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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 9, 2012 - 02:12am PT
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Chitty hole man, the milks are getting HAMMERED with poop. Seriously folks, we have GOT to work with the BLM to get a pooper up there. The arguments I have heard for not putting one up there are:
1) it would destroy the scenic beauty of the area if it was in the upper parking lot
2) it would be too far away for lazy ass pad people if it were in the parking area below the Poobodies.
3) it will lead to development and pay camping.
Those are lame ass arguments considering how many people are camping out there (expanding campsites, destroying vegetation) and shitting all over the place (within 20 feet of campsites and boulders many times).
So what's up? Is anything being planned or even discussed?
Obviously I'm not the person to do it, I have no organizational skillz and nobody likes me.
Do any hordes plan to mob the place (Pretzl, etc)? If so, it would be great if we could convince them to help spearhead a composting or even pit toilet. I'd be happy to pitch in.
I asked our father CMac to resurrect me only because I felt this needed to be addressed. The only thing I could find is from Mr. Wills last year... http://bishopbouldering.blogspot.com/2011/07/buttermilk-pit-toilet-comments-needed.html.
Don't leave this hanging... come on!
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
the crowd MUST BE MOCKED...Mocked I tell you.
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Roger that.
Is Lesley Yen still with the FS?
Does her email still work?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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mechrist?
weschrist?
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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There were sites & a proposal awhile back on Wils blog I think. U mean getting bad like there's sh#t in the main areas? This fall I was disappointed to see so much sh#t near the boulders, I'd love to catch a scene like this in the act. It's unfortunate to see such beautiful places can go to sh#t so easily. The bishop situ is especially sad since about 100% of the offending shitters are traveling climbers & the local community is a really great, dedicated group of climbers that have to come up with these solutions. Maybe the local access group could set up a volley day over the holidays or thanksgiving when there's lots of visitors & shitting predicted & hand out shovels to the visitors in the Bday lot & get one dug, I'm sure BLM would be willing to listen? Maybe a sign in english/french/german? at either entrance could help in the meantime & easily done by one able bodies individual. A crag near here has had sh#t problems in the past from travelers who didn't get it & now there's no sh#t signs everywhere & they seem to be helping. The milks is one of my favorite places in the world & I've been lucky to spend some of the funnest days there, i hope for those that are lucky enough to have this place at their disposal can find a way to effectively deal with this sh#t.
Edit- didn't see the link up there.
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telemon01
Trad climber
Montana
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wag bags, everywhere, every time
at least until the government comes to our rescue
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Sh#t yeah, good sh#t to see the weschrist is back from the dead. When in bishop I do all my shittn at schatts. Coffee, cranberry muffin, then to their clean bathroom.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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That's not even honest dirt bagging. That's just plain irresponsible.
I don't understand how one could care so little. What 'generation' do these people belong to?
The Sh!thead Generation?
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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How about simple composting toilets like at smith rocks?
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BuddhaStalin
climber
Truckee, CA
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Its just the sheer volume of use that makes a shitter of some kind necessary. Place is busy as sh#t and just getting busier. Something needs to happen to accommodate the whole bouldering boom before it becomes out of control and is too expensive to manage. Id rather see the honey sucker truck going up and down the road than see sh#t on my shoes as i wander around looking for a place to sh#t.
Better yet, go enjoy one of the many many other bouldering areas. Plenty of room to sh#t all over the place.
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Chinchen
climber
Way out there....
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There are plans, it is being worked on. Please be patient, the locals are....
The most logical place for it is in the first turn out right below the pea bodies. I will not allow a shitter to be placed in the birthdays parking area or in view of the boulders.
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ruppell
climber
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I will not allow a shitter to be placed
Are you trying to say it's your decision?
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Lurking Fear
Boulder climber
Bishop, California
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I'm with Jason. The Birthday Boulder area is the worst possible place at the Buttermilks. Upwind and in one of the most beautiful view sheds on the Eastside. I hope it's his decision. Thanks, Andrew
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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And there is also the poor man's wag bag(if one is purchasing wag bags) - a simply shopping bag from the grocery store. Make sure there are no holes, of course, and double up if needed.
If it's going to be an easy pick up - do your duty and then put the bag on your hand like a mitt. Pick it up - just as you would dog duty.
If it's going to be a less easy pick up, lay down some newspaper, hold in place with stones, do your business and then use the four corners retrieval method(pick up by corners, allowing the weighted center to drop down. Drop into the plastic bag.
If it's going to be an abysmal clean up - change your diet!
Tie the handle into a knot, removing air as doing so. Again - double bag if you will not be getting to a depository soon. It's just poop, not poison. Your car will not become contaminated to have a poop bag in it(if you feel that it would - change your diet!).
Does a Climber Sh#t in The Woods(or Desert, Mountains or Roadside Crag)? NOT if (s)he is a responsible climber. Pack it out!
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2012 - 02:13pm PT
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I see things haven't changed much... stupidtaco folks still just as detached from reality.
silver, no way in hell you are going to get that many people to sh#t in bags. Simply ain't going to happen. Time to start being realistic about it or the area will just continue to suffer. A pumper truck once a week doesn't even BEGIN to compare to the 50+ cars that pack the sides of the road.
dave, spurt climbers can't even manage the toilet in the gorge, but you expect them to be responsible enough to sh#t in a bag and carry it out? And who is going to enforce it when they refuse? Wake up man. It is called Tragedy of the Commons... look into it. People need to be regulated or our shared resources will suffer. If we build it, people will use it.
If cost is the big issue, charge $3 a day, I don't care... it will weed out the scumbags who are unwilling to give up 1/30 of their pot fund to go climbing.
I love the idea of a composting toilet. I used to look forward to my post warmup sh#t at Smith... ah, the smell of fresh warm moist cedar.
(fwiw, I didn't ask CMac directly... I just got another account... but being the failed carpenter and aspiring savior that I am, I liked the "our father... resurrected bit)
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2012 - 02:52pm PT
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Yes, preferably in the direct sun light... a nice long rail that is exposed to the wind and bakes in the sun all day long...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Unless you're camped there, there's no reason you should be taking a dump there. Day use areas don't need shitters.
Take a sh#t first thing in the morning - like a normal person does - and be done with.
Think ahead. You don't gotta be Nostradamus to see far enough into the future to know you'll need to crap at some point during the day.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Well that's all well and good for those who have gotten into the sit-on-the-throne-first-thing daily habit, but not everyone is that...anal. har har har....
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2012 - 03:05pm PT
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Anal or not, we can no longer ignore the fact that steaming piles of people are camping out there nearly every night.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2012 - 04:34pm PT
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From a hydrology standpoint, I think a composting pit in the lower parking lot is the way to go. The soil is very coarse, highly permeable, and there is plenty of material for the composted sh#t to percolate through before reaching any surface water. Hell of a lot better than the alternatives. I suspect this will enhance the scenic beauty of the area by producing a large, lush riparian area immediately downstream of the toilet.
http://www.construction-index.com/usa-composting-toilets.asp
(Mr. Jebus Bomz: I've never met CMac, but I have a few friends who know him. He doesn't seem like a petty person to me and I have nothing against him. I think my particular banning was bullshit since every post I made in that thread included a video of sketchy Andy. But truth be told, I should have been banned many times before but wasn't... so eh, whatever... I have tons of modeling to do and the stupidtaco is the perfect place to burn 5-10 min between runs.)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Half the point is education
How do you educate people who clearly do not care? And, as was already said,
I doubt they would walk more than 100 yards to use a one-holer - they
might miss some drama at the boulder.
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