Buttermilks poop house? COME ON WTF?

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Roger Brown

climber
Oceano, California
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:18pm PT
I just saw this and didn't read all the posts so this may have already been said. As "Hippies" in the 70's we lived with a outhouse. I dug the hole over 6' deep and a bit wider at the bottom. It worked for the 4 of us and all our friends for over 5 years, and was still several feet deep when we left. I think we had a bucket of lime and a cup for sprinkling it over the "deposit". I built it on skids so it could be moved to another hole. If you ask, they will never let you do it. Just do it and do quality work. They will be pissed, but I bet it will stay. To work, it has to be special. No nali gun slam bang stuff. Hand built, quality workmanship, a one of a kind thing. Just a 1 seater but heavy and stout so it is really hard to steal. Build it somewhere else, and place it at night if necessary. Just my thoughts on this fine morning.
Roger
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:20pm PT
RJ, rakes, such as yerself, don't squat.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:24pm PT
*sigh* Another overcrowded area with issues....

Too much stone in the world to pack together like lemmings.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 12:25pm PT
in this age of forums and the intarweb

Totally not true. The bouldering here in Tahoe is pretty much exploding. There are a few groups of motivated folks putting up fuktons of new stuff. This summer was the first time I saw "the hordes" at one of the new areas, but that was one weekend and one area. 99% of the time the areas on the SoShore are empty.

I guarantee that will change as soon as the guide comes out next summer.


I dug the hole over 6' deep and a bit wider at the bottom. It worked for the 4 of us and all our friends for over 5 years

Assuming 1 sh#t per day per person, your hole would hold 7,300 shits total, less any volume lost due to decomposition.

60 cars at the Buttmilks is moderately crowded (way too crowded for me, but not unheard of by any means). Assuming 3 people per car and only half of them sh#t up there, that's 90 shits a day on a moderate day. Assume a month of ubercrowds per year (120 poops a day), a month of moderate crowds per year (90 poops a day), and a month of dwindling crowds per year (60 poops per day). A very conservative estimate is over 8,000 shits per year.


... and was still several feet deep when we left...

fukin hippies.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
SLO, Ca
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:41pm PT
One thing for sure is that the majority of people are just not going to crap in wag or shopping bags or a bucket. Truth be told, I don't really like carrying poop around in my pack.
PSP also PP

Trad climber
Berkeley
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
Hi
I am in the poop permit assistance business. I help people get permits to sh#t on their land (ie septic systems). It is a very strictly regulated area and it is expensive to do it the ways that are required. For instance if you have a pump out shitter like the ones at JT They cost money at all ends for permiting to install to pump outs. Composting toilets are good for small uses and for people that really like play with their sh#t. They rarely work well when it is other peoples shit; they require some one that wants to take responsibility of other peoples sh#t and you have to be able to take it some where when it is composted and permits only allow you to take it to a dump and even they don't want it. you can't have a septic system unless you have a water supply . SO , I suggest you have a information kiosk with the sh#t in a bag supplies with an iron post for donations and several facelifts a year you could call them shitlifts.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 01:56pm PT
Me thinks you should retire, cuz you don't know sh#t.

"A composting toilet is a dry toilet that uses a predominantly aerobic processing system that treats excreta, typically with no water or small volumes of flush water, via composting or managed aerobic decomposition. Composting toilets may be used as an alternative to flush toilets in situations where there is no suitable water supply or waste treatment facility available or to capture nutrients in human excreta as humanure. They are in use in many of the roadside facilities in Sweden and in national parks in both the United States and the United Kingdom."

"Frequency of emptying will depend on the speed of the decomposition process and capacity, from a few months (active hot composting, [easily achieved during the Bishop summers) to years (passive, cold composting). With a properly sized and managed unit, a very small volume (about 10% of inputs) of a humus-like material results, which can be suitable as soil amendment for agriculture, depending on local public health regulations."

See also:
http://www.compostingtoilet.com/
http://www.compostingtoilet.com/LITRACK/ap_guide.pdf
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
whats really needed is a quick-mart, or PDQ near the parking area which should then be paved.. Lets get all metro !
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
Locker would prefer a Circle K.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 02:14pm PT
And a Starbucks, with little hotties hand delivering lattes to the base of your proj!

Hey Ron, are you one of "those" who believe allowing marriage equality for two consenting adult homosexuals will lead to people marrying their dogs 'n sh#t? The only slippery slope we have to worry about at the Buttmilks is the one caused by 1,000's of sh#t piles.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:15pm PT

"Locker would prefer a Circle K."...


^^^

AMEN!!!...



EDITED:

"with little hotties hand delivering lattes to the base of your proj"...

Little hotties and HAND go well together...

But delivering COFFEE???...

THAT's what you come up with???...

LOL!!!...

;-)


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:20pm PT
Im one who believes marriage is a black hole in which to fall dizzily to you demise. Dont give a rip who/what/ is getting married....They are delusional at best..

And i think its high time for a CIRCLE K at the milks, with entrance fees, and security patrols checking for rouge poopers and such.

mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 02:20pm PT
"Would you like cream with that?"
Dickly

Trad climber
branford, ct
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:34pm PT
I was walking around the Buttermilks once, possibly looking for a place to sh#t, and came across a chick literally taking a sh#t right in front of me. The f*#ked up thing about it was that she was facing the other way so all I could see was the GIANT log coming out. It was the size of a loaf of french bread, I still have nightmares.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:43pm PT
prolly some around here that would pay good money to see that ROFLMAO!!!
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:45pm PT


"Would you like cream with that?"...


The train is on track and on time!!!...

Toot, toot!!!...
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:56pm PT
One of the big problems with composting toilets is that a few people put their garbage in them. They don't work with anything but faeces, urine, and toilet paper. Ideally, a toilet would also include a place for garbage disposal, but then you have to manage that also.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 10, 2012 - 03:14pm PT
Dickly that's the funniest image I can imagine! Did u see her smearing at iron man later on?! Hahahahaha!
PSP also PP

Trad climber
Berkeley
Dec 10, 2012 - 03:43pm PT
The reason why I suggested the info kiosk and sh#t supplies is because you can keep more control of the process. Once you get an official permitted shitter, there are official BLM costs and it can become a revenue generating place for BLM. Fees justified by costs. It is a slippery slope. If you are a local you end up paying day use fees and cops to enforce the fees are payed like Lovers leap. But maybe you could get cheap yearly access fees ( for locals) and it would be a possible good option to have an official shitter managed by BLM. Tourists pay a daily fee and locals pay a yearly fee. And the sh#t goes away.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Dec 10, 2012 - 03:52pm PT
First of all I carry my dog's poop out. I take care of it in the city, in the suburbs and the woods. Yes, we've been out and about in the Buttermilks. Please don't attack my dog and I because of another bad owner's actions. That is BS. Now I will accept your complaint if I and my dog actually are somehow disturbing you. Then I will correct that situation because I am responsible and considerate. It would not be the first time I left an area because someone was uncomfortable with Loki. There is enough space for everyone.

Plus I bet that is human stuff.

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