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Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:14am PT
The people were trying to f*#k with them. Why else would they say it's OK to park, and then start blowing the whistles etc.? Clearly it was a case of mass robbery.

I guess their radar wasn't quite sharp enough for that situation.
John M

climber
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:14am PT
I would like to hear what you think their mistakes were.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:15am PT
Yeah, JLP, money grab. That pretty much explains the whole thing: a money grab masquerading as neighborhood watch.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:17am PT
Maybe the village had experienced violence and crime from out-of-towners, were expecting more trouble, and were alert and ready to fight back? Their response sounds like some kind of third-world Neighborhood Watch scenario.
Yeah, that sounds plausible--you really have to watch it when you see a group consisting of 1 guy and two girls masquerading as being on a long camping trip roll into your town--who knows what havoc they could wreak? Sending in the two girls would be a good "advance scouting team" for the invaders waiting in the wings.

Always interesting (if fairly predictable) to see people's reactions to these types of things. Everything from the "the ugly Americans started it" (seemingly implausible if you believe the account, and if you don't believe it, how could you have any opinion at all?) to the "this is from centuries of gringo oppression."
I'm of the I'm-surprised-this-doesn't-happen-more-often school, but I freely admit that is pure conjecture.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:17am PT
I think the proper protocol is to hire a local guide, to take you through the rough areas. Not all Peruvian guides are women, but these are.




JLP

Social climber
The internet
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:24am PT
I think the proper protocol is to hire a local guide, to take you through the rough areas.
Have fun negotiating costs on that one, and see what path you take and who you meet along the way and what the police think when they find out your "tour guide" from two villages away isn't officially registered locally in some weird way.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:25am PT
They had already been physically attacked when the pepper spray was sprayed.

We don't know what occurred - if it would have been serious from the beginning - i can promise everyone they would have been dead.
that they were able to start spraying people with pepper spray and not get killed is actually pretty remarkable..
the whole thing sounds stupid..

there are plenty of bandits, strong men, bad people in the world - that is why you don't drive around anywhere like this at nighttime. But there are not entire villages of people who want to kill you - not unless you give them good reason...

You can' even walk the streets or beaches of Rio after dark -it's very dangerous- you go from the club right to a cab.

The top 10 most dangerous travel situations I have had have all been in The States and Canada.

And yes - I have travelled more than you can probably imagine.
You can take up a collection for me to fly to Peru anytime - I will be happy to go..



Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:25am PT
"I think the proper protocol is to hire a local guide, to take you through the rough areas."

Yeah, that's a tough one when you're driving. Walking, maybe.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:32am PT
It's interesting that the majority (by far) of anthropologists never get attacked and/or robbed. An acquaintance of mine lived with modern day (automatic weapons equipped) headhunters in the Phillipines, never got held up once.

See for example


Cultural Anthropology: An Applied Perspective
Gary Ferraro

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:35am PT

Yeah, JLP, money grab. That pretty much explains the whole thing: a money grab masquerading as neighborhood watch

yes - that is obviously the only explanation
woman throwing rocks is a trade mark of this kind of hold up!!

I don't expect much better than these knee jark barbs from you. It's your trademark here to get overblown really quickly.

yawn...the truth hurts son..
you started it.
Is it just me or does the Reno area seem filled with idiots?
Gun nuts, republicans, xenophobes, paranoids - I would honestly advice that ya all check the water for lead!

they should be glad they did not pull over in Reno - chances are pretty good they would have been lit up with automatic weapons
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:37am PT
When I was in Argentina two years ago we met a bunch of people who had driven
all the way down there with no problems other than bad roads, etc. The
people in this story had too much Kumbaya in the gas tank and, at that,
were running on fumes.
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:46am PT
I would have zero fears of visiting this village.

Me neither. In a gun truck.
dave729

Sport climber
Placer
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:50am PT
our government is good at gifting attitude adjustment to places like that

Credit: dave729

Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:53am PT
So why the Village of the Pitchfork People?

Who knows what the history of that village is.

A fellow worker of mine grew up in a small village in Yugoslavia. The Germans had not exactly been the most behaved guests during their stay in that village. He told me that shortly after the war some poor schmuck drove into the village in a Mercedes. He was pulled from his German car by a mob and beaten to death. His crime was being in the wrong place at the wrong time in a German car.
neversummer

Trad climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:54am PT
Latin America = giant sh#t hole. In the best case, always having to think about how the next person is going to try to get your money and how you're going to try to prevent it - non-fuking stop 24/7 game until you're on a plane out of the country - it gets old. No thanks - did some trips, saw everything I wanted to see, never going back

exactly.
BJ

climber
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:55am PT
I would donate to help with medical expenses, but they're SOL for the iPods.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:57am PT
they should be glad they did not pull over in Reno - chances are pretty good they would have been lit up with automatic weapons

I spent years hanging out in Reno and never felt threatened.

Where'd that thought come from?



Glad that they made it out OK, cultural faux pas or not.
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 4, 2013 - 11:59am PT
To avoid a country as huge and rich geographically as Peru based on a single such incident smacks of racism,

don't know if that remark is directed at me, but you don't know me.

there is still to much to see and do in this country for me to leave the country for adventure
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Jan 4, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
I spent years hanging out in Reno and never felt threatened.

Where'd that thought come from?

Because Riley believes everything he thinks? I'll leave him to his "witty" ad nauseum wind storm. Batten down the hatches! Jajajajajajaja!
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jan 4, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
The story makes no sense. I assume they were trespassing and when told to leave, the people of the village didn't think they were leaving. Peru is one of the safest countries there is for tourists. They're lucky they got through Colombia without getting into even worse trouble.
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