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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2012 - 06:02pm PT
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What does your unbelievably bold style have to do with sh#t at the buttermilks?
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Hey I made a sign for you guys, sadly I can't do any other languages. If someone sends me their adress I can send it down. I'll throw in a 2x4 stake and a few nails with assembly instructions. I don't think some posted regulations can hurt in any overused area.
Even though the Bdays are beautiful they're also packed with rvs, trailers, tents, & SUVs most times so I think they would be a more functional place. Down below might be too far away for many pad ppl. Although I do agree with the aesthetic stand point as well. I'm not a local there by any means but I care about the milks & hope they can be freely used by those looking for one of the prettiest climbing areas around.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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they call him stumpy now..
Oh my
Susan
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2012 - 07:58pm PT
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Way more people than dogs.
NO PEOPLE.
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Grippa
Trad climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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Sounds similar to the situation in Joe's Valley or Indian Creek. Once those two locations obtained local support for sanitation people got wise, and started using them out of respect for the location as well as one another.
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Brian
climber
California
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The wife and I used to camp around the Buttermilks all the time back in the 80s and early 90s, then the big boom in bouldering hit and things got crazy pretty quick. After moving away for a couple of years and then moving back, we returned to the Eastside and hit up the Buttermilks again. The enormous amount of human sh#t on the ground, not even an attempt at a burial, as well as the used TP blown into nearby bushes just floored me. Gutted. Seriously, multiple instances of human sh#t and TP sitting on the ground within a couple of feet of boulders (generally ones with easier routes or aspects that my wife would have climbed). I know I sound like every other middle aged curmudgeon, but the magic of that place has been seriously altered for me. The climbing is still great, the views are still great, but something of the spirit has died, at least for me. Very sad.
Best of luck to everyone fighting the good fight and trying to clean things up or at least keep them under control. Though I'm pessimistic, I appreciate it. We need more good folks like that.
Brian
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 12:17am PT
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My dog ate more than his body weight in human sh#t every day when he was growing up in Maple Canyon. If you left a turd in the woods between 2002 and 2007, he most likely ate it. Plus a handful of winners in Rifle, Joes, Ibex, Fagstuff, and yes Bishop.
We are adding over 70 million people a year to this planet. Crowds are only going to get bigger. The place is only going to get shittier. And the numb nuts on stupidtaco think shitting in a plastic bag is the answer. Unfukingbelievable.
Oh, and education?!? Yeah, we have a hard enough time teaching kids to do simple percentages and fractions by the time they get to college. Good luck with that.
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Steve's sister
Social climber
Las Vegas, NV
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Dec 10, 2012 - 12:26am PT
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Wow, what happened to Leave No Trace??
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damo62
Social climber
Brisbane
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Dec 10, 2012 - 12:38am PT
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HA Ha MesChrist is getting warmed up, it's gonna be good...
Seriously though, anybody got a vacuum, maybe a dyson...instead of posting...
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 10, 2012 - 01:54am PT
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How might the land owner/manager (BLM?) and other users see this? As a problem? How about county sanitation people?
It sounds like a well-placed and well-maintained composting toilet there is overdue, assuming that it's warm enough there at the right times to work properly.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Dec 10, 2012 - 02:25am PT
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Its likely to end up just getting dumped in the bush afterwards anyhow....or thrown in manor marts dumpster.....any number of other inappropriate options.....if folks could behave, we, ahem, they, wouldnt have an issue.
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Dec 10, 2012 - 02:27am PT
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In my opinion, whoever makes the breakthrough guide or whatnot for an area should also be obligated to participate in solving/forseeing issues like this. If youre going to draw a shitload of people to an area by writing a mega-guidebook, you are, in essence, contributing to the problem.
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Relic
Social climber
Vancouver, BC
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Dec 10, 2012 - 03:30am PT
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It ain't that bad in the milks.
No buddies gonna sh#t in a bag cept some weirdos.
Most sensible people will sh#t in town before heading there.
Campers near the milks generally sh#t far away from the boulders in the shitfields across the road. It's good poopin over there.
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Ryan Tetz
Trad climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Dec 10, 2012 - 07:39am PT
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I have a growing dislike for the birthday boulder in particular the longer I'm living in Bishop. We should air lift that thing out of there! Most overclimbed boulder ever eva!
The lower turn off is a bad place for the toilet. Everyone camps up top and it would be out of walking range for a lot of folks in the top lot/climbing at the birthday boulders. No not impossible range, but I think a lot of folks would not walk all the way down there if they are climbing out of the upper lot/camping.
Is there only those 2 spots that we can come up with? What about along the road in between the 2 parking areas somewhere? That seems like it would be ideal for everybody. What about at the birthdays but further back somewhere around the cattle guard off to the left there?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Dec 10, 2012 - 10:40am PT
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Why not build a giant kitty litter box with deodorized litter...This way several boulderers could squat at the same time...There would have to be several rakes though...?
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Dec 10, 2012 - 10:51am PT
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We should just relocate the buttermilks to temecula or something
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Dec 10, 2012 - 11:20am PT
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It's hard to proj Iron Man Traverse when you have 1.5lbs of poo in your butt
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Roger Brown
climber
Oceano, California
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Dec 10, 2012 - 12:18pm PT
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I just saw this and didn't read all the posts so this may have already been said. As "Hippies" in the 70's we lived with a outhouse. I dug the hole over 6' deep and a bit wider at the bottom. It worked for the 4 of us and all our friends for over 5 years, and was still several feet deep when we left. I think we had a bucket of lime and a cup for sprinkling it over the "deposit". I built it on skids so it could be moved to another hole. If you ask, they will never let you do it. Just do it and do quality work. They will be pissed, but I bet it will stay. To work, it has to be special. No nali gun slam bang stuff. Hand built, quality workmanship, a one of a kind thing. Just a 1 seater but heavy and stout so it is really hard to steal. Build it somewhere else, and place it at night if necessary. Just my thoughts on this fine morning.
Roger
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 10, 2012 - 12:20pm PT
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RJ, rakes, such as yerself, don't squat.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Dec 10, 2012 - 12:24pm PT
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*sigh* Another overcrowded area with issues....
Too much stone in the world to pack together like lemmings.
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