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WBraun

climber
Sep 7, 2013 - 01:04pm PT
So your parked car is aware and needs no interaction with people to operate since it is pure matter.

Matter just spontaneously operates from nothing.

Holy cow ..... my car just drove away all by itself ......
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Sep 7, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
"Fear and Religion
Religion and Fear.
The two are historically entwined,
the catalysts for most of the atrocities
committed by man.
Fear of evil fuels religion,
religion fuels hatred, hatred fuels evil,
and evil fuels fear among the masses.
It's a diabolical cycle, and we have played
into the Devils hand"
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Sep 7, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
Your car drove away by itself and Cosmic will probably get a few more tickets ...a perfect example of Karma at work...RJ
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Sep 7, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
MikeL
Hey if you are out there check in and let us know how you're doing?
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 7, 2013 - 04:09pm PT
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
Philip K. Dick
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Sep 7, 2013 - 04:55pm PT
We are convinced that no alternatives that you have proposed exist.


Of course you are, because you have had no direct experinces with anything else to convince you otherwise. What makes me certain about this is that the only alternative you posit is "God" or some supernatural thing and in fact what I talking about can be studied and experienced as a simple, mechanical phenomenon no more difficult to understand then the iris on a camera, which can focus on one thing at the exclusion (blurred) of all else, as well as the idea that with sufficient light, a lens can be set on infinity with an infinite depth of field.

What's more, I offered to pay for you to go study for two days with someone in Idyllwild who is English fluent and who could make some of this clear to you, and you refused. Fair enough, but you can't out of the other side of your mouth insist that you are "convinced," having never taken even the required steps. We reap we you sew. That's no fault of the material nor of you, who keep ranting about being accused of "doing it wrong," but in fact you probably did it right, just not long enough or you tried to run it solo, which is like studying anything by yourself. Possible, but good teachers are a Godsend. And radically steepen your learning curve.

If you have no interest (judged by your effort, what you do, not by what you say) in that direction, fine. But leave off with your talk about being "convinced," while refusing to go where you might learn otherwise. That's called a "forked tongue" in any language.

JL
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Sep 7, 2013 - 05:31pm PT
I think fruity and mutemale should get a room. Imagine the pillow talk. Star Trek quotes and equations. I'm wet just thinking about it.

Come'on now ur gonna make Skepti jealous !!!

Ooo, you got me there! Actually I'm honored that you think I'm intelligent enough to be grouped in with them. And yes you've broken the code: all us educated science-types are closet Trekkies that love gay sex. And a chance for a gay menage a trois? Count me in!!

I hope before I die I can gain the intelligence you'all posses so as to understand that all life came to be by chance

So do we... So do we... You might start by finishing those remedial science classes you skipped to go fully Spiccoli. (Dooood!! That's my skull!!) Then add in comparative anatomy, biochem, embryology, microbiology, cellular & molecular bio, physiology, ecology and physics. Follow that with a reading of The Origin of Species (Betcha can't get past the first chapter) and finish up with reading the Miller-Urey experiment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller–Urey_experiment

In retrospect, you might want to add in an English class so you can have a good understanding of the language and spelling. You'all doesn't need an apostrophe and I'm pretty sure you aren't referring to a bunch of deputized cowboys or inner city rap groupies...

Tra-la-la!
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Sep 7, 2013 - 05:46pm PT
A fairly and mildly amusing post, but with a highly dissonant minor second interval :

Actually I'm honored that you think I'm intelligent enough to be grouped in with them.

Distressing.

BTW what does the Miller-Urey experiment have to do with anything?

Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 7, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
The religious right of twenty-first century America is anti-American, inherently violent, and a cruel, tyrannical, punitive, force of death and destruction. In its mindset, adult human lives do not matter because the human condition itself is inherently evil resulting in eternal and everlasting punishment in hell unless its members are redeemed in a prescribed manner by the fundamentalist God/man/savior, Jesus Christ. Moreover, with an embarrassingly adolescent flamboyance, Dominionists shamelessly rape, pillage, and desecrate the earth because in the first place, their Bible has given them authority over all things human and in the second place, their “imminent” apocalyptic rapture, transporting them from the human “veil of tears” to live happily ever after in heaven, entitles them to do so. Meanwhile, we the unredeemed, the unbelievers, the poor, the feminists, the gay and lesbian, the disabled, the homeless, the mentally ill, the addicted, and those who are conscientiously following divergent spiritual paths of their choice, are suffering in the wake of Christian fundamentalism’s devastation of the economy, the earth, and the human race. But this is what we deserve for not becoming born-again devotees of their Jesus. And we deserve even worse—to burn in hell for all of eternity. Hence, we are expendable, inconsequential, and a force to be conquered, broken, imprisoned, or killed.

The Religious Right - An Anti-American Terrorist Movement
By Carolyn Baker
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8816.htm
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Sep 7, 2013 - 06:52pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#320182

...even the prodigal son used good sense returning home to his (waiting loving) father!

Luke 15:7 I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 7, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
"A belief in an afterlife has the unavoidable effect of making this life less unique and precious.... Good luck finding an atheist willing to strap a bomb to his or her back, or fly a plane into a building...."
John Bice, American writer, religion columnist, and noted beer expert
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Sep 7, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
Yo didn't read what I said - that awareness is not contingent on "content," or the mind's interaction with people, places or things, nor yet with thoughts. Ergo, matter does in fact NOT require an interaction to be "aware,' since it IS aware to begin with.


First, what makes you think so? I'm not doubting that you believe this, I'm just curious how you came to it. This sounds a little like, "Awareness is what the meant brain does," a non-answer that would never fly if applied to anything. Purple Haze is what a guitar does, and all that. This is, of course, folly - we can easily see why.

But I'd be interested in hearing more about the pure awareness you must have experienced to actually know that content was not needed. Again. people speculate wildly on this thread so if you have actual experiences in this regards, I'm interested in hearing all about them.

JL
Ward Trotter

Trad climber
Sep 7, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
Good luck finding an atheist willing to strap a bomb to his or her back, or fly a plane into a building...."


Perhaps, but if you look not too far back into history and you will find a few atheists willing to establish freedom-destroying totalitarian states based upon mass imprisonment and murder.

...noted beer expert

Maybe too much of a beer expert, "noted" or otherwise.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 7, 2013 - 08:41pm PT

If you have no interest (judged by your effort, what you do, not by what you say) in that direction, fine. But leave off with your talk about being "convinced," while refusing to go where you might learn otherwise. That's called a "forked tongue" in any language.

This really reminds me of most all of the smarty pants around here. Always talk'in smack about followers of Christ without ever experiencing His promises. I've read the origins of species, a couple of times. What experience does it have to offer? Besides the opportunity to side in opinion. If I want to see the same species of bird with a different beak. I don't need to go to the Gallopio's. I can see that right here in the desert with the Hummingbirds. Big deal?
So what good does it do to read a bunch of theoretical books if there's no experience to be had? On the other hand, the bible is all about experience. The first half is all about examples of mans experience ranging from slave to King. And it provides equations to the outcomes
from mans desires. And the second half invites the reader to actively participate in a intimate
relationship with the Creator of the universe. The One that loves and knows you better than your own parents. The One that can hear ur thoughts and can answer your prayers by directing your path of experience. When simply trusting and obeying The Lord Jesus, He will
direct your path of experience. Changing a wrong mind to right, and a black heart to white.
It's ALL about experience that's builds faith.

Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 7, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
"Christian: One who follows the teachings of Christ insofar as they are not inconsistent with a life of sin."
"Clergyman: A man who undertakes the management of our spiritual affairs as a method of bettering his temporal ones."
"Infidel: In New York, one who does not believe in the Christian religion; in Constantinople, one who does."
"Pray: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy."
"Rack: An argumentative implement formerly much used in persuading devotees of a false faith to embrace the living truth."
"Religion: A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable."
"Scriptures: The sacred books of our holy religion, as distinguished from the false and profane writings on which all other faiths are based."

Ambrose Bierce
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Sep 7, 2013 - 09:15pm PT
A good discussion of various sources used in the compilation and correction of the bible.
Yet it ends with this:
The Children of Adam had been partying and mating with devils then, and they are partying and mating with devils today. Examining other scriptures, it is the evil who shall be taken out of the world, and not the good, who shall forever be preserved.
The Problem With Genesis 6:1-4
William Finck
http://christogenea.org/Gen614

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 7, 2013 - 09:15pm PT

Like any politician. Promises promises. No delivery.

I can empathize with ur view of men in power. But in no ways is the Creator of the universe bending in His word! It is by His word that this planet is perfect for the human being to inhabit.
And all of His promises provided in the bible are ours to petition. I have personally experienced and witnessed many times over. Thus my faith is Great! And I am definitely NOT one to move on hearsay!
sullly

Trad climber
Sep 7, 2013 - 09:18pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#320200
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Sep 7, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
"Why assume that when a carbon/nitrogen/oxygen based brain sends electrical signals across itself that it creates "consciousness," but when a silicon/copper/silver based computer chip does virtually the same thing, it doesn't result in consciousness?"

This was an interesting observation we all, myself included, have do-se-doed around handsomely. This is an especially curious question if we are cribbing a model from electronics and/or engineering. The real rub might be in believing that consciousness works like everything else in the galaxy: physical processes yield physical results. Except consciousness itself is not physical in any standard way. What's physical is the electro-chem processes, and calling them consciousness itself is just so much tap dancing if we're honest about it.

These are interesting questions rarely confronted at the level of the question, but often and eagerly dragged into the arena of other non or partial answers. Even the "complexity argument" cowers before this one. Imagine the complexity of electro-chemical processes coming down on Venus or Mercury yet we don't suspect they are conscious. AI has already claimed we need not have a "living" or bio unit to "create" consciousness so that argument is out - if we believe the AI folk.

Something to ponder.

JL

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 7, 2013 - 10:00pm PT
malemute
Do you even have any understanding in ur cut n pastes?
Besides all the misconstrued, taken out of text rants. You should have some knowledge of the whole bible in order to critique a certain passage. Some people quote" the root of all evil is money". But that's far from the root. The root is lust. All of the Ten Commandments have to do with controlling mans lust. It's mans self seeking lust for personal pleasure is what's an abomination to the family and God! And sexual lust by the unwed has always been the number one reason for weakness and for falling from Holyness. Take a look around today,
most of the problems and evils all carry roots in sexual lust. In every town. Every city. Every nation. Bar none! And this is what Gen. 6 is concerning. God set in motion a plan and man rebelled. How would you like it if your child went so far against what you taught? What would you do?
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