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Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 7, 2013 - 10:59pm PT
"The most serious doubt that has been thrown on the authenticity of the biblical miracles is the fact that most of the witnesses in regard to them were fishermen."
Arthur Binstead
cintune

climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Sep 7, 2013 - 11:15pm PT
To be freed from the chains of superstition and ignorance that man has shackled himself with in the form of religious dictums.

Stockholm Syndrome.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 7, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
it's not circular, it's just a way of looking at things. You look at things quite differently, sullly looks at things even more differently... so what?

Well, two bucks plus two bucks does equal four bucks.
But two ducks plus two ducks can equal eight ducks.

It's awe inspiring to connect with another believer and discover how The Almighty has touched us so perfectly in our individuality.

And don't you believe all energies to be circular?

Edit: obliviously all matter is circular right.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Sep 7, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
obliviously all matter is circular right

^^^^^http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oblivious^^^^
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Sep 8, 2013 - 12:10am PT
= answer. Got it now?

No,I don't

What does:

I hope before I die I can gain the intelligence you'all posses so as to understand that all life came to be by chance

have to do with the Miller-Urey experiments.?
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Sep 8, 2013 - 12:13am PT
I'm not insisting anything, I'm just saying that you cannot rule out an empirical explanation of consciousness, that's all... and even when we obtain it, you won't be impressed, and it won't answer the questions you have...

it's not circular, it's just a way of looking at things. You look at things quite differently, sullly looks at things even more differently... so what?

-

Hi Ed,

Of course I can look at things in strictly materialist terms, but all I see is material. An honest question: What manner of empirical explanation can start to explain how self-awareeness is "created" by the brain? Can you imagine an explanation that avoids the swindle perspective of one thing being another, that this (self awareness) is what that (material) does? Or that these "mirror" cells "do" consciousness.

The real challenge is that human experience is unlike any other known "thing" on the universe.

I can't answer why this is so or what is involved, any more that I can answer why electricity accomplishes this in that system, and consciousness in the meat brain - or so the belief goes.

I was asked this the other day and I don't have the science to anwswer:

Do falling rocks "explain" gravity? Is gravity the result of the material stirrings associated with it, or "producing" it. When we are measuring gravity, and we measuring the force itself, or the material stirred about by virtue of gravity? Of course, I couldn't start to answer any of these, and I wasn't such a snake to claim they were invalid or false questions.

JL
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 8, 2013 - 12:21am PT
Good Skepti
My hope is that we would all learn something today.
For as long as man could think, have we not understood that all material is recycle able? Or circular? Today we know that star dust is most prevalent in the sands of the Sahara. And even in our bodies. Even sun light recycles itself, forever?
Funny how scientist try to predict the age of the universe by equating lights speed and distance travelled. = 15 billion yrs. but what if it had already been shinning for a trillion yrs?
Then their stupid. Scientist can't comprehend God and eternals so they put Him in a box. Stupid
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 8, 2013 - 12:42am PT
Where are they now?

Marduk . . . Sol Invictus

Ignored, Forgotten, Dead
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Sep 8, 2013 - 01:01am PT
God, or gods, or whatever you need to label it, if you need to label it, exists whenever you wonder... or ponder ... or consider ... or maybe even dream.

You create it, and are perhaps it.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 8, 2013 - 01:02am PT
Ignored, Forgotten, Dead

^^^ that's a fact jack!
Because you can't have material spiritualism.
That's why wen the Catholics and mormans and Muslims run out of money, they'all will be forgotten too.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 8, 2013 - 01:05am PT
TE
Everything is labeled precisely in the bible

It's up to you to read it or not
WBraun

climber
Sep 8, 2013 - 01:35am PT
Just see intelligent person shows up ^^^^

After that stupid rabid dog stopped barking at the white space in his twisted head.

Somebody must of threw a rock at the dog over the fence ....
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Sep 8, 2013 - 01:54am PT
Blue, the flaw in the Bible may be in its alleged precision that you allude to. A topo can also contain such flaws...

... "oh my God, this rating is so Old Testament, and the pins are rusting!!!"
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 8, 2013 - 01:56am PT

Ignored, Forgotten, Dead

^^^ that's a fact jack!
Because you can't have material spiritualism.
That's why wen the Catholicism and Mormonism and Muslimism run out of money, they'all will be forgotten too.

Edit: I had to fix this. I did not realize intelligent people were watching.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 8, 2013 - 01:59am PT

... "oh my God, this rating is so Old Testament, and the pins are rusting!!!"

That's why it's ALL A3+
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 8, 2013 - 04:25am PT
Had to stay up late to catch my Cinnamon Dream,

Esperanza Spalding.

I call out all you mechanicalist to go sit in the corner with earbuds positioned, cranked to 10.
And listen to Esperanza Spalding with the score card in hand and determine what the outcome will be. How could anyone besides maybe hitler could say humans are mechcanicalistic? After listening to that music, that voice, and Ingard Thomas' trumpet.
That's sentience BABY!! Bending the Body, and Bending the Notes!


Edit: BTW, you can catch a live version on PBS/SoCal. And BTW is the only tv worth watching. Have you seen their programs on the brain, or the one on climate change?
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Sep 8, 2013 - 04:58am PT
The real challenge is that human experience is unlike any other known "thing" on the universe.

Is it?

Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Sep 8, 2013 - 08:05am PT
BTW what does the Miller-Urey experiment have to do with anything?

Did you click the link to the wiki page I provided? If you didn't understand the material presented, then you would benefit from taking an organic chemistry class.

If you're just having problems following the logic of: basic ingredients + energy -(millions of years)-> amino acids/nucleotides -(millions of years)-> RNA/DNA -(millions of years)-> early life form -(millions of years of natural selection)-> more complex life forms -(millions of years of natural selection)-> basic neural control system -(millions of years)-> reptilian brain -(millions of years)-> increasing complexity of the brain/control system -(millions of years)-> intelligence -(thousands of years)-> extinction by overpopulation/industrialization because we learned to control our environment but not our waste (oops, thread drift!), then I can't help you.

Tra-la-la!
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Sep 8, 2013 - 08:08am PT
That's why wen the Catholicism and Mormonism and Muslimism run out of money, they'all will be forgotten too.

Edit: I had to fix this. I did not realize intelligent people were watching.

Probably should've had one of them help you...
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 8, 2013 - 09:59am PT
“Ideology and religion are contraindicated for fanatics.”
Ilkin Santak
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