Relic
Social climber
Vancouver, BC
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Dec 10, 2012 - 12:30am PT
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It ain't that bad in the milks.
No buddies gonna sh#t in a bag cept some weirdos.
Most sensible people will sh#t in town before heading there.
Campers near the milks generally sh#t far away from the boulders in the shitfields across the road. It's good poopin over there.
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Ryan Tetz
Trad climber
Flagstaff, AZ
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Dec 10, 2012 - 04:39am PT
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I have a growing dislike for the birthday boulder in particular the longer I'm living in Bishop. We should air lift that thing out of there! Most overclimbed boulder ever eva!
The lower turn off is a bad place for the toilet. Everyone camps up top and it would be out of walking range for a lot of folks in the top lot/climbing at the birthday boulders. No not impossible range, but I think a lot of folks would not walk all the way down there if they are climbing out of the upper lot/camping.
Is there only those 2 spots that we can come up with? What about along the road in between the 2 parking areas somewhere? That seems like it would be ideal for everybody. What about at the birthdays but further back somewhere around the cattle guard off to the left there?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Dec 10, 2012 - 07:40am PT
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Why not build a giant kitty litter box with deodorized litter...This way several boulderers could squat at the same time...There would have to be several rakes though...?
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Dec 10, 2012 - 07:51am PT
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We should just relocate the buttermilks to temecula or something
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Dec 10, 2012 - 08:20am PT
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It's hard to proj Iron Man Traverse when you have 1.5lbs of poo in your butt
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Roger Brown
climber
Oceano, California
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Dec 10, 2012 - 09:18am PT
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I just saw this and didn't read all the posts so this may have already been said. As "Hippies" in the 70's we lived with a outhouse. I dug the hole over 6' deep and a bit wider at the bottom. It worked for the 4 of us and all our friends for over 5 years, and was still several feet deep when we left. I think we had a bucket of lime and a cup for sprinkling it over the "deposit". I built it on skids so it could be moved to another hole. If you ask, they will never let you do it. Just do it and do quality work. They will be pissed, but I bet it will stay. To work, it has to be special. No nali gun slam bang stuff. Hand built, quality workmanship, a one of a kind thing. Just a 1 seater but heavy and stout so it is really hard to steal. Build it somewhere else, and place it at night if necessary. Just my thoughts on this fine morning.
Roger
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 10, 2012 - 09:20am PT
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RJ, rakes, such as yerself, don't squat.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Dec 10, 2012 - 09:24am PT
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*sigh* Another overcrowded area with issues....
Too much stone in the world to pack together like lemmings.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 09:25am PT
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in this age of forums and the intarweb
Totally not true. The bouldering here in Tahoe is pretty much exploding. There are a few groups of motivated folks putting up fuktons of new stuff. This summer was the first time I saw "the hordes" at one of the new areas, but that was one weekend and one area. 99% of the time the areas on the SoShore are empty.
I guarantee that will change as soon as the guide comes out next summer.
I dug the hole over 6' deep and a bit wider at the bottom. It worked for the 4 of us and all our friends for over 5 years
Assuming 1 sh#t per day per person, your hole would hold 7,300 shits total, less any volume lost due to decomposition.
60 cars at the Buttmilks is moderately crowded (way too crowded for me, but not unheard of by any means). Assuming 3 people per car and only half of them sh#t up there, that's 90 shits a day on a moderate day. Assume a month of ubercrowds per year (120 poops a day), a month of moderate crowds per year (90 poops a day), and a month of dwindling crowds per year (60 poops per day). A very conservative estimate is over 8,000 shits per year.
... and was still several feet deep when we left...
fukin hippies.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Trad climber
SLO, Ca
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Dec 10, 2012 - 09:41am PT
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One thing for sure is that the majority of people are just not going to crap in wag or shopping bags or a bucket. Truth be told, I don't really like carrying poop around in my pack.
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Dec 10, 2012 - 10:42am PT
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Hi
I am in the poop permit assistance business. I help people get permits to sh#t on their land (ie septic systems). It is a very strictly regulated area and it is expensive to do it the ways that are required. For instance if you have a pump out shitter like the ones at JT They cost money at all ends for permiting to install to pump outs. Composting toilets are good for small uses and for people that really like play with their sh#t. They rarely work well when it is other peoples shit; they require some one that wants to take responsibility of other peoples sh#t and you have to be able to take it some where when it is composted and permits only allow you to take it to a dump and even they don't want it. you can't have a septic system unless you have a water supply . SO , I suggest you have a information kiosk with the sh#t in a bag supplies with an iron post for donations and several facelifts a year you could call them shitlifts.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 10:56am PT
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Me thinks you should retire, cuz you don't know sh#t.
"A composting toilet is a dry toilet that uses a predominantly aerobic processing system that treats excreta, typically with no water or small volumes of flush water, via composting or managed aerobic decomposition. Composting toilets may be used as an alternative to flush toilets in situations where there is no suitable water supply or waste treatment facility available or to capture nutrients in human excreta as humanure. They are in use in many of the roadside facilities in Sweden and in national parks in both the United States and the United Kingdom."
"Frequency of emptying will depend on the speed of the decomposition process and capacity, from a few months (active hot composting, [easily achieved during the Bishop summers) to years (passive, cold composting). With a properly sized and managed unit, a very small volume (about 10% of inputs) of a humus-like material results, which can be suitable as soil amendment for agriculture, depending on local public health regulations."
See also:
http://www.compostingtoilet.com/
http://www.compostingtoilet.com/LITRACK/ap_guide.pdf
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Dec 10, 2012 - 11:09am PT
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whats really needed is a quick-mart, or PDQ near the parking area which should then be paved.. Lets get all metro !
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 10, 2012 - 11:13am PT
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Locker would prefer a Circle K.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 11:14am PT
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And a Starbucks, with little hotties hand delivering lattes to the base of your proj!
Hey Ron, are you one of "those" who believe allowing marriage equality for two consenting adult homosexuals will lead to people marrying their dogs 'n sh#t? The only slippery slope we have to worry about at the Buttmilks is the one caused by 1,000's of sh#t piles.
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locker
Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
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Dec 10, 2012 - 11:15am PT
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"Locker would prefer a Circle K."...
^^^
AMEN!!!...
EDITED:
"with little hotties hand delivering lattes to the base of your proj"...
Little hotties and HAND go well together...
But delivering COFFEE???...
THAT's what you come up with???...
LOL!!!...
;-)
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Dec 10, 2012 - 11:20am PT
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Im one who believes marriage is a black hole in which to fall dizzily to you demise. Dont give a rip who/what/ is getting married....They are delusional at best..
And i think its high time for a CIRCLE K at the milks, with entrance fees, and security patrols checking for rouge poopers and such.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 11:20am PT
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"Would you like cream with that?"
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Dickly
Trad climber
branford, ct
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Dec 10, 2012 - 11:34am PT
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I was walking around the Buttermilks once, possibly looking for a place to sh#t, and came across a chick literally taking a sh#t right in front of me. The f*#ked up thing about it was that she was facing the other way so all I could see was the GIANT log coming out. It was the size of a loaf of french bread, I still have nightmares.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Dec 10, 2012 - 11:43am PT
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prolly some around here that would pay good money to see that ROFLMAO!!!
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