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QITNL

climber
Sep 7, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
WARNING - SARCASM AHEAD!!!!



sullly

Trad climber
Sep 7, 2013 - 10:09pm PT
Music of the Spheres: same delio, different century.
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Great Chain of Being: same delio, different century.
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Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 7, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
"The very need for a thing called 'apologetics' is example of the weakness of the theistic argument. 'God' always needs apologies, rationalizations, explanations, equivocations, excuses."
Mark K. Bilbo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_apologetics
WBraun

climber
Sep 7, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
^^^^ This stupid dog Malemute has rabies now ^^^^^

He's foaming at the keyboard.

Insane ......
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Sep 7, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
my one and only post to this thread:

what a stupid, uninteresting, shitty thread that inexplicably surfaces to the top of a climbing forum

like a dog turd in a Canoga Park swimming pool.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 7, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect
1 Peter 3:15 (English Standard Version)
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Sep 7, 2013 - 10:51pm PT
I'm not insisting anything, I'm just saying that you cannot rule out an empirical explanation of consciousness, that's all... and even when we obtain it, you won't be impressed, and it won't answer the questions you have...

it's not circular, it's just a way of looking at things. You look at things quite differently, sullly looks at things even more differently... so what?

Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 7, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
"Men despise religion; they hate it and fear it is true. To remedy this, we must begin by showing that religion is not contrary to reason; that it is venerable, to inspire respect for it; then we must make it lovable, to make good men hope it is true; finally, we must prove it is true."
Blaise Pascal
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Sep 7, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
BTW what does the Miller-Urey experiment have to do with anything?
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I hope before I die I can gain the intelligence you'all posses so as to understand that all life came to be by chance
= answer. Got it now?


I've read the origins of species, a couple of times.
Uh, sure....
If I want to see the same species of bird with a different beak. I don't need to go to the Gallopio's.

What experience does it have to offer?

The ability to understand and be amazed at the adaptability and tenaciousness of life. To more fully understand the interdependent processes of the animate and inanimate. To realize that we are just a fleck of dust in this unimaginably immense universe. To be freed from the chains of superstition and ignorance that man has shackled himself with in the form of religious dictums.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 7, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
"The most serious doubt that has been thrown on the authenticity of the biblical miracles is the fact that most of the witnesses in regard to them were fishermen."
Arthur Binstead
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Sep 7, 2013 - 11:15pm PT
To be freed from the chains of superstition and ignorance that man has shackled himself with in the form of religious dictums.

Stockholm Syndrome.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 7, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
it's not circular, it's just a way of looking at things. You look at things quite differently, sullly looks at things even more differently... so what?

Well, two bucks plus two bucks does equal four bucks.
But two ducks plus two ducks can equal eight ducks.

It's awe inspiring to connect with another believer and discover how The Almighty has touched us so perfectly in our individuality.

And don't you believe all energies to be circular?

Edit: obliviously all matter is circular right.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Sep 7, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
obliviously all matter is circular right

^^^^^http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oblivious^^^^
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Sep 8, 2013 - 12:10am PT
= answer. Got it now?

No,I don't

What does:

I hope before I die I can gain the intelligence you'all posses so as to understand that all life came to be by chance

have to do with the Miller-Urey experiments.?
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Sep 8, 2013 - 12:13am PT
I'm not insisting anything, I'm just saying that you cannot rule out an empirical explanation of consciousness, that's all... and even when we obtain it, you won't be impressed, and it won't answer the questions you have...

it's not circular, it's just a way of looking at things. You look at things quite differently, sullly looks at things even more differently... so what?

-

Hi Ed,

Of course I can look at things in strictly materialist terms, but all I see is material. An honest question: What manner of empirical explanation can start to explain how self-awareeness is "created" by the brain? Can you imagine an explanation that avoids the swindle perspective of one thing being another, that this (self awareness) is what that (material) does? Or that these "mirror" cells "do" consciousness.

The real challenge is that human experience is unlike any other known "thing" on the universe.

I can't answer why this is so or what is involved, any more that I can answer why electricity accomplishes this in that system, and consciousness in the meat brain - or so the belief goes.

I was asked this the other day and I don't have the science to anwswer:

Do falling rocks "explain" gravity? Is gravity the result of the material stirrings associated with it, or "producing" it. When we are measuring gravity, and we measuring the force itself, or the material stirred about by virtue of gravity? Of course, I couldn't start to answer any of these, and I wasn't such a snake to claim they were invalid or false questions.

JL
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 8, 2013 - 12:21am PT
Good Skepti
My hope is that we would all learn something today.
For as long as man could think, have we not understood that all material is recycle able? Or circular? Today we know that star dust is most prevalent in the sands of the Sahara. And even in our bodies. Even sun light recycles itself, forever?
Funny how scientist try to predict the age of the universe by equating lights speed and distance travelled. = 15 billion yrs. but what if it had already been shinning for a trillion yrs?
Then their stupid. Scientist can't comprehend God and eternals so they put Him in a box. Stupid
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 8, 2013 - 12:42am PT
Where are they now?

Marduk . . . Sol Invictus

Ignored, Forgotten, Dead
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Sep 8, 2013 - 01:01am PT
God, or gods, or whatever you need to label it, if you need to label it, exists whenever you wonder... or ponder ... or consider ... or maybe even dream.

You create it, and are perhaps it.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 8, 2013 - 01:02am PT
Ignored, Forgotten, Dead

^^^ that's a fact jack!
Because you can't have material spiritualism.
That's why wen the Catholics and mormans and Muslims run out of money, they'all will be forgotten too.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 8, 2013 - 01:05am PT
TE
Everything is labeled precisely in the bible

It's up to you to read it or not
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