Buttermilks poop house? COME ON WTF?


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Gym climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:58am PT
They make kick ass sit down 5 gallon bucket shitters for cheap. Take one use it.

Open your car door set that thing down with a nice view of Mt. Tom and ....... What's so hard about this concept.

Truckee, CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:25am PT
Its likely to end up just getting dumped in the bush afterwards anyhow....or thrown in manor marts dumpster.....any number of other inappropriate options.....if folks could behave, we, ahem, they, wouldnt have an issue.

Truckee, CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:27am PT
In my opinion, whoever makes the breakthrough guide or whatnot for an area should also be obligated to participate in solving/forseeing issues like this. If youre going to draw a shitload of people to an area by writing a mega-guidebook, you are, in essence, contributing to the problem.
Jebus H Bomz

Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 10, 2012 - 03:04am PT
I still think it's a matter of what's going to actually work. All the methods of proper self disposal are out there already and the place is still a litter box.

Get one of those nice Access Fund pit toilets going and I think you'll actually see some change. Place a donation box nearby to help pay ongoing expenses, maybe hold some poo parties as a benefit to raise the initial funds. Maybe Chinchen's band laying down some music, Mammoth brew kicking down some drink, the local climbing shops getting involved, etc., etc.?

People are creatures of convenience, so make it convenient.

I have to admit, I've taken my crappy shits out there. If we're being honest, a lot of us have not been the best at taking care of our sh#t. 99% of times I've done my dirty doo it's in areas that have not been impacted much, not nearly as trafficked as The Buttermilks, but I vow to do a better job for my part. But even behaving better, I'm not going to sit around railing on over the completely predictable fact people take the easy, irresponsible way out. What does that get anybody? Jack sh#t.

Keep preaching on though, brother Wes! I love the smell of napalm in the morning, that fire and brimstone you deliver so well.

Social climber
Vancouver, BC
Dec 10, 2012 - 03:30am PT
It ain't that bad in the milks.
No buddies gonna sh#t in a bag cept some weirdos.
Most sensible people will sh#t in town before heading there.
Campers near the milks generally sh#t far away from the boulders in the shitfields across the road. It's good poopin over there.
Ryan Tetz

Trad climber
Flagstaff, AZ
Dec 10, 2012 - 07:39am PT
I have a growing dislike for the birthday boulder in particular the longer I'm living in Bishop. We should air lift that thing out of there! Most overclimbed boulder ever eva!

The lower turn off is a bad place for the toilet. Everyone camps up top and it would be out of walking range for a lot of folks in the top lot/climbing at the birthday boulders. No not impossible range, but I think a lot of folks would not walk all the way down there if they are climbing out of the upper lot/camping.

Is there only those 2 spots that we can come up with? What about along the road in between the 2 parking areas somewhere? That seems like it would be ideal for everybody. What about at the birthdays but further back somewhere around the cattle guard off to the left there?


Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 10, 2012 - 10:40am PT
Why not build a giant kitty litter box with deodorized litter...This way several boulderers could squat at the same time...There would have to be several rakes though...?

Truckee, CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 10:51am PT
We should just relocate the buttermilks to temecula or something

Sport climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:20am PT
It's hard to proj Iron Man Traverse when you have 1.5lbs of poo in your butt
Roger Brown

Oceano, California
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:18pm PT
I just saw this and didn't read all the posts so this may have already been said. As "Hippies" in the 70's we lived with a outhouse. I dug the hole over 6' deep and a bit wider at the bottom. It worked for the 4 of us and all our friends for over 5 years, and was still several feet deep when we left. I think we had a bucket of lime and a cup for sprinkling it over the "deposit". I built it on skids so it could be moved to another hole. If you ask, they will never let you do it. Just do it and do quality work. They will be pissed, but I bet it will stay. To work, it has to be special. No nali gun slam bang stuff. Hand built, quality workmanship, a one of a kind thing. Just a 1 seater but heavy and stout so it is really hard to steal. Build it somewhere else, and place it at night if necessary. Just my thoughts on this fine morning.

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:20pm PT
RJ, rakes, such as yerself, don't squat.

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:24pm PT
*sigh* Another overcrowded area with issues....

Too much stone in the world to pack together like lemmings.

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 12:25pm PT
in this age of forums and the intarweb

Totally not true. The bouldering here in Tahoe is pretty much exploding. There are a few groups of motivated folks putting up fuktons of new stuff. This summer was the first time I saw "the hordes" at one of the new areas, but that was one weekend and one area. 99% of the time the areas on the SoShore are empty.

I guarantee that will change as soon as the guide comes out next summer.

I dug the hole over 6' deep and a bit wider at the bottom. It worked for the 4 of us and all our friends for over 5 years

Assuming 1 sh#t per day per person, your hole would hold 7,300 shits total, less any volume lost due to decomposition.

60 cars at the Buttmilks is moderately crowded (way too crowded for me, but not unheard of by any means). Assuming 3 people per car and only half of them sh#t up there, that's 90 shits a day on a moderate day. Assume a month of ubercrowds per year (120 poops a day), a month of moderate crowds per year (90 poops a day), and a month of dwindling crowds per year (60 poops per day). A very conservative estimate is over 8,000 shits per year.

... and was still several feet deep when we left...

fukin hippies.

Trad climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:41pm PT
One thing for sure is that the majority of people are just not going to crap in wag or shopping bags or a bucket. Truth be told, I don't really like carrying poop around in my pack.
PSP also PP

Trad climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
I am in the poop permit assistance business. I help people get permits to sh#t on their land (ie septic systems). It is a very strictly regulated area and it is expensive to do it the ways that are required. For instance if you have a pump out shitter like the ones at JT They cost money at all ends for permiting to install to pump outs. Composting toilets are good for small uses and for people that really like play with their sh#t. They rarely work well when it is other peoples shit; they require some one that wants to take responsibility of other peoples sh#t and you have to be able to take it some where when it is composted and permits only allow you to take it to a dump and even they don't want it. you can't have a septic system unless you have a water supply . SO , I suggest you have a information kiosk with the sh#t in a bag supplies with an iron post for donations and several facelifts a year you could call them shitlifts.


Gym climber
South of Heaven
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 01:56pm PT
Me thinks you should retire, cuz you don't know sh#t.

"A composting toilet is a dry toilet that uses a predominantly aerobic processing system that treats excreta, typically with no water or small volumes of flush water, via composting or managed aerobic decomposition. Composting toilets may be used as an alternative to flush toilets in situations where there is no suitable water supply or waste treatment facility available or to capture nutrients in human excreta as humanure. They are in use in many of the roadside facilities in Sweden and in national parks in both the United States and the United Kingdom."

"Frequency of emptying will depend on the speed of the decomposition process and capacity, from a few months (active hot composting, [easily achieved during the Bishop summers) to years (passive, cold composting). With a properly sized and managed unit, a very small volume (about 10% of inputs) of a humus-like material results, which can be suitable as soil amendment for agriculture, depending on local public health regulations."

See also:

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
Locker would prefer a Circle K.

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 02:14pm PT
And a Starbucks, with little hotties hand delivering lattes to the base of your proj!

Hey Ron, are you one of "those" who believe allowing marriage equality for two consenting adult homosexuals will lead to people marrying their dogs 'n sh#t? The only slippery slope we have to worry about at the Buttmilks is the one caused by 1,000's of sh#t piles.

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 02:20pm PT
"Would you like cream with that?"

Trad climber
branford, ct
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:34pm PT
I was walking around the Buttermilks once, possibly looking for a place to sh#t, and came across a chick literally taking a sh#t right in front of me. The f*#ked up thing about it was that she was facing the other way so all I could see was the GIANT log coming out. It was the size of a loaf of french bread, I still have nightmares.
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