Buttermilks poop house? COME ON WTF?


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Jebus H Bomz

Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 9, 2012 - 08:33pm PT
Boy, it's hard to satisfy the climbing community, eh?

Every time I've seen a pit toilet near crags, it has been a good thing. Even if it's set off from the climbing, people will hold it if they know there's a nearby option. If they have to wait till town and are turtle heading... well, you get more of the same.

Decide on a good, central place to the area to place the toilet and make sure everybody knows. I don't climb there though, so you guys can continue to play in your poo and tout solutions that don't work for all I care.

I'm only surprised people aren't throwing ass kiegels out as a solution yet, it seems in line in terms of likelihood.

Mr. Jebus Bomz: I've never met CMac, but I have a few friends who know him. He doesn't seem like a petty person to me and I have nothing against him. I think my particular banning was bullshit since every post I made in that thread included a video of sketchy Andy. But truth be told, I should have been banned many times before but wasn't... so eh, whatever...

I'm sure he's a great guy, I just don't agree with the manner he has conducted a number of bannings. I probably never will. Don't worry though, I'm sure he'll catch you up on those bannings you deserved once the old intruder alarm goes off ;).

Trad climber
Salt Lake City, UT
Dec 9, 2012 - 08:42pm PT
Sounds similar to the situation in Joe's Valley or Indian Creek. Once those two locations obtained local support for sanitation people got wise, and started using them out of respect for the location as well as one another.

Dec 9, 2012 - 11:57pm PT
The wife and I used to camp around the Buttermilks all the time back in the 80s and early 90s, then the big boom in bouldering hit and things got crazy pretty quick. After moving away for a couple of years and then moving back, we returned to the Eastside and hit up the Buttermilks again. The enormous amount of human sh#t on the ground, not even an attempt at a burial, as well as the used TP blown into nearby bushes just floored me. Gutted. Seriously, multiple instances of human sh#t and TP sitting on the ground within a couple of feet of boulders (generally ones with easier routes or aspects that my wife would have climbed). I know I sound like every other middle aged curmudgeon, but the magic of that place has been seriously altered for me. The climbing is still great, the views are still great, but something of the spirit has died, at least for me. Very sad.

Best of luck to everyone fighting the good fight and trying to clean things up or at least keep them under control. Though I'm pessimistic, I appreciate it. We need more good folks like that.


Gym climber
South of Heaven
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 12:17am PT
My dog ate more than his body weight in human sh#t every day when he was growing up in Maple Canyon. If you left a turd in the woods between 2002 and 2007, he most likely ate it. Plus a handful of winners in Rifle, Joes, Ibex, Fagstuff, and yes Bishop.

We are adding over 70 million people a year to this planet. Crowds are only going to get bigger. The place is only going to get shittier. And the numb nuts on stupidtaco think shitting in a plastic bag is the answer. Unfukingbelievable.

Oh, and education?!? Yeah, we have a hard enough time teaching kids to do simple percentages and fractions by the time they get to college. Good luck with that.
Steve's sister

Social climber
Las Vegas, NV
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:26am PT
Wow, what happened to Leave No Trace??

Social climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:38am PT
HA Ha MesChrist is getting warmed up, it's gonna be good...

Seriously though, anybody got a vacuum, maybe a dyson...instead of posting...
Jebus H Bomz

Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:52am PT
HA Ha MesChrist is getting warmed up, it's gonna be good...

His flair for a rant is undeniable.
Mighty Hiker

Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:54am PT
How might the land owner/manager (BLM?) and other users see this? As a problem? How about county sanitation people?

It sounds like a well-placed and well-maintained composting toilet there is overdue, assuming that it's warm enough there at the right times to work properly.

Gym climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:58am PT
They make kick ass sit down 5 gallon bucket shitters for cheap. Take one use it.

Open your car door set that thing down with a nice view of Mt. Tom and ....... What's so hard about this concept.

Truckee, CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:25am PT
Its likely to end up just getting dumped in the bush afterwards anyhow....or thrown in manor marts dumpster.....any number of other inappropriate options.....if folks could behave, we, ahem, they, wouldnt have an issue.

Truckee, CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:27am PT
In my opinion, whoever makes the breakthrough guide or whatnot for an area should also be obligated to participate in solving/forseeing issues like this. If youre going to draw a shitload of people to an area by writing a mega-guidebook, you are, in essence, contributing to the problem.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:48am PT
please,, in this age of forums and the intarweb,,you can hardly blame the guides.
Jebus H Bomz

Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 10, 2012 - 03:04am PT
I still think it's a matter of what's going to actually work. All the methods of proper self disposal are out there already and the place is still a litter box.

Get one of those nice Access Fund pit toilets going and I think you'll actually see some change. Place a donation box nearby to help pay ongoing expenses, maybe hold some poo parties as a benefit to raise the initial funds. Maybe Chinchen's band laying down some music, Mammoth brew kicking down some drink, the local climbing shops getting involved, etc., etc.?

People are creatures of convenience, so make it convenient.

I have to admit, I've taken my crappy shits out there. If we're being honest, a lot of us have not been the best at taking care of our sh#t. 99% of times I've done my dirty doo it's in areas that have not been impacted much, not nearly as trafficked as The Buttermilks, but I vow to do a better job for my part. But even behaving better, I'm not going to sit around railing on over the completely predictable fact people take the easy, irresponsible way out. What does that get anybody? Jack sh#t.

Keep preaching on though, brother Wes! I love the smell of napalm in the morning, that fire and brimstone you deliver so well.

Social climber
Vancouver, BC
Dec 10, 2012 - 03:30am PT
It ain't that bad in the milks.
No buddies gonna sh#t in a bag cept some weirdos.
Most sensible people will sh#t in town before heading there.
Campers near the milks generally sh#t far away from the boulders in the shitfields across the road. It's good poopin over there.
Ryan Tetz

Trad climber
Flagstaff, AZ
Dec 10, 2012 - 07:39am PT
I have a growing dislike for the birthday boulder in particular the longer I'm living in Bishop. We should air lift that thing out of there! Most overclimbed boulder ever eva!

The lower turn off is a bad place for the toilet. Everyone camps up top and it would be out of walking range for a lot of folks in the top lot/climbing at the birthday boulders. No not impossible range, but I think a lot of folks would not walk all the way down there if they are climbing out of the upper lot/camping.

Is there only those 2 spots that we can come up with? What about along the road in between the 2 parking areas somewhere? That seems like it would be ideal for everybody. What about at the birthdays but further back somewhere around the cattle guard off to the left there?


Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 10, 2012 - 10:40am PT
Why not build a giant kitty litter box with deodorized litter...This way several boulderers could squat at the same time...There would have to be several rakes though...?

Truckee, CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 10:51am PT
We should just relocate the buttermilks to temecula or something

Sport climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:20am PT
It's hard to proj Iron Man Traverse when you have 1.5lbs of poo in your butt
Roger Brown

Oceano, California
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:18pm PT
I just saw this and didn't read all the posts so this may have already been said. As "Hippies" in the 70's we lived with a outhouse. I dug the hole over 6' deep and a bit wider at the bottom. It worked for the 4 of us and all our friends for over 5 years, and was still several feet deep when we left. I think we had a bucket of lime and a cup for sprinkling it over the "deposit". I built it on skids so it could be moved to another hole. If you ask, they will never let you do it. Just do it and do quality work. They will be pissed, but I bet it will stay. To work, it has to be special. No nali gun slam bang stuff. Hand built, quality workmanship, a one of a kind thing. Just a 1 seater but heavy and stout so it is really hard to steal. Build it somewhere else, and place it at night if necessary. Just my thoughts on this fine morning.

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:20pm PT
RJ, rakes, such as yerself, don't squat.
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