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blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
Maybe the village had experienced violence and crime from out-of-towners, were expecting more trouble, and were alert and ready to fight back? Their response sounds like some kind of third-world Neighborhood Watch scenario.
Yeah, that sounds plausible--you really have to watch it when you see a group consisting of 1 guy and two girls masquerading as being on a long camping trip roll into your town--who knows what havoc they could wreak? Sending in the two girls would be a good "advance scouting team" for the invaders waiting in the wings.

Always interesting (if fairly predictable) to see people's reactions to these types of things. Everything from the "the ugly Americans started it" (seemingly implausible if you believe the account, and if you don't believe it, how could you have any opinion at all?) to the "this is from centuries of gringo oppression."
I'm of the I'm-surprised-this-doesn't-happen-more-often school, but I freely admit that is pure conjecture.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
I think the proper protocol is to hire a local guide, to take you through the rough areas. Not all Peruvian guides are women, but these are.




JLP

Social climber
The internet
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
I think the proper protocol is to hire a local guide, to take you through the rough areas.
Have fun negotiating costs on that one, and see what path you take and who you meet along the way and what the police think when they find out your "tour guide" from two villages away isn't officially registered locally in some weird way.
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
"I think the proper protocol is to hire a local guide, to take you through the rough areas."

Yeah, that's a tough one when you're driving. Walking, maybe.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
It's interesting that the majority (by far) of anthropologists never get attacked and/or robbed. An acquaintance of mine lived with modern day (automatic weapons equipped) headhunters in the Phillipines, never got held up once.

See for example


Cultural Anthropology: An Applied Perspective
Gary Ferraro

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
When I was in Argentina two years ago we met a bunch of people who had driven
all the way down there with no problems other than bad roads, etc. The
people in this story had too much Kumbaya in the gas tank and, at that,
were running on fumes.
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
I would have zero fears of visiting this village.

Me neither. In a gun truck.
dave729

Sport climber
Placer
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
our government is good at gifting attitude adjustment to places like that

Credit: dave729

Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:53pm PT
So why the Village of the Pitchfork People?

Who knows what the history of that village is.

A fellow worker of mine grew up in a small village in Yugoslavia. The Germans had not exactly been the most behaved guests during their stay in that village. He told me that shortly after the war some poor schmuck drove into the village in a Mercedes. He was pulled from his German car by a mob and beaten to death. His crime was being in the wrong place at the wrong time in a German car.
neversummer

Trad climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
Latin America = giant sh#t hole. In the best case, always having to think about how the next person is going to try to get your money and how you're going to try to prevent it - non-fuking stop 24/7 game until you're on a plane out of the country - it gets old. No thanks - did some trips, saw everything I wanted to see, never going back

exactly.
BJ

climber
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:55pm PT
I would donate to help with medical expenses, but they're SOL for the iPods.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
they should be glad they did not pull over in Reno - chances are pretty good they would have been lit up with automatic weapons

I spent years hanging out in Reno and never felt threatened.

Where'd that thought come from?



Glad that they made it out OK, cultural faux pas or not.
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
To avoid a country as huge and rich geographically as Peru based on a single such incident smacks of racism,

don't know if that remark is directed at me, but you don't know me.

there is still to much to see and do in this country for me to leave the country for adventure
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Jan 4, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
I spent years hanging out in Reno and never felt threatened.

Where'd that thought come from?

Because Riley believes everything he thinks? I'll leave him to his "witty" ad nauseum wind storm. Batten down the hatches! Jajajajajajaja!
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jan 4, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
The story makes no sense. I assume they were trespassing and when told to leave, the people of the village didn't think they were leaving. Peru is one of the safest countries there is for tourists. They're lucky they got through Colombia without getting into even worse trouble.
Michelle

Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
Jan 4, 2013 - 03:06pm PT
Riley backed down like a Peruvian tourist. Wow.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 4, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
Man, wouldn't ol' Rokjox be preaching up a storm right now?

All about how to travel and be tough and back down the bad guy.
We had some epic pose downs from that guy.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 4, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
Can anyone verify this whole story? Just askin.... There would have to be plenty of relatives/friends back here who could easily do that...

It seems odd to me that she includes a laundry list (with retail/new prices) of everything that was stolen for her story.

If I, and my friends were attacked that savagely for no reason and injured to such an extent my main goal would become to get the Hell out of there, not to recoup $$ for my lost iThingy.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Jan 4, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
It seems odd to me that she includes a laundry list (with retail/new prices) of everything that was stolen for her story.

You obviously have never lived with a 'Type A' woman.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Jan 4, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
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