Buttermilks poop house? COME ON WTF?

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mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 12:25pm PT

in this age of forums and the intarweb

Totally not true. The bouldering here in Tahoe is pretty much exploding. There are a few groups of motivated folks putting up fuktons of new stuff. This summer was the first time I saw "the hordes" at one of the new areas, but that was one weekend and one area. 99% of the time the areas on the SoShore are empty.

I guarantee that will change as soon as the guide comes out next summer.

I dug the hole over 6' deep and a bit wider at the bottom. It worked for the 4 of us and all our friends for over 5 years

Assuming 1 sh#t per day per person, your hole would hold 7,300 shits total, less any volume lost due to decomposition.

60 cars at the Buttmilks is moderately crowded (way too crowded for me, but not unheard of by any means). Assuming 3 people per car and only half of them sh#t up there, that's 90 shits a day on a moderate day. Assume a month of ubercrowds per year (120 poops a day), a month of moderate crowds per year (90 poops a day), and a month of dwindling crowds per year (60 poops per day). A very conservative estimate is over 8,000 shits per year.

... and was still several feet deep when we left...

fukin hippies.

ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber

SLO, Ca

Dec 10, 2012 - 12:41pm PT

One thing for sure is that the majority of people are just not going to crap in wag or shopping bags or a bucket. Truth be told, I don't really like carrying poop around in my pack.

PSP also PP

Trad climber

Berkeley

Dec 10, 2012 - 01:42pm PT

Hi
I am in the poop permit assistance business. I help people get permits to sh#t on their land (ie septic systems). It is a very strictly regulated area and it is expensive to do it the ways that are required. For instance if you have a pump out shitter like the ones at JT They cost money at all ends for permiting to install to pump outs. Composting toilets are good for small uses and for people that really like play with their sh#t. They rarely work well when it is other peoples shit; they require some one that wants to take responsibility of other peoples sh#t and you have to be able to take it some where when it is composted and permits only allow you to take it to a dump and even they don't want it. you can't have a septic system unless you have a water supply . SO , I suggest you have a information kiosk with the sh#t in a bag supplies with an iron post for donations and several facelifts a year you could call them shitlifts.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 01:56pm PT

Me thinks you should retire, cuz you don't know sh#t.

"A composting toilet is a dry toilet that uses a predominantly aerobic processing system that treats excreta, typically with no water or small volumes of flush water, via composting or managed aerobic decomposition. Composting toilets may be used as an alternative to flush toilets in situations where there is no suitable water supply or waste treatment facility available or to capture nutrients in human excreta as humanure. They are in use in many of the roadside facilities in Sweden and in national parks in both the United States and the United Kingdom."

"Frequency of emptying will depend on the speed of the decomposition process and capacity, from a few months (active hot composting, [easily achieved during the Bishop summers) to years (passive, cold composting). With a properly sized and managed unit, a very small volume (about 10% of inputs) of a humus-like material results, which can be suitable as soil amendment for agriculture, depending on local public health regulations."

See also:
http://www.compostingtoilet.com/
http://www.compostingtoilet.com/LITRACK/ap_guide.pdf

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Dec 10, 2012 - 02:13pm PT

Locker would prefer a Circle K.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 02:14pm PT

And a Starbucks, with little hotties hand delivering lattes to the base of your proj!

Hey Ron, are you one of "those" who believe allowing marriage equality for two consenting adult homosexuals will lead to people marrying their dogs 'n sh#t? The only slippery slope we have to worry about at the Buttmilks is the one caused by 1,000's of sh#t piles.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 02:20pm PT

"Would you like cream with that?"

Dickly

Trad climber

branford, ct

Dec 10, 2012 - 02:34pm PT

I was walking around the Buttermilks once, possibly looking for a place to sh#t, and came across a chick literally taking a sh#t right in front of me. The f*#ked up thing about it was that she was facing the other way so all I could see was the GIANT log coming out. It was the size of a loaf of french bread, I still have nightmares.

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Dec 10, 2012 - 02:56pm PT

One of the big problems with composting toilets is that a few people put their garbage in them. They don't work with anything but faeces, urine, and toilet paper. Ideally, a toilet would also include a place for garbage disposal, but then you have to manage that also.

RyanD

climber

Squamish

Dec 10, 2012 - 03:14pm PT

Dickly that's the funniest image I can imagine! Did u see her smearing at iron man later on?! Hahahahaha!

PSP also PP

Trad climber

Berkeley

Dec 10, 2012 - 03:43pm PT

The reason why I suggested the info kiosk and sh#t supplies is because you can keep more control of the process. Once you get an official permitted shitter, there are official BLM costs and it can become a revenue generating place for BLM. Fees justified by costs. It is a slippery slope. If you are a local you end up paying day use fees and cops to enforce the fees are payed like Lovers leap. But maybe you could get cheap yearly access fees ( for locals) and it would be a possible good option to have an official shitter managed by BLM. Tourists pay a daily fee and locals pay a yearly fee. And the sh#t goes away.

Anastasia

climber

InLOVEwithAris.

Dec 10, 2012 - 03:52pm PT

First of all I carry my dog's poop out. I take care of it in the city, in the suburbs and the woods. Yes, we've been out and about in the Buttermilks. Please don't attack my dog and I because of another bad owner's actions. That is BS. Now I will accept your complaint if I and my dog actually are somehow disturbing you. Then I will correct that situation because I am responsible and considerate. It would not be the first time I left an area because someone was uncomfortable with Loki. There is enough space for everyone.

Plus I bet that is human stuff.

the Fet

climber

Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La

Dec 10, 2012 - 04:06pm PT

If you install a toilet you'd have to change the name from the BUTTermilks.

Can't we have Locker at a kiosk handing out blue butt plugs?

I like the idea of shoving the offenders noses in sh#t.

I used to work by the river in Reno, my dogs would eat the bum sh#t. Alcoholic's unhealthy sh#t is the worst smelling sh#t there is, and dogs will still eat it.

I'd say composting toilet and to avoid trash in it one of those bear proof trash cans with a door on top, like a mailbox. When it's full, it's full, a regular trash can just gets used until it's overflowing.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 04:26pm PT

I worked for the FS around Salt Lake in the early 90's. Millcreek Canyon was free back then. While on fire patrol we had to clean up the campgrounds... syringes, condoms, tampons, all kinds of nasty sh#t. Now that they charge $3 a car or $40 for a year pass, the place is WAY cleaner.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

Dec 10, 2012 - 04:33pm PT

Okay...Nobody likes the litter box idea..How bout diaper dispensers...? Just trying to help....RJ

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

Dec 10, 2012 - 04:47pm PT

Cosmic...I'm guessing the truck mounted shitter is for the buttermilks...? And the portable one is for..? RJ

strangeday

Trad climber

Brea ca.

Dec 10, 2012 - 05:08pm PT

This weirdo for one, has no problem with using a WAG bag. I'd never even seen one until I stayed at the castleton campground out near Moab. It doesn't seen like people had an issue with using them there. The access fund (and possibly others, I'm not sure) put up a little kiosk, you drop a dollar in there, and take a bag. It's not that difficult.

I bought a big box of them, and I always have one with me. They come in quite handy in jtree, where even though they have toilets. you never know when that breakfast burrito will decide its next move.

If people blame the situation in bishop on "LA gym climbers", as some are apt to do, maybe someone needs to get a bunch of WAG bags, and hold a potluck/shitting party at rockreation, and give a lesson on how to use them.