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TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Jan 4, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
this is horrible I feel very badly for them. I have traveled to Peru many, many times to climb and explore. I have never experienced anything like this, nor have any of my friends, thankfully. My heart goes put to these folks. You're much safer in the mountains ,climbing. TY
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 4, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
The U.S. Department of State rates Peru CRITICAL for crime due in part to the country having one of the highest reported crime rates in Latin America. Crime is a constant problem in Lima and most other parts of Peru. Pickpocketing, purse snatching, “smash and grab” robberies, the theft of items from unoccupied vehicles, and the theft of vehicle parts (mirrors, lights, etc.) are common crimes. Electronics (especially cameras, laptops, GPSs, smart phones, I-Pods, etc) rank high on the list of items that criminals target. Armed robberies, assaults, express kidnappings, carjackings, burglaries, and petty theft are a daily fact of life. Street crime is prevalent in most urban areas, especially in Lima. While gratuitous violence committed against foreigners is infrequent, according to Peruvian National Police (PNP) statistics, assaults and robberies involving violence have been on the rise over the last four years.

https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=12225

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Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
Anybody who expects more than a modicum of help from a US embassy is seriously
deluded, unless you are somebody. And if you're in the hinterlands - fuggetaboutit.
Of course, if you become a news item then you can expect more but by then it
will do you precious little good, more than likely.
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:17pm PT
It was getting dark and we knew that driving in the dark was dangerous ...
Dumbasses
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
I wonder what it was about this particular village. You can opine all you want about how they were dumbasses, but the fact remains that they spent hundreds of nights out there and this incident happened in one specific place. So why the Village of the Pitchfork People?
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
So why the Village of the Pitchfork People?


Yes, if totally believable, their story paints a picture of a strange, organized vendetta.
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
I guess. It sounds like the main mistake was driving 'away' in the wrong direction.
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
very sad story; and I'm within weeks of starting a bike ride across South America. Wake up notice. (by the way, I've been climbing in that exact region some decades ago)

But as to the why, I'm no Peruvian expert, but for 30 years the Shinning Path and the (US supported) central government have been at war in those parts. If the shinning path comes into a village and you don't feed them, they shoot all the men in the village. If you do feed them the gov forces come into town and shoot all the men. Neutrals can't win.

In addition, many villages were instructed by government forces to create "self defense" leagues, to keep the Shinning Path out of their towns. Clearly the victims are neither in this case, but I can sort of understand the paranoia infecting the villagers. In retrospect, accepting the absolute authority of the gang and the presidente may have led to less horrible outcome. Yes they are ignorant villagers, they've been harassed by outsiders for decades, there no doubt was a touch of mob madness involved. But these people have to dig in the mud for 1" diameter potatoes to feed their children. I wouldn't demonize them.

again, very sad.
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
Good luck on the bike trip mike. Can't wait to see/hear about it.

I was under the impression that the Shining Path hadn't been much of an issue for the last 10 years or so.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:01pm PT

I would have zero fears of visiting this village.

We should start a fund, ahahahaa....

I dunno, it sounds like they wandered into some form of community-based strong armed robbery to me. I got into my own situation in a rural part of Mexico once and lived. I don't care what jibes you want to throw my way to prove you're the experienced traveler of distinction loved by all oppressed people everywhere, I avoided an attempted murder.

A former friend of mine tried to throw the same jibes you are attempting, Riley, instinctively assuming the ugly American waded into the situation. I could only laugh later when he was held up at machete point. Karma's a bitch, so go to Peru, super dooooooddd!!! Jajajajajaasokg,bjifadlkf!!!!
crunch

Social climber
CO
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
It was getting dark and we knew that driving in the dark was dangerous ...
Dumbasses

Some truth in this. If driving is "dangerous", surely stopping is worse?

And, once the locals began behaving suspiciously, why did they decide to drive farther UP the side road they were on, instead of hightailing it back to the main road?

But, they could hardly have expected what was in store, sounds horrific, Deliverance done for real. Hope the victims recover okay from their injuries.

Have to wonder what the villagers' story would be. Sounds awful organized for a simple car-jacking robbery. Maybe the village had experienced violence and crime from out-of-towners, were expecting more trouble, and were alert and ready to fight back? Their response sounds like some kind of third-world Neighborhood Watch scenario.
John M

climber
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
A village just doesn't attack you and go crazy like that for no reason..

Yes and no.. I could believe that these people didn't do anything to warrant this attack. There are plenty of stories of crazy people becoming the bully leaders of communities. Bullies don't need a reason, other then you happened by. The leader of this community sounds like a bully.
John M

climber
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
Some truth in this. If driving is "dangerous", surely stopping is worse?

Climbing is dangerous, stopping is worse. heh heh..
John M

climber
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
They had already been physically attacked when the pepper spray was sprayed.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
That kind of corruption and hold up scheme has a lot to do with the third world, Riley. A lot of us have been in bad parts of America, it has nothing to do with getting stoned by a community.

I'd say there was something very strange going on and it is probably hard to say what went really went down, although it certainly escalated, no doubt aided by the language/customs barrier.

i didnt say anything like this - and you're an idiot for assuming so..

I don't expect much better than these knee jark barbs from you. It's your trademark here to get overblown really quickly.

edit: Jajajajajajaja!!!RE111
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
these people have to dig in the mud for 1" diameter potatoes to feed their children.
This might be true, but I do like how they get to run around with our cell phones.

I wonder who got the nano-puffs?

This whole incident really comes down to that fancy truck, their cloths and the villagers wanting a piece of it.

Latin America = giant sh#t hole.

In the best case, always having to think about how the next person is going to try to get your money and how you're going to try to prevent it - non-fuking stop 24/7 game until you're on a plane out of the country - it gets old.

No thanks - did some trips, saw everything I wanted to see, never going back.
TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
They made several mistakes in my reading of their story. However, my guess is my Peruvian friends are not proud of their countrymen. TY
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
The people were trying to f*#k with them. Why else would they say it's OK to park, and then start blowing the whistles etc.? Clearly it was a case of mass robbery.

I guess their radar wasn't quite sharp enough for that situation.
John M

climber
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
I would like to hear what you think their mistakes were.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
Yeah, JLP, money grab. That pretty much explains the whole thing: a money grab masquerading as neighborhood watch.
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