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BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 17, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
Why do you guys cut and paste crap and make it look like you wrote it?

But that is not occurring everywhere. I am referring to two nations in particular, Denmark and Sweden,

My grandpa came from Sweden when he was 13. His whole family was Christian. I still have relatives there that are Christian. Some of my best friends in Solvang are Danish Christians. They go to Denmark a couple times a year to visit their Christian relatives. Therefor I think your propaganda is bunk.

You should've picked two nations like Russia and china. THEY are Christianless.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Sep 18, 2013 - 01:40am PT
"Only 50 years ago, and done on behalf of most of the posters on ST....


That's an odd thing to write...

It's important to understand extremists. The extremists of whom I'm speaking killed children on behalf of the white race.

Just like the nazis killed all manner of people to maintain the purity of the master race (their version).

I'm not much in favor of ANYONE who believes in "master races" or religions, particularly when they kill to maintain purity.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Sep 18, 2013 - 01:44am PT

Arabs, natural philosophy and the West

The theory of permanent Muslim-Christian enmity, though it flourishes in the caves of Tora Bora and parts of the American academy, was long ago exploded by the historians. In this clear and well-written book, Jonathan Lyons delves into all sorts of musty corners to show how Arabic science percolated into the Latin world in the middle ages and helped civilise a rude society.

He tells how Arab advances in astronomy, mathematics, engineering, navigation, geography, medicine, architecture, chemistry, gardening, finance and verse passed into Europe by way of the Crusader kingdoms, Sicily and Spain and prepared the ground for both the Renaissance and the scientific advances of the 16th and 17th centuries. This infiltration of ideas has left traces in our language, from alcohol, algebra and algorithm to the Arabic names of the bright stars Betelgeuse and Aldebaran.

With the fall of the Roman empire in the west, Europe lost touch with much of its classical inheritance and was isolated by the Arab invasions from the Byzantine empire where some ancient learning survived. Lyons recounts how early medieval Christendom was unable accurately to measure the time of day for monastic offices, or fix the date of Easter, while dogmatic schemes of scripture and hierarchy left little scope for natural science. Aristotle's influence was confined to the logic and rhetoric of the schools. Bishop Isidore of Seville promulgated the idea that the Earth was flat.

In contrast, when the Arabs conquered Iraq in the first half of the seventh century AD, they came upon living schools of Hellenistic learning in natural science and medicine, along with Indian mathematics and astronomy that had come by way of Iran. Systematic reasoning, driven out of Muslim jurisprudence in favour of precedents from the Prophet's life and conduct, found a new field of inquiry in ancient geography and cosmology. After the founding of Baghdad in AD762, the Abbasid caliphs established a library and a team of translators at the Beit al-Hikma, the "House of Wisdom" of Lyons's title.

A famous early catalogue of Arabic books known as the Fihrist lists as many as 80 Greek authors in Arabic translation, chief among them Aristotle, the mathematician Euclid and the medical philosophers Hippocrates and Galen. For this natural philosophy, the Arabs coined the word falsafa, and called its practitioners falasifa. The great Arabic philosophers such as Ibn Sina in Iran (known in Latin Europe as Avicenna, who died in 1037) and Ibn Rushd in Spain (Averroes, who died in 1198) found ways of inserting Aristotelian natural philosophy and Ptolemaic cosmology into a scriptural monotheism, which was precisely what the Latins needed. As Lyons writes, "Arabic replaced Greek as the universal language of scientific inquiry".

He begins with a vivid contrast. In 1109, 10 years after the Crusaders sacked Jerusalem and put Muslims, Jews and eastern Christians to the sword, Adelard of Bath, a well-born scholar, set off for Antioch not to kill Muslims but, as he put it, "to investigate the studies of the Arabs" (studia arabum). As so often in medieval biography, a few "facts" are made to work hard, and some scholars (though not Lyons) doubt Adelard ever mastered Arabic. Nonetheless, he is thought to have taken part in translations from Arabic of Euclid's geometric system, the elements, and the astronomical tables of al-Khwarizmi, and composed such original works as On the Use of the Astrolabe. For Lyons, Adelard is the "first man of science". Such was the prestige of Arabic learning in England, according to a startling passage here, that partisans of King Henry II, during the quarrel with Rome over Thomas Becket, threatened the king would convert to Islam.

The new learning spread. By the middle of the 12th century, Euclid and Pythagoras are arrayed with the Virgin on the west front of Chartres cathedral. Lyons summons up a world of itinerant scholars such as Michael Scot, who (in the words of one monk) "in Paris seek liberal arts, in Orléans classics, at Salerno medicine, at Toledo magic, but nowhere manners and morals". Scot found his way to the Arabising court of one of the "baptised Sultans", the Emperor Frederick II, where he translated Arabic commentaries on Aristotle and helped promote the great mathematician Leonardo of Pisa. Leonardo, generally known as Fibonacci, gave a systematic account of the Arab/Indian numerical system and "the sign 0, which the Arabs call zephyr", or rather sifr - and which we call the zero.

For the orthodox, these men reeked of brimstone, and Dante placed Michael with the wizards in the eighth circle of hell. St Thomas Aquinas brought a measure of peace to the church, but the systems of Aristotle and Ptolemy became rigid and brittle till they shattered in the Copernican revolution of the 16th century.

Why Muslim science and medicine remained in their medieval state in certain regions well into our lifetimes belongs to another book. For all Lyons's wonder and admiration, the falasifa were always out of the mainstream of Muslim thought; they are best understood as a sort of sect, like the Shia, and were just as vulnerable to charges of heresy. The only small blemish in this fine book is that Lyons has printed a beautiful page of al-Biruni's Arabic treatise on mathematics back to front, so the text can only be read in a mirror.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/feb/28/house-of-wisdom-review


Ward

You say: "I thought I was pretty clear. Yuuu....hoooooo. A least my thoughts are my own , and not formulaic cut and paste propaganda."

Answer: You're spinning now and projecting. You're the one using propaganda. What Jonathan Lyons writes can be challenged and should be challenged, but if you want to do more than emptying your shallow mind into the commons, you will have to take a closer look at the reasoning behind Lyons' conclusion. The facts and reasoning behind is not propaganda you know. It's knowledge and can be tested against sources - if you want to.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Sep 18, 2013 - 02:11am PT



BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 19, 2013 - 12:36am PT
, we need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need people that can, we need engineers that can build stuff, solve problems

Man has lasted how many millions of years without science?

Lets see how long man lasts with it!

The only problems were dealing with are those of the ego,lust, and greed of science.

(M.J Sanderson describing Supertonian Scientism)
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Sep 19, 2013 - 12:56am PT
Why does Christianity hate me so much?

This morning I was sitting in my front step & saw some of the lords people canvasing my street. There was 3 of them & they split formation upon reaching end of the culdesac and proceeded to knock on my neighbors doors. None were home so they moved on to the next houses. I thought about the possible conversation that would ensue & immediately thought about this thread, i put my head down & started working on my todo list again, anticipating the imminent footsteps that would soon approach. Then they walked right by my place & on to my other neighbors! I feel so shunned!
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 19, 2013 - 12:56am PT
NO! It's through the actions from The WORD! - WORD?
Mark Force

Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
Sep 21, 2013 - 06:24pm PT
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Sep 22, 2013 - 09:08pm PT
America was founded on Biblical principles and it's the primary reason our nation was blessed and has done so well through our short history and is a World power. Turn your back on G-d and see what happens ...


The Faith of our Fathers ...




Return to HaShem America.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Sep 22, 2013 - 09:12pm PT
Malemute,


Matthew 22:29 (KJV)
"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God."


Ye do err.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Sep 22, 2013 - 09:54pm PT
Malemute,

As I said ...


Matthew 22:29 (KJV)
"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God."


Ye do err.


You don't know Hebrew. A day can be a portion of a day, 12 hours, 24 hours, 100s of years, 1000 years, a million, billions of years, and even no more time, such as the 8th day of creation talked about in 2 Enoch, eternity, no more time. How can "a day" be equal to eternity, no more time? You need to know Hebrew.

Also you don't know "The Gap Theory." HaShem rebooted creation after a judgement against Lucifer, Satan, and the fall of 33% of the Angels.


why aren't you a Raelian?


Because it is an apostasy, a lie of Satan to pull people away from HaShem, the G-d of Abraham, Jacob, and Isaac, who is the one true G-d, HaShem Adonai Elohim, and his triune nature.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Sep 22, 2013 - 09:57pm PT
It's hard to hate what you never loved.....disrespect would be more accurate.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Sep 22, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
Bruce,


How and why has Israel survived all odds surrounded by enemies on all sides (nearly) of her that want to wipe her off the face of the Earth? The miracle of 1948. The miracle of 1967. You're gonna see a lot more miracles with Israel.

Because Israel is "the Apple of HaShem's Eye." He loves her and protects her. He rebuked her, but he brought her back according to his prophecy. His word will be fulfilled. Every last Yod, the smallest letter of the Hebrew Alefbet.

HaShem has blessed this nation founded on Biblical principles, his Torah. Also he has blessed her as she protects and helps Israel. Turn your back on Israel and watch judgement come.

Did you know that Hebrew nearly became our nations official language when the Pilgrims landed and returned to and honored HaShem?


The biggest reason we are blessed (besides our foundation of faith and Biblical principles) ... The Abrahamic Covenant.

What is the Abrahamic Covenant?
http://www.gotquestions.org/Abrahamic-covenant.html




Every nation or Kingdom that has mistreated or persecuted The Jews, HaShem's Chosen people (to bring his Torah, The Bible, his word to the World, his plan of salvation, the birth of Yeshua HaMashiach to the World and more ...) has lost their power or lost their nation. Yet the Jews remain. Israel is reborn. Think about it: Egypt, The Greeks, Babylon, Persia, Rome, Germany, and the list goes on. They came against the Jews and persecuted them and they lost their power, every single one of them. The same will happen to the USA if we turn our backs on Israel, our Allie, and The Apple of HaShem's Eye. And why not? They have carried the water for G-d's plan for salvation to the World for 1000s of years. HaShem loves them greatly. And we should too. And HaShem blesses us for doing so. The Abrahamic Covenant.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Sep 22, 2013 - 10:44pm PT
Bruce,

You probably don't have the time but if you are interested ...

6 or more DVDs on the modern miracle of Israel. History, footage, interviews and analysis of what has happened since 1948 until now. A Jewish friend of mine loaned this set to me and I watched all of them. Narrated and done by a well known Jewish Journalist. I was blown away. The eye-witness stories told and shared are incredible. HaShem has his hand on Israel no doubt.


Against All Odds: Israel Survives
http://www.amazon.com/Against-All-Odds-Israel-Survives/dp/B005L24HY2/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=2GL3DFQ4AXH2G&coliid=I7IEKQGWZM5HT


I can't say it any better ...
37 of 39 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Entertaining, Amazing Stories, and Enlightening June 27, 2009
By Kenneth J. Villwock
Format:DVD

God is not dead. Miracles are happening all around us. God does not do miracles without a purpose. This video shows miracles God used in the establishment and continuing existence of the nation of Israel.

It is a warning to those who fight against Israel or cease supporting Israel, that they are fighting God or turning their backs on God. That may not be too smart.

It is also an encouragement to those who study the Bible to see God using supernatural intervention to accomplish His prophecy for the future of Israel and the world.

I strongly encourage families, small groups, synagogues, churches, and even skeptics to watch this film.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Sep 22, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
Bruce,


There are people in our government who know the Abrahamic Covenant, men and women of faith, and will not turn their back on Israel and we indeed send money to Israel as we should.

You don't understand the Supernatural blessings we receive from HaShem when we do so. Yes, HaShem works through people. It's his preferred method to do so.

Money is a tool. It can do many wonderful things for people when spent correctly for just causes.



The biggest reason we are blessed (besides our foundation of faith and Biblical principles) ... The Abrahamic Covenant.

What is the Abrahamic Covenant?
http://www.gotquestions.org/Abrahamic-covenant.html
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 22, 2013 - 11:05pm PT
^^^ doesn't seem like enough! Considering we have so much to waste.

But the question remains, how much money do Americans gamble (losses and wins combined)? Consider that the majority of money taken by casinos comes from slot machines. An average for payout on slots is 90 cents on every dollar (or 90 percent return).7 If casino revenues ($91 billion) are considered representative of the gambling trade’s gross revenue (about 10 percent of all money wagered), then we can estimate that Americans likely spent close to $910 billion total on all forms of gambling in 2006. Not all forms of gambling return 90 percent, but we can use this for a ballpark estimate. (Consider what Americans spent on some durable and consumable products by comparing the top five Fortune 500 Companies’ revenue for 2006:

That s only one years worth!
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Sep 23, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
Anyone that believes they can convince someone to change their set mind is really not much more than a fool...

This thread amazes me to no end how each "Side" tries to CONVINCE the other...

LOL!!!...

GOOD FUKING LUCK!!!..

Talk about a WASTE of time...

LOL !!!

Can I quote you on that?

Oh, I just did.

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Sep 23, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
Anyone that believes they can convince someone to change their set mind is really not much more than a fool...

This thread amazes me to no end how each "Side" tries to CONVINCE the other...


Locker for the win.

trying to convince to change their mind?

maybe so, but isn't all conversation really mostly about just wanting to hear yourself talk,
to hear yourself use logic and reason?

after all, isn't life all about ME?

"Life is 90% preparing for.....what never happens anyway"
John
8;22;50
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Sep 23, 2013 - 09:08pm PT
Sep 22, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
So klimmer can give me the grade 5 explanation that a day can be any unit of time but is silent why it took 3 units of time to create the earth, and only 1 unit of time to create 3000 billion galaxies?
Quelle Surprise!


Once again Malemut, you do err.

Each letter in Hebrew has many deep meanings. Also each word in Hebrew has many meanings. You have to understand context. Some details are glossed over, some details are drawn out. Again, the Hebrew word for day can represent many different periods of time, and even eternity, no more time.

You are getting all messed up.

Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 are separated by a Gap of time. A long gap of time. The period where the angels had free access to all creation, long before man ever showed up. The Gap Theory. HaShem created the Heavens and the Earth. The angels witnessed creation from the beginning. He spread the Heavens out like a tent, as the Good Book says. Note that throughout the Good Book, it always says Heaven first and then the Earth when it talks about creation. This was the first creation. Call it the Big Bang. The point of singularity. The Heavens are created, and then the Earth much later. Like we understand it in science today. The Bible knew this long before modern science. No problem with 14.8B years for the creation of the Universe from the point of singularity until now. No problem at all.

Then something happened. Lucifer fell and took 33% of the Angels with him. This had an effect on the Universe, at least on our corner of the Universe, our Solar System. HaShem reboots Earth after bringing a swift and sudden judgement and destruction. It wasn't a complete destruction. This occurred long before man was ever on the face of Earth. More than likely this happened in a period of time that science has discovered that we call The Late Bombardment period of time. All the planets were hit by asteroids again and again during this time period long after the accretion of the planets. How come?

If you don't know HaShem uses asteroids and comets for judgement then you don't know the Good Book very well. Many occurrences in the bible of HaShem using asteroids as judgement.

Again, the Good Book knew of and talks about Asteroids/Comets and impacts and their effects long before modern science ever figured out the science of impact cratering and meteoritics.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
Sep 23, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
The Gap Theory explained again ...


Topic Author's Reply - Aug 8, 2013 - 09:18pm PT
Somehow I didn't hear about this until just yesterday. I was re-reading an article of David Flynn's on his website and then finally I ran into a memorial on-line for him. I can't believe it. He left Earth over a year ago to return to Yeshua and I didn't even know it. I'm just really sad. I will miss you David, my brother in Adonai. We never met but you taught me a great deal.

Sad :_(


Mark Flynn, David's twin brother talks about David Flynn and what he meant to him:
http://watchervault.com/david-flynn-bio/mark-flynn-on-david-flynn/

David Flynn's original website is still up:
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/

The David Flynn Collection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF9JTQTTzSw

[Click to View YouTube Video]



I have both of his books:

Cydonia: The Secret Chronicles of Mars
This original book is now out of print. I paid a good amount of $ for my used copy. When I received it, I found to my amazement it was signed by David Flynn to someone else. I feel very fortunate to have it.

This book woke me up to "The Watchers," the Fallen Angels, that descended onto Mt. Hermon in Israel, which then led me to reading the Book of Enoch. I now know Lucifer and his fallen angels (his minions) had access to "The Stones of Fire," the terrestrial planets before the fall. I'm sure in time there will be much physical evidence to this effect out there when we get there. I think we have found it already on the Moon if not on Mars already, but then that's "Forbidden Secret Knowledge" isn't it? Thank you David for helping me to understand this truth.


Temple at the Center of Time: Newton's Bible Code Deciphered and the year 2012

An amazing book. Yes its about the Temple of G-d that was destroyed in 70AD and is prophesied to be rebuilt soon. Check out The Temple Institute in Israel: http://www.templeinstitute.org/temple_mount.htm

... they're getting more and more ready every day. And yes, Sir Isaac Newton was into Bible Code. Very much so. Yet he didn't find what he was looking for. He also studied and searched the physical dimensions and form of the Temple of G-d believing it had a code too. Well, David Flynn has worked it out. Both codes have now been worked out. See Micheael Drosnin's books on Bible Code for the other.
http://www.thebiblecode.com/?p=1



The following is a very advanced Theological study. Many won't accept this truth. But here it is anyway ... and thank you David Flynn for showing it to me. And no I don't teach this "Forbidden Secret Knowledge" in public school. But I sure think about these things on my own time. I'm willing to look into these very hard topics. Are you?:


The Angels were created before the Heavens and the Earth. They witnessed Creation over 14.8 B years ago ...

Job.38:1-7 (KJV)
[1] Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
[2] Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
[3] Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
[4] Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
[5] Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
[6] Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
[7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
http://www.billygraham.org/articlepage.asp?articleid=4091


Lucifer's fall and taking 33% of the Angels with him. These are now fallen angels ...

Revelation 12:4, 7-9 (KJV)
[4] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

[7] And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
[8] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
[9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.



After Lucifer's fall, we learn a great deal from looking behind the curtain where G-d reveals much, when HaShem allowed Satan to test Job as a reproof to Satan. And no matter how hard Satan tried, he couldn't get Job to turn against Adonai ...

Job 1:6-12 (KJV)
[6] Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
[7] And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
[8] And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
[9] Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
[10] Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
[11] But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
[12] And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.




Before Lucifer's fall from G-d. Note he had access to walk up and down in the midst, or among, the Stones of Fire, made of igneous rock; in other words, the terrestrial planetary bodies. After his fall he now only has access to planet Earth, (see above) and the ability to approach G-d in Heaven to accuse mankind and the Saints of G-d before HaShem.

Ezekial 28:13-16 (KJV)
[13] Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
[14] Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
[15] Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
[16] By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.


God brings destruction and judgement upon the escaping serpent Satan, and destroys, cuts to pieces, shatters, Rahab. Many suggest this was a 5th planet where Satan and many Angels often occupied. This now forms the Asteroid Belt. From this destruction we have the Late Bombardment period of time throughout our Solar System, bringing cosmic judgement onto the planets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Heavy_Bombardment
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/earth/earth_timeline/late_heavy_bombardment
http://www.universetoday.com/92375/new-research-casts-doubt-on-the-late-heavy-bombardment/


Job 26:11-13 (NIV)
11 The pillars of the heavens quake, aghast at his rebuke. 12 By his power he churned up the sea; by his wisdom he cut Rahab to pieces. 13 By his breath the skies became fair; his hand pierced the gliding serpent.

Psalm 89:8-11 (KJV)
[8] O LORD God of hosts, who is a strong LORD like unto thee? or to thy faithfulness round about thee?
[9] Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them.
[10] Thou hast broken Rahab in pieces, as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm.
[11] The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine: as for the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them.


Yeshua HaMashiach, Jesus the Christ, witnessed Lucifer fall from heaven to Earth ...

Luke 10:16-24 (KJV)
[16] He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
[17] And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
[18] And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
[19] Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
[20] Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
[21] In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
[22] All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
[23] And he turned him unto his disciples, and said privately, Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:
[24] For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.


There was an Angelic Age long before man was ever on Earth. They had cities. Then Lucifer's fall happened. Then severe and swift judgement from G-d. G-d wipes all life (again) and civilizations from Earth, cleaning the slate, without completely destroying Earth. G-d reboots life on Earth (again) bringing about modern man, Homo sapien, made in the image of HaShem, ...


Jeremiah 4:23-27 (KJV)
[23] I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
[24] I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
[25] I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
[26] I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
[27] For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.


Note how Jeremiah 4:23-27 parallels Genesis 1:2, and fits between Genesis 1:1, and Genesis 1:2. This is the Gap Theory. There is a gap of time between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. Jeremiah 4:23-27, along with other scriptures noted, fills in the gap. This was the time of Angels among "The Stones of Fire," and Lucifer's fall from G-d, leading to swift and severe judgement from G-d, destroying much of the surface of the terrestrial planets and destroying Rahab.


Gen.1:1-2 (KJV)
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Then G-d rebooted life again bringing about modern man.



Then we have Fallen Angels coming to Earth, about 200 of them the first time, mating with beautiful Women of Earth and having offspring called Nephilim. The Nephilim were the worst of both. They were half Fallen Angel and half Fallen Man. To see how bad this combination was, it was an abomination to G-d, read The Book of Enoch (1 Enoch). This is were we get the Greek Myths. There is some truth to the Greek Myths. Many of the characters are Nephilim.


http://www.biblestudytools.com/cjb/genesis/6.html

Genesis 6:1-9 (The Complete Jewish Bible)
1 In time, when men began to multiply on earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were attractive; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 ADONAI said, "My Spirit will not live in human beings forever, for they too are flesh; therefore their life span is to be 120 years." 4 The N'filim were on the earth in those days, and also afterwards, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; these were the ancient heroes, men of renown. 5 ADONAI saw that the people on earth were very wicked, that all the imaginings of their hearts were always of evil only. 6 ADONAI regretted that he had made humankind on the earth; it grieved his heart. 7 ADONAI said, "I will wipe out humankind, whom I have created, from the whole earth; and not only human beings, but animals, creeping things and birds in the air; for I regret that I ever made them." 8 But Noach found grace in the sight of ADONAI. 9 Here is the history of Noach.


Jude.1:1-25 (KJV)
[1] Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
[2] Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
[3] Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
[4] For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
[5] I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
[6] And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
[7] Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
[8] Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
[9] Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
[10] But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
[11] Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
[12] These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
[13] Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
[14] And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
[15] To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
[16] These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
[17] But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
[18] How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
[19] These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
[20] But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
[21] Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
[22] And of some have compassion, making a difference:
[23] And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
[24] Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
[25] To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_of_Jude



Some good reads on this:

The Book of Enoch (1Enoch)

All of David Flynn's books and articles ...

This forum discussion ...
http://www.christianforums.net/archive/index.php/t-4754.html?s=ebddf0960cb9174527a11e901634a705

The Science of God, by PhD Gerald Schroeder:
http://www.geraldschroeder.com/About.aspx

Rightly-Dividing Geology and the Book of Genesis Beyond the "Gap Theory" of Creationism:
http://www.kjvbible.org/




The way I see it, The Book of Nature and The Book of G-d are in perfect agreement.




Anyway, I just want to remember a gentle, loving, intelligent, even genius of a man of HaShem. I'm eternally grateful for your insights David. I will always tip my hat to you. Thank you. You were way ahead of so many others and you weren't scared to step-out of the box.

Rest in HaShem Adonai Elohim's Shalom, my brother. I will one day see you on the other side with Yeshua HaMashaich, and the saints, the people of G-d, and the Heavenly Hosts of G-d.
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