toadgas
Trad climber
los angeles
|
|
-
yeah, it's time to grab one of those GYM climbers and jam his face into his own pile of stinkin poo
-
|
|
Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
|
|
Too many climbing that really are out of place in the wilds.. See it constantly these days. Kinda like the "Stolpa's" ;-)
Lets see its winter,, theres two feet of snow on the ground and this sign says road not maintained during winter months, and its 225 miles to the nearest service. "yeah honey,, this will be a good short cut,, lets take it" !
Off they drive in their station wagon,, to near death...they call him stumpy now..
|
|
SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
|
|
they call him stumpy now..
Oh my
Susan
|
|
Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
|
|
baahaha,, his TOES ,, his toes...;=-)
|
|
mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2012 - 04:58pm PT
|
Way more people than dogs.
NO PEOPLE.
|
|
Jebus H Bomz
climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
|
|
Boy, it's hard to satisfy the climbing community, eh?
Every time I've seen a pit toilet near crags, it has been a good thing. Even if it's set off from the climbing, people will hold it if they know there's a nearby option. If they have to wait till town and are turtle heading... well, you get more of the same.
Decide on a good, central place to the area to place the toilet and make sure everybody knows. I don't climb there though, so you guys can continue to play in your poo and tout solutions that don't work for all I care.
I'm only surprised people aren't throwing ass kiegels out as a solution yet, it seems in line in terms of likelihood.
Mr. Jebus Bomz: I've never met CMac, but I have a few friends who know him. He doesn't seem like a petty person to me and I have nothing against him. I think my particular banning was bullshit since every post I made in that thread included a video of sketchy Andy. But truth be told, I should have been banned many times before but wasn't... so eh, whatever...
I'm sure he's a great guy, I just don't agree with the manner he has conducted a number of bannings. I probably never will. Don't worry though, I'm sure he'll catch you up on those bannings you deserved once the old intruder alarm goes off ;).
|
|
toadgas
Trad climber
los angeles
|
|
-
I'm sure he's a great guy, I just don't agree with the manner he has conducted a number of bannings.
cmac needs to post a TR of his Complete Girdle of El Cap
without a doubt, the whackiest and most unrelenting of all NA rock climbs
-
|
|
Grippa
Trad climber
Salt Lake City, UT
|
|
Sounds similar to the situation in Joe's Valley or Indian Creek. Once those two locations obtained local support for sanitation people got wise, and started using them out of respect for the location as well as one another.
|
|
toadgas
Trad climber
los angeles
|
|
Oh ya. Leave the dogs at home they're possy'ing up and forming gangs out there, shitting everywhere. Its horrendous. NO DOGS!
goddammit! this aint rocket science!!!!!!!!
you get the dogs that love to gobble up fresh human turds, then those dogs turn around an eat their own turds dammit
soon enuff there aint a Turd in sight in all the Buttermilks!!!!
TURD EATIN DOGS....PROBLEM SOLVED ALREADY
-
|
|
Brian
climber
California
|
|
The wife and I used to camp around the Buttermilks all the time back in the 80s and early 90s, then the big boom in bouldering hit and things got crazy pretty quick. After moving away for a couple of years and then moving back, we returned to the Eastside and hit up the Buttermilks again. The enormous amount of human sh#t on the ground, not even an attempt at a burial, as well as the used TP blown into nearby bushes just floored me. Gutted. Seriously, multiple instances of human sh#t and TP sitting on the ground within a couple of feet of boulders (generally ones with easier routes or aspects that my wife would have climbed). I know I sound like every other middle aged curmudgeon, but the magic of that place has been seriously altered for me. The climbing is still great, the views are still great, but something of the spirit has died, at least for me. Very sad.
Best of luck to everyone fighting the good fight and trying to clean things up or at least keep them under control. Though I'm pessimistic, I appreciate it. We need more good folks like that.
Brian
|
|
mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2012 - 09:17pm PT
|
My dog ate more than his body weight in human sh#t every day when he was growing up in Maple Canyon. If you left a turd in the woods between 2002 and 2007, he most likely ate it. Plus a handful of winners in Rifle, Joes, Ibex, Fagstuff, and yes Bishop.
We are adding over 70 million people a year to this planet. Crowds are only going to get bigger. The place is only going to get shittier. And the numb nuts on stupidtaco think shitting in a plastic bag is the answer. Unfukingbelievable.
Oh, and education?!? Yeah, we have a hard enough time teaching kids to do simple percentages and fractions by the time they get to college. Good luck with that.
|
|
Steve's sister
Social climber
Las Vegas, NV
|
|
Wow, what happened to Leave No Trace??
|
|
damo62
Social climber
Brisbane
|
|
HA Ha MesChrist is getting warmed up, it's gonna be good...
Seriously though, anybody got a vacuum, maybe a dyson...instead of posting...
|
|
Jebus H Bomz
climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
|
|
HA Ha MesChrist is getting warmed up, it's gonna be good...
His flair for a rant is undeniable.
|
|
Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
|
|
How might the land owner/manager (BLM?) and other users see this? As a problem? How about county sanitation people?
It sounds like a well-placed and well-maintained composting toilet there is overdue, assuming that it's warm enough there at the right times to work properly.
|
|
Silver
Gym climber
|
|
They make kick ass sit down 5 gallon bucket shitters for cheap. Take one use it.
Open your car door set that thing down with a nice view of Mt. Tom and ....... What's so hard about this concept.
|
|
BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
|
|
Its likely to end up just getting dumped in the bush afterwards anyhow....or thrown in manor marts dumpster.....any number of other inappropriate options.....if folks could behave, we, ahem, they, wouldnt have an issue.
|
|
BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
|
|
In my opinion, whoever makes the breakthrough guide or whatnot for an area should also be obligated to participate in solving/forseeing issues like this. If youre going to draw a shitload of people to an area by writing a mega-guidebook, you are, in essence, contributing to the problem.
|
|
Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
|
|
please,, in this age of forums and the intarweb,,you can hardly blame the guides.
|
|
Jebus H Bomz
climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
|
|
|
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:04am PT
|
I still think it's a matter of what's going to actually work. All the methods of proper self disposal are out there already and the place is still a litter box.
Get one of those nice Access Fund pit toilets going and I think you'll actually see some change. Place a donation box nearby to help pay ongoing expenses, maybe hold some poo parties as a benefit to raise the initial funds. Maybe Chinchen's band laying down some music, Mammoth brew kicking down some drink, the local climbing shops getting involved, etc., etc.?
People are creatures of convenience, so make it convenient.
I have to admit, I've taken my crappy shits out there. If we're being honest, a lot of us have not been the best at taking care of our sh#t. 99% of times I've done my dirty doo it's in areas that have not been impacted much, not nearly as trafficked as The Buttermilks, but I vow to do a better job for my part. But even behaving better, I'm not going to sit around railing on over the completely predictable fact people take the easy, irresponsible way out. What does that get anybody? Jack sh#t.
Keep preaching on though, brother Wes! I love the smell of napalm in the morning, that fire and brimstone you deliver so well.
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!