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Largo
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The Big Wide Open Face
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Sep 11, 2013 - 12:27pm PT
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Paul said: Postmodernism is the celebration of an undermining critique predicated on the discovery of irony and hypocrisy in any hegemony and is used primarily as a device for political critique.
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Postmodernism was a political device for political thinkers. For writers, visual artists, musicians, and so forth, long bound by extant forms and formulas, postmodernism had less to do with criticizing what was and more to do with slipping the moorings of the old, whatever they were. In a sense, postmodernism was a declaration that a majority of so-called absolute forms were in fact so many "Hilbert spaces," provisional structures used to organize reality, rather than last words on reality itself. That freed up Miles Evans and Bill Evans to fashion Kind of Blue, and for Jackson Pollock to start slinging paint around. And maybe a few scientists to think, "Never mind that; what about this?"
Imagine a dog slithering from a creek and shaking itself off.
And Fruity, where'd you find that episode of Twilight Zone. Lonely is a total classic. Don't start thinking the dramatic arts didn't know their way around a stage in 1959.
JL
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Sep 11, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
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The Twilight Zone episode " The Lonely" has always been one of my favorites.
The casting was excellent, Jack Warden being almost perfect in the lead role.
Death Valley does a masterful job playing the episode location.
John Dehner (Allenby) should be recognizable as one of the notable workhorse character actors in TV during the 50s and 60s. He epitomized a casting directors , producer, and directors ideal professional journeyman in the golden age of the TV character actor: dependable, punctual, a firm grasp of the script and his role, a fast learner, and very easy to work with.
This episode was the 7th episode of the first season ; the very next week an even greater TZ classic aired: Time Enough At Last with Burgess Meredith. Later that same season The Hitchhiker. When only these three are considered its easy to see why the series went on to become a hit and is still watched and talked about 50 yrs. later.
http://www.amazon.com/Twilight-Zone-Companion-Scott-Zicree/dp/1879505096
For myself the central meaning of The Lonely was the conversion of Warden's character.
His loneliness is the only dimension in his life. He is given a sort of palliative to that awesome loneliness in the form of the robot, which he initially rejects because it offends his sense of authenticity.
However , over time he is seduced by a heady combination of advanced technology and the continuing corrosive barren condition he is subject to. He is seduced by his own loneliness and the power this need for love and companionship has over him to transform an artificial simulated life into a real organic one.
For just a moment the dividing line between organic and inorganic is erased under the powerfully devastating crucible of this man's loneliness .
It takes one gun shot to arouse him from his nightmarish trance and restore the world to its realistic place in his psyche. It coincides with his loneliness having been officially paroled.
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jstan
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Sep 11, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
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I read most of the link immediately above but I have to go. This Weit.. guy is off the charts.
The common procedure seems to be that of stringing six words together that sound alright but then surrounding it with context that isn't alright. The idea being that readers stop thinking immediately as they have encountered a string of six words that seem believable. The assumption is that we are lazy.
Once more I will try and answer the question in this thread's title.
1. Because some people who proudly and loudly call themselves christian do some very unchristian and hateful things.
2. And Christians who aren't so narcissistic, don't object.
We went to the Anti-Vietnam protest in DC in 1970. Nearly a million of us stood there quietly in the most respectable clothes we had, but a disorderly group of screaming people waving flags ran up and down the street. Christianity may be having the same problem we had then. The TV cameras gravitate toward meaningless motion and miss the quietly determined response of millions.
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cintune
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The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Sep 11, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
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Here's some apparent proof that no matter how many idiotic decisions you might make, Jeebus'll watch your back for you.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Of course, in fact, they're just lucky it didn't rain harder.
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go-B
climber
Hebrews 1:3
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Sep 11, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
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...better than anything except being loved by God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit!
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Sep 12, 2013 - 12:13am PT
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Thanks, Fruity.
We so rarely get treated to drama that pared back, to a small ensemble cast in an intimate setting with limited scene breaks and shenanagans. Such a delicate art deftly played by wonderful, and as Ward pointed out, believable actors acting well within their limits. And dealing with the very kernal of existential aloneness. And the balm of compassion.
Such futuristic thinking to embody such great themes in a machine back in '59.
JL
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Sep 12, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
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Christianity may be having the same problem we had then. The TV cameras gravitate toward meaningless motion and miss the quietly determined response of millions.
Excellent point, jstan. Also, as you pointed out, we tend to criticize others, but not try to fix our own, massive faults.
My own Christian faith still rests on a basic premise that Bible study and Christianity generally must result in a changed life of the believer. Otherwise, it's less useful than BS*, which can make plants grow better.
*Bullsh*t, not Bible study).
John
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Sep 12, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
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Akin to them jamming AGW fear mongering Gore's book crap down the childrens throats
nice.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Potemkin Village
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Sep 13, 2013 - 07:37pm PT
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4) Is "consciousness" quantum?
5) Is"consciousness" supracausal?
6) Is "consciousness" supramaterial?
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Sep 13, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
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Remember to clean the inside of your computer screen every 30 days or else your monitor will not last as long, see more info here: http://sboisse.free.fr/fun/ecran.swf
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Potemkin Village
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Sep 13, 2013 - 07:44pm PT
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squishy, notwithstanding your whacky notion re a word and its meaning, you're a good man. :)
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 15, 2013 - 11:30am PT
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Why do people hate christianity?
I am reminded today of the 50 year anniversary of the Birmingham bombing of a church, killing three children, and carried out by the KKK, an American white supremacist CHRISTIAN organization.
Gosh, setting off IED's to kill innocent people. You wonder where radical Jihadists got the idea?
Only 50 years ago, and done on behalf of most of the posters on ST.
Why would anybody hate that?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Sep 15, 2013 - 11:35am PT
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What part of Christianity is advanced by bombing a church and killing kids? Those guys weren't working for Christ. Now, were they?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
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Sep 15, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
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Sep 13, 2013 - 08:50pm PT
TORAH – YHWH’S INSTRUCTIONS TO HIS PEOPLE
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So, how do we get started?
Just as Peter set forth a simple minimum requirement for new gentile converts who had not yet been schooled in the Torah (Acts 15), I suggest the following as the first and immediate steps to be taken on a journey of personal restoration to Torah obedience.
1. Immediate cessation of the practice of celebrating the pagan holidays which we inherited from the Roman Catholic church (Christmas, Easter, New Years, Valentines Day, Halloween).
2. Honor and keep the Sabbath day, which is the seventh day of the week (Saturday). You will be blessed if you do. The Sabbath is the sign, the ONLY sign, that you are a child of YHWH.
3. Learn and keep the “Feasts of the Lord” as described in Leviticus 23. Learn to know the difference between what the Scriptures say about the holidays and what is practiced by Judaism. Do not fall in the trap of “over shooting the mark” and fall into another religious burden.
4. Learn the Master’s dietary rules as set forth in Leviticus 11. No more bacon, ham, clams, crab, lobster and the like. These are detestable to YHWH and should be to you also. It’s not that difficult to keep and you will be healthier for it, and blessed.
5. In the past 4 millenia, there is no record of anybody being born in Israel with the name of “Jesus.” It is not the Messiah’s name. His name is Yahushua (like Joshua). The Father’s name is Yahuwah. It’s not Adonai, LORD, or any of the other nicknames given him by religions. Learn to know Him by His proper name.
http://aletheia.consultronix.com/22.html
This one's for Klimmer!
Malemut,
I'll have to get back to you on this, but I'll say what I can now. Some good in the above, and lots of bad.
Remember, Rabbi Shaul (Apostle Paul) in many letters to the Messianic Judaic synagogues and "Christian" Churches in the NT dealt with this very topic.
The Jews are a covenant chosen people of G-d. Messianic Jews are the natural branch grafted into the Root of the Tree Yeshua, and Judaism. Gentiles are the wild branch grafted into the the Root of the Tree Yeshua, and Judaism.
The Jews are to remain Jews and to be Torah observant, all 613 commandments, but we know we'll never do it all and fall short. Yeshua picks up the slack. Keeping Shabbat, the Sabbath is a covenant sign between the Jews and HaShem. It is not required of Messianic Gentile believers.
Messianic Gentile believers are required to keep 9 of the 10 commandments, of the Noahic Law. They are not required to become Jews (they can't) or take on the 613 commandments. The only commandment that non Jews, Gentiles, don't have to keep is Shabbat, the Sabbath. They can worship on Sunday, or Sunday through Saturday. Any day of the week. Read the NT carefully and talk with Messianic Rabbis who have had to deal with this and know HaShem's word intimately. The Christendom world really messes up this understanding really bad.
Messianic Jews and Gentiles are brother and sisters in the Adonai, and can worship together and should. But Jews are to remain Jews. HaShem does not place the burden of the entire Torah on Gentiles, only the Jews.
Now if a Gentile wants to take on the Messianic Judaic customs and 613 commandments like his fellow brother and sisters who are Jews, then they can if they want to. But its not required.
I really miss King Crab and Lobster. Lol. But it's a small price to pay. So many more benefits beyond the missing these foods. Messianic Judaism is really deep. I'm learning a great deal beyond what I learned in Christendom.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Sep 15, 2013 - 05:44pm PT
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I believe these metaphors as historical truth. I believe these numbers as the truth. There is no middle ground here between these beliefs, because neither believe theirs are beliefs, but the solid stuff - basic truths.
JL
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Sep 15, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
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Why do you seek to separate individual man and consciousness and god and the universe and the entirety of existence?
Seems to me anyone who's had a serious, hard-core psychedlic, meditative, or otherwise "religious ecstasy/epiphany" type experience all come around to the same point...there is no "me" there is only the one, the all encompassing. I think of that as "god" but not in any kind of anthropomorphic sense, you could just as easily call it the universe, nature, whatever.
It's generally the sheeple follower types, who've never had this kind of mystical experience, who buy into these specific dogmas, "religions" etc. There is no difference in any of the cores of these religions, only the way a specific person of a specific time attempted to capture that experience and communicate it, before they got bastardized by power hungry men with dogma, ceremony, and dicates to control their fellow men.
Maslow captures this idea nicely in his "Religions, Values, and Peak Experiences".
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Sep 16, 2013 - 10:56pm PT
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"why does everyone hate christianity so much?"...
... because it's easier than discussing "the law of the 1st ascent"!!!
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