Buttermilks poop house? COME ON WTF?

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Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 9, 2012 - 03:01pm PT
Unless you're camped there, there's no reason you should be taking a dump there. Day use areas don't need shitters.

Take a sh#t first thing in the morning - like a normal person does - and be done with.

Think ahead. You don't gotta be Nostradamus to see far enough into the future to know you'll need to crap at some point during the day.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Dec 9, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
Well that's all well and good for those who have gotten into the sit-on-the-throne-first-thing daily habit, but not everyone is that...anal. har har har....

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2012 - 03:05pm PT
Anal or not, we can no longer ignore the fact that steaming piles of people are camping out there nearly every night.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 9, 2012 - 03:08pm PT


What's the big deal with bringing in a fuking toilet???...

If everyone is dumping all over the place it sounds like a reasonable idea to me...




I've seen them at MANY crags and they're ALWAYS full...

Obviously people aren't sh!tting the way someone suggest they should here...

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 9, 2012 - 03:15pm PT
(fwiw, I didn't ask CMac directly... I just got another account... but being the failed carpenter and aspiring savior that I am, I liked the "our father... resurrected bit)


Ah, well develop a roster of new account names, you'll probably find your account deactivated at some completely random time. It's petty like that.

Anyway, I agree with your shitter ideas, it seems a lot more realistic than expecting the unheralded development of wilderness ethics from a bunch of pad packers. They don't have room for wag bags between their quiver of shoes, ginormous chalk bucket, and av gear.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2012 - 04:34pm PT
From a hydrology standpoint, I think a composting pit in the lower parking lot is the way to go. The soil is very coarse, highly permeable, and there is plenty of material for the composted sh#t to percolate through before reaching any surface water. Hell of a lot better than the alternatives. I suspect this will enhance the scenic beauty of the area by producing a large, lush riparian area immediately downstream of the toilet.

http://www.construction-index.com/usa-composting-toilets.asp



(Mr. Jebus Bomz: I've never met CMac, but I have a few friends who know him. He doesn't seem like a petty person to me and I have nothing against him. I think my particular banning was bullshit since every post I made in that thread included a video of sketchy Andy. But truth be told, I should have been banned many times before but wasn't... so eh, whatever... I have tons of modeling to do and the stupidtaco is the perfect place to burn 5-10 min between runs.)
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 9, 2012 - 05:55pm PT
Half the point is education

How do you educate people who clearly do not care? And, as was already said,
I doubt they would walk more than 100 yards to use a one-holer - they
might miss some drama at the boulder.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2012 - 06:02pm PT
What does your unbelievably bold style have to do with sh#t at the buttermilks?
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 9, 2012 - 06:06pm PT
Composting toilet like the ones at Shelf Road is definitely the way to go here.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 9, 2012 - 06:36pm PT
Education is key
Education is key
Credit: RyanD

Hey I made a sign for you guys, sadly I can't do any other languages. If someone sends me their adress I can send it down. I'll throw in a 2x4 stake and a few nails with assembly instructions. I don't think some posted regulations can hurt in any overused area.

Even though the Bdays are beautiful they're also packed with rvs, trailers, tents, & SUVs most times so I think they would be a more functional place. Down below might be too far away for many pad ppl. Although I do agree with the aesthetic stand point as well. I'm not a local there by any means but I care about the milks & hope they can be freely used by those looking for one of the prettiest climbing areas around.
dave

climber
Earth
Dec 9, 2012 - 06:53pm PT
Oh ya. Leave the dogs at home they're possy'ing up and forming gangs out there, shitting everywhere. Its horrendous. NO DOGS!
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Dec 9, 2012 - 07:28pm PT
they call him stumpy now..

Oh my



Susan
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2012 - 07:58pm PT
Way more people than dogs.

NO PEOPLE.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 9, 2012 - 08:33pm PT
Boy, it's hard to satisfy the climbing community, eh?

Every time I've seen a pit toilet near crags, it has been a good thing. Even if it's set off from the climbing, people will hold it if they know there's a nearby option. If they have to wait till town and are turtle heading... well, you get more of the same.

Decide on a good, central place to the area to place the toilet and make sure everybody knows. I don't climb there though, so you guys can continue to play in your poo and tout solutions that don't work for all I care.

I'm only surprised people aren't throwing ass kiegels out as a solution yet, it seems in line in terms of likelihood.


Mr. Jebus Bomz: I've never met CMac, but I have a few friends who know him. He doesn't seem like a petty person to me and I have nothing against him. I think my particular banning was bullshit since every post I made in that thread included a video of sketchy Andy. But truth be told, I should have been banned many times before but wasn't... so eh, whatever...


I'm sure he's a great guy, I just don't agree with the manner he has conducted a number of bannings. I probably never will. Don't worry though, I'm sure he'll catch you up on those bannings you deserved once the old intruder alarm goes off ;).
Grippa

Trad climber
Salt Lake City, UT
Dec 9, 2012 - 08:42pm PT
Sounds similar to the situation in Joe's Valley or Indian Creek. Once those two locations obtained local support for sanitation people got wise, and started using them out of respect for the location as well as one another.
Brian

climber
California
Dec 9, 2012 - 11:57pm PT
The wife and I used to camp around the Buttermilks all the time back in the 80s and early 90s, then the big boom in bouldering hit and things got crazy pretty quick. After moving away for a couple of years and then moving back, we returned to the Eastside and hit up the Buttermilks again. The enormous amount of human sh#t on the ground, not even an attempt at a burial, as well as the used TP blown into nearby bushes just floored me. Gutted. Seriously, multiple instances of human sh#t and TP sitting on the ground within a couple of feet of boulders (generally ones with easier routes or aspects that my wife would have climbed). I know I sound like every other middle aged curmudgeon, but the magic of that place has been seriously altered for me. The climbing is still great, the views are still great, but something of the spirit has died, at least for me. Very sad.

Best of luck to everyone fighting the good fight and trying to clean things up or at least keep them under control. Though I'm pessimistic, I appreciate it. We need more good folks like that.

Brian
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 12:17am PT
My dog ate more than his body weight in human sh#t every day when he was growing up in Maple Canyon. If you left a turd in the woods between 2002 and 2007, he most likely ate it. Plus a handful of winners in Rifle, Joes, Ibex, Fagstuff, and yes Bishop.



We are adding over 70 million people a year to this planet. Crowds are only going to get bigger. The place is only going to get shittier. And the numb nuts on stupidtaco think shitting in a plastic bag is the answer. Unfukingbelievable.

Oh, and education?!? Yeah, we have a hard enough time teaching kids to do simple percentages and fractions by the time they get to college. Good luck with that.
Steve's sister

Social climber
Las Vegas, NV
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:26am PT
Wow, what happened to Leave No Trace??
damo62

Social climber
Brisbane
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:38am PT
HA Ha MesChrist is getting warmed up, it's gonna be good...

Seriously though, anybody got a vacuum, maybe a dyson...instead of posting...
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:52am PT
HA Ha MesChrist is getting warmed up, it's gonna be good...

His flair for a rant is undeniable.
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