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Klimmer
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Sep 23, 2013 - 09:29pm PT
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Sep 23, 2013 - 06:14pm PT
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
genesis: earth before stars
You do err. You have ignored the creation before the judgement. Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. The Heavens and the Earth. The Heavens first and then the Earth.
You're confusing the reboot of Earth, with the original creation. They are not the same. Creation of the Universe and then the Earth all happened first. Then the fall of Lucifer. Then swift judgement. Then the reboot of Earth. Then eventually at the end of that reboot the creation of modern man, Homo sapien in G-d's image.
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Pepe Le Poseur
Social climber
Parts North
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Sep 23, 2013 - 09:35pm PT
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Klimmer - In my book, you have a compelling story if Hashem is not a distinct "conscious intelligence" but rather an incarnation of a "Grand Unified Theory"
Otherwise, you just have the story of a common ass-clown.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Sep 23, 2013 - 09:54pm PT
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Sep 23, 2013 - 06:30pm PT
Klimmer,
Just come out of the closet and exclaim your self a Jew.
What are you afraid of, male pattern hair loss ?
Lol.
And I have a great head of hair thanks to my mom. No baldness. (Don't be a hater. Lol.)
I am of Jewish decent. I have admitted that. I have about 5% Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry, with more admixture Jewish ancestry. I had my DNA tested. I know my maternal haplotype and my paternal haplotype, which goes back 1000s of years.
I am 100% European: UK England, Irish, Netherlands, and Germany mostly.
I'm also 2.6% Neanderthal. (Everyone is 0 to 4%)
Everyone should have their DNA tested. Very cool, as long as its not misused.
Everyone should be grateful to the Jews. G-d chose them to bring his salvation plan to the World. They have been carrying the water for G-d for 1000s of years. We owe them a great deal of gratitude. They brought us G-d's word, his Torah, his way of worship, his guidance and instruction for life, our Messiah, and Salvation for all the World. It's not just for one people but for everyone, all Nations. And yet they have been the most persecuted people on the face of the Earth. Why? Lucifer hates the Jews, and Lucifer hates believers in Yeshua HaMashiach. He hates the truth. Yet they are still here even long after all Nations that have persecuted them have lost their power or have disappeared altogether. That is the Abrahamic covenant in action.
Yeshua said, "The first shall be last, and the last shall be first."
This is in reference to Israel. Very very deep.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Sep 23, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
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Sep 23, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
the heavens are not the stars
genesis:1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
genesis:1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
are you denying the first chapter of genesis?
Maalemut,
You do err and in a serious bad way.
I gave you my best explanation above when I talk about remembering the late David Flynn. It's there. It explains Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. There is a big Gap of time between both verses and what does that really mean.
You are confusing the original creation 14.8B years ago, with the scriptures that talk in detail about the rebooting of Earth.
Remember, HaShem has many names in the Good Book, including "The Ancient of Days."
Edit:
Yes, the Hebrew word for Heaven includes everything in it including stars. You have 3 Heavens discussed in the Good Book: the atmosphere above us, the Universe/space and everything in it, and the Heaven where G-d abodes. Context.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Sep 23, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
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Sep 23, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
It sure sounds like you are saying that genesis chapter 1 is wrong or incomplete.
You can tapdance all you want and come up with feeble explanations, but either genesis 1 is correct or it is not. It says the stars were made after the earth. It says that the stars were made in one "day". The account was written without benefit of any advanced scientific knowledge.
Malemut,
This argument with you is like a dog chasing its very small tail. You aren't gonna get it unless you really really want to, and I don't think you do.
Its not wrong and its not incomplete. You have to differentiate between the the original creation, the fall of Lucifer and 33% of the angels, and the reboot of Earth.
It was originally written in Hebrew. You have to understand it in Hebrew. Remember, that Hebrew words can have many meanings. Context. Also PaRDeS. Hebrew words sometimes translated into English lose the deeper meaning or context. That's why its important to go back to the original Hebrew and look it up.
The Science of God, by PhD Gerald Schroeder:
http://www.geraldschroeder.com/About.aspx
Rightly-Dividing Geology and the Book of Genesis Beyond the "Gap Theory" of Creationism:
http://www.kjvbible.org/
PaRDeS (Jewish exegesis)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardes_%28Jewish_exegesis%29
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Sep 23, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
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It is comforting to know that one can simply reboot earth
Read The Silmarillion by Tolkien. It explains all of the various incarnations of Earth in great detail.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Sep 23, 2013 - 10:49pm PT
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Earth has been rebooted many times. Look at the geological history of planet Earth ...
History Channel: How the Earth was Made
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLMeA3M_PaU
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Jeremiah 4:23-27 (KJV)
[23] I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
[24] I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
[25] I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
[26] I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
[27] For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
The cities were not of men but of angels.
Note how Jeremiah 4:23-27 parallels Genesis 1:2, and fits between Genesis 1:1, and Genesis 1:2. This is the Gap Theory. There is a gap of time between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. Jeremiah 4:23-27, along with other scriptures noted, fills in the gap. This was the time of Angels among "The Stones of Fire," and Lucifer's fall from G-d, leading to swift and severe judgement from G-d, destroying much of the surface of the terrestrial planets and destroying Rahab.
Gen.1:1-2 (KJV)
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Then G-d rebooted life again bringing about modern man.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 23, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
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Bruce Kay
Gym climber
BC
Sep 23, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
It is comforting to know that one can simply reboot earth
You try to be so smart with ur words, but where is your brain?
Every morning you wake up the earth is re-created. Can't you see that?
Every thing is decomposing every day!
Every day that handle on ur drawer is lower. Even if you don't see it.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Sep 23, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Sep 23, 2013 - 11:35pm PT
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You know what they say, "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink."
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Sep 23, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
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Sep 23, 2013 - 08:38pm PT
And you take offense at being unable to force him to drink?
Do you really think the Horse to water saying means that? Really?
No one's forcing anyone. Just providing answers and they really aren't interested.
So be it.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 23, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
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^^^ I agree
Looking at climbers all aggressive in methods, and being in physical shape an all.
You'd think they'd have something together...
But when you hear what they've got to say...
Most climbers are a Façade!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 24, 2013 - 12:07am PT
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Good one Bruce¡
Ur like a infomercial between Commercials
The utubes have so much more meaning than what you actually say.
But keep on pretending to understand America, "Ay".
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Sep 24, 2013 - 12:07am PT
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Well the stick figure cartoon sold me; where can I get a bible with such easy to understand lessons and illustrations?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Potemkin Village
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http://www.dhakatribune.com/south-asia/2013/oct/04/woman-stoned-death-pakistan-possessing-cell-phone
I find stoning a woman to death for owning a cell phone "offensive," who do I call?
Were it not for globalization and the internet, umpteen millions less would hear about let alone reflect on and take action against these maintained (and you know by what institution) traditional barbarisms.
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Imagine how many stonings there would be if Christians actually followed the bible.
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Clarence Darrow...
Crime: Its Cause and Treatment
A great read. The man was before his time.
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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HFCS - Imagine how many stonings there would be if Christians actually followed the bible. What an ignorant statement. Christians follow Jesus Christ (duh). What did JC have to say about stoning? "He who is without sin, cast the first stone." He then bent down and started writing on the dirt. The crowd slowly dispersed until there was no one left but the woman accused of adultery. I believe that he was writing the 10 commandments and the crowd slowly dispersed as they were convicted of their sin[s]. It says the oldest left first. Obviously, since they had more time and had broken more of the commandments as they aged. JC, the Messiah spoken of in the OT, brought a new covenant for not only the Hebrews, but for all mankind. I would suggest that you read the OT from beginning to end, from Genesis to Zachariah, before you start making judgement on Gods dealing with the Israelite's. The whole point was/is, mankind is incapable of following the ten commandments, JC made that very clear. The Apostle Stephen, the first to be martyred (11 of the 12 were martyrs) was stoned to death. Paul was stoned and left for dead several times (was eventually decapitated for his faith). We (X'ians) are expected to do the same, if that is our case/choice (denial or death). I would be honored, should it come to that. So bring out the stones all you haters of Christ!
BTW, regarding some of the comments on this thread about JC and the four gospels (what He taught) and how we should stick with that. He spoke twice as much about hell as He did about heaven in those four gospels. ...just sayin.
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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splitter
Trad climber
SoCal Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Norton - ..control their followers through FEAR FEAR?
I have no fear! I certainly don't fear death, nor do I fear HELL. My destiny is sealed. "Fear not, for I am with you always." What is there, for me (or any Christian), to fear?
It is out of love that we warn you of hell. Let me put it this way; hypothetically speaking (just for your convenience) what IF it is true, and we (X'ians) new for certain, and we didn't warn you? Just shrugged it off for whatever reason. What would that say about us? And furthermore, on Judgement Day, if we had to look at your face, look into your eyes. What would you say to me? Not sure if that will happen, but I do know that I will be looking into my Lord & Saviors eyes. I know what He would say. And it certainly wouldn't be, "Well done, good and faithful servant."
We are called to share the gospel, whatever the cost...for some it's death. I have personally witnessed to thousands of people, mainly on the streets. Usually it was someone that needed some kind of help, food, support, or whatever. I never preached to them, didn't say a thing. It was probably obvious who I was because I always wore a hat that said, "Jesus Lives." I could easily write a whole book just about those five years I spent on the streets. If there was any conversation that came up about God, it was them who initiated it. If your called to reach out to the lost, if you spend hours on your knees praying and pleading for those you have met, along with those you have known for a while and have a great burden for, and for Him to lead you to more lost souls, believe me, He takes care of the rest.
There are those who approach you and have only hate (for Christ) in their heart. You wear a hat that says, 'Jesus Lives', and your gonna get plenty of static. I simply just moved on. There is plenty of static here. Some of us have just moved on. But there is also some kind of bond, something that ties us all together. I suppose we all feel it in some way or another. For us X'ians, it goes much deeper. That is the bottom line. It may not seem like it at times (i have said many stupid, etc, things) we are only human...we ef up like everyone else. But I know one thing, He loves you very much, no matter what you do or have done. So why shouldn't I/we? Sometimes its not so easy, but we have to keep our eyes on Him, not ourself.
Listen, all we have is our testimony, and the scriptures to share with you. I have known Christ since I was 8 years old. It is a personal relationship. It's simple. He is knocking on the door of your heart. All you have to say is, "Come in." I could write a book about all the things He personally did the first ten years of my life. And another 2-3 books for the next 45 years of my life. But so what. Find out for yourself if He is real or not. If you do, with a sincere heart, you will know for sure. You would be a fool not to. Just be honest with Him. He grieves for you like a mother grieves for her lost child, only much, much more. His love is intense for the lost, no matter who they are. What do you think John 3:16 (and other scriptures) is proclaiming. Sad to say, but ultimately, there are only two places to exist in eternity, its your choice.
I am sorry that you had some very bad experiences with the catholic church as a youth, Norton. I did likewise. I told the story on one of these threads about when I was 7 years old and my mother and aunt, etc, took my 1 1/2 year old brother and I to be baptized at the catholic church. The priest went on with the ceremony with glee in his eyes as he baptized my brother. When he finished, my aunt said, what about John (me). The priest looked at me with disgust and said, "No, its to late. He's to old." That was it. How do you think I felt? I had just listened to my aunt discuss with my mother and father (we were visiting them) how important it was for us to get baptized.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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blasphemy
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Potemkin Village
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splitter,
What an ignorant statement...
If you think you're in any position to post about ignorant statements, then we'll have to chalk it up once again to the o' so familiar Abrahamic arrogance in fundamentalist Christian form, I guess.
splitter, grow up for chrisakes. Our grandparents had an excuse: they were born in the 20th century, just a couple decades removed from the cowboy and indian age and Morse code. By and large, they also didn't have much access to science: Physics and chemistry? what's that? A spleen? DNA? what are those? But you... you're an embarrassment! In my book, you don't have any excuse. Don't you read? Don't you believe in adult learning? Crack some friggin books, enroll in a community college, take some science, whatever. We know you have access to a computer and the internet. Take advantage of it. Do what it takes. Upgrade your bronze-age beliefs. Like I said, you're an embarrassment.
Today's educated teens are laughing at you.
Splitter, your brethren by a different mother...
Syrian fighter is dying and they're asking him if he can see virgins! Seriously!
[Click to View YouTube Video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivD92uoBLik
This is the 21st century. All Abrahamic supernaturalists everywhere need to grow up. In the interest of future generations.
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