stolen Nano-Puf jacket costs and needs replacing.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Jan 6, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
This so last week's news.

Did they bomb the village yet?
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 6, 2013 - 07:55pm PT
SBRphoto said:
"They spent 5K on a laptop?"
No, the Sony Vaio and software was listed at $4,000. Maybe they wanted to upgrade to 2 Macs.




There are 2 fundraising sites. One is transparent and lists the dollars captured in real time. They pulled $15,000 out of it and the remaining is now at $4,780.90. Can anyone advise how much did the other one haul in?
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 6, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
What I saw was that they listed the stolen laptop at being valued at 4K.

I later saw they bought a new one for 5K. The 5k stood out to me as I thought it a very expensive laptop (and I wondered what it'd do at that price).

Not that it really matters, but I did not confuse the two items.

Sorry to hear about the elbow Pat. I am sitting here day after day as well - but I'm stuck working. Between runs and things I peek over to the taco a fair amount (i.e., too much). At least I can stop working for the day. Your dislocated elbow remains. :/

sullly

Trad climber
Jan 6, 2013 - 08:04pm PT
The thread that keeps on giving!
t*r

Mountain climber
where the wild things are
Jan 6, 2013 - 08:21pm PT
i certainly think it's a good idea to photo document injuries like this and it's a possibility they may have already, along with law enforcement and medical professionals in peru. i just don't need or want to see the photos myself.

Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 6, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
I went to the Apple site in search of a $5000 laptop. The best I could do was the 15" MacBook Pro with Retina display, processor bump to 2.7 Ghz, RAM bumped to 16GB, and flash drive bumped to 768 GB. It came out to $3749.00. Even if you throw in AppleCare for $349.00, it's quite a bit less than five large...
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Jan 6, 2013 - 08:28pm PT
Hardman, for them to buy a new laptop on the spot in Cuzco it would have been heavily upgraded in cost and tax as a good new laptop in those parts is not easy to come by. I believe $5K is what they would have paid out there. Cuzco is the only major city in the region. I'd be shocked if there's more than 2 places in that city to buy one on the spot. And they managed to find it right away.

Peru has massive import tariffs and unless the business has a Western owner or benefactor, Peruvian business folk have to pay a ton for the stuff we buy for half the cost.

The fact that a new laptop is the first thing they bought and their most essential need is what speaks volumes to me. They could have had family buy them a new one here in the states for thousands less and ship it to them in Cuzco. But that would have taken time. They obviously wanted to get their story out ASAP.
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