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MisterE

climber
Sep 6, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
If energy can neither be created nor destroyed, and given that our living spirits possess a certain energy - Heaven must be bursting at the seams with potential energy.

Just a thought.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 6, 2013 - 09:52pm PT
Funniest sh#t of the day!

I think fruity and mutemale should get a room. Imagine the pillow talk. Star Trek quotes and equations. I'm wet just thinking about it.
Come'on now ur gonna make Skepti jealous !!!

BWWAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAA!
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 6, 2013 - 10:11pm PT
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Sep 6, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
"I am satisfied with, is that lines and lines of evidence across many and various sciences all in a convergent pattern point to "mental life" as brain function."

My only contention with this that consciousness is "created" by the brain (a little like an avalanche "creates" gravity), that any other notion is creationism or God talk or boogy man shite, and that while we can look at the brain as a mega great data processor, no neuroscientist alive has made one step toward showing how the brain "creates" subjective experience. Ed chimed in and suggested that bio machines can not only detect but explain sentience, so have at it. You will invariably be left with either saying this is a trick question and we're just not there yet per our neuroscience, or you'll collapse objective functioning into sentience, or bark out that daft dirge that "consciousness is what the brain does," as though that explains anything to anyone's satisfaction. That's just a sill piece of ad copy.

But I'm sick of this circular argument. I'm convinced that to understand what is at play here you have to first understand the discursive reasoning that insists consciousness IS mechanical. Once you see how that works, and more importantly, how it does NOT work, namely what limits discursive thinking has, then the rest unfolds pretty quickly. But again, looking inside is not allowed to people on this list, apparently. Granted, it's not for everyone.


And the so-called charicature of machines learning to love was actually a quote from some swindler who had jobbed a huge amount of money from many sources to study consciousness and so forth. Can't remember his name.

But the interesting fact remains that if we can explain consciounsness totally in mechanical terms, then a conscious, non-organic machine is at least a possibility.

People interested in this might find this article interesting:

https://www.bigquestionsonline.com/content/will-machines-ever-become-human
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Sep 6, 2013 - 10:54pm PT
(a little like an avalanche "creates" gravity)

the crux of the biscuit
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 6, 2013 - 11:08pm PT
The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and
dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.
John F. Kennedy
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 6, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
Religion supports nobody. It has to be supported. It produces no wheat, no corn; it ploughs no land; it fells no forests. It is a perpetual mendicant. It lives on the labors of others, and then has the arrogance to pretend that it supports the giver… Ministers say that they teach charity. That is natural. They live on alms. All beggars teach that others should give…
Robert Ingersoll
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 6, 2013 - 11:24pm PT


Sep 6, 2013 - 06:52pm PT
Funniest sh#t of the day!

I think fruity and mutemale should get a room. Imagine the pillow talk. Star Trek quotes and equations. I'm wet just thinking about it.
Come'on now ur gonna make Skepti jealous !!!

BWWAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAA!

Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 6, 2013 - 11:27pm PT
There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.
Socrates
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 6, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
… among all nations the spirit of the priesthood, their system of conduct, their actions their morals, were absolutely the same:

• That they had everywhere formed secret associations and corporations at enmity with the rest of society;

• That they had everywhere attributed to themselves prerogatives and immunities, by means of which they lived exempt from the burdens of other classes;

• That they everywhere avoided the toils of the laborer, the dangers of the soldier, and the disappointments of the merchant…

• That, under the cloak of poverty, they found everywhere the secret of procuring wealth and all sorts of enjoyments;

• That under the name of mendicity they raised taxes to a greater amount than princes;

• That in the form of gifts and offerings they had established fixed and certain revenues exempt from charges;

• That under pretence of retirement and devotion they lived in idleness and licentiousness;

• That they had made a virtue of alms-giving, to live quietly on the labors of others;

• That they had invented the ceremonies of worship, as a means of attracting the reverence of the people, while they were playing the parts of gods, of whom they styled themselves the interpreters and mediators, to assume all their powers; that, with this design, they had (according to the degree of ignorance or information of their people) assumed by turns the character of astrologers, drawers of horoscopes, fortune-tellers, magicians, necromancers, quacks, physicians, courtiers, confessors of princes, always aiming at the great object to govern for their own advantage;

• That sometimes they had exalted the power of kings and consecrated their persons, to monopolize their favors, or participate their sway;

• That sometimes they had preached up the murder of tyrants (reserving it to themselves to define tyranny), to avenge themselves of their contempt or their disobedience;

• And that they always stigmatized with impiety whatever crossed their interests;

• That they hindered all public instruction, to exercise the monopoly of science;

• That finally, at all times and in all places, they had found the secret of living in peace in the midst of the anarchy they created, in safety under the despotism that they favored, in idleness amidst the industry they preached, and in abundance while surrounded with scarcity; and all this by carrying on the singular trade of selling words and gestures to credulous people, who purchase them as commodities of the greatest value.

Constantin Francois de Volney
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 6, 2013 - 11:38pm PT
^^^^ that's Precious!
Wonder where you fit in
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 6, 2013 - 11:49pm PT
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so."

"Religion consists of a set of things which the average man thinks he believes and wishes he was certain of."

"There is nothing more awe-inspiring than a miracle except the credulity that can take it at par."

"A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows."

"I cannot see how a man of any large degree of humorous perception can ever be religious."

"It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand."

"The Bible commanded that [witches] should not be allowed to live. Therefore the Church . . . gathered up its halters, thumbscrews, and firebrands, and set about its holy work in earnest. She worked hard at it night and day during nine centuries and imprisoned, tortured, hanged, and burned whole hordes and armies of witches.... Then it was discovered that there was no such thing as witches, and never had been. One does not know whether to laugh or to cry."

"More than two hundred death penalties are gone from the law books, but the text that authorized them remains."

"The altar cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."

"If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be-a Christian."

"No church property is taxed, and so the infidel and the atheist and the man without religion are taxed to make up the deficit in the public income this caused."

"Most people can't bear to sit in church for an hour on Sundays. How are they supposed to live somewhere very similar to it for eternity?"

"Go to heaven for the climate, hell for the company."

"I do not fear death, in view of the fact that I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it."

Mark Twain
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 7, 2013 - 12:02am PT
"Whatever we cannot easily understand we call God; this saves much wear and tear on the brain tissues. . . . Belief in the supernatural reflects a failure of the imagination."
Edward Abbey
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 7, 2013 - 12:05am PT
"In those parts of the world where learning and science have prevailed, miracles have ceased; but in those parts of it as are barbarous and ignorant, miracles are still in vogue."
Ethan Allen, American Revolutionary War hero
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 7, 2013 - 12:09am PT
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
"Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and homes. I personally resent it bitterly."

Isaac Asimov
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 7, 2013 - 12:21am PT
"It is not possible to be intellectually honest and believe in gods. And it is not possible to believe in gods and be a true scientist."
"Religion closes off the central questions of existence by attempting to dissuade us from further enquiry by asserting that we cannot ever hope to comprehend. We are, religion asserts, simply too puny. Through fear of being shown to be vacuous, religion denies the awesome power of human comprehension. It seeks to thwart, by encouraging awe in things unseen, the disclosure of the emptiness of faith.... Science opens up the great questions of being to rational discussion.... Science, above all, respects the power of the human intellect.... Science respects more deeply the potential of humanity than religion ever can."
Peter William Atkins
WBraun

climber
Sep 7, 2013 - 12:25am PT
"A true scientist will find/see God."

"A true intellectually honest person will come into contact with God."

 the duck ......
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Sep 7, 2013 - 12:27am PT
That consciousness thing is a tough one...
WBraun

climber
Sep 7, 2013 - 12:30am PT
That consciousness thing is a tough one...


No it isn't.

It's very simple to understand.

We're just plain stupid .....
Decko

Trad climber
Colorado
Sep 7, 2013 - 12:31am PT
Yawn........

When your dead your dead......

No book full of stories can make me believe there is anything else after that.



















Personally I think religions and the belief of an after life cause your a believer is the biggest load of horse sh#t out there





We are all carbon based life forms that have evolved its proof.......




Show me proof all the earth holds and is was created in 7 days and well that's a great tale to hear.........








Ur gonna die



That and taxes are for certain.......

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