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BLUEBLOCR
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joshua tree
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I hope before I die I can gain the intelligence you'all posses so as to understand that all life came to be by chance. The sheer luck in the roll of the dice. That all this energy is for not. Just an exasperation. And nothing is reaped from all that was sown. That all emotional investment was wasted breath. And the pure accumulation of information is the crown achievement.
When my eyes close for the last time, I'll.......
Forget?
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WBraun
climber
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The stupid atheistic dog Malemute is quoting Socrates who was one of the most advanced intelligent God conscious people around.
This shows and proves he doesn't even understand his own arguments nor the people he is using.
This to be expected from a stupid dog ......
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MH2
climber
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I though Howard the Duck was a film about a guy who could clear a traffic jam by eyeball blasting the cars in front.
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MH2
climber
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Now I get it.
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MH2
climber
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Why do you think you have been assigned that seat in the corner, dude? To gather the empirical evidence your own self, rather than to take some one's word for it, or read a print out of it off a machine.
Not even close. Yo didn't read what I said - that awareness is not contingent on "content," or the mind's interaction with people, places or things, nor yet with thoughts. Ergo, matter does in fact NOT require an interaction to be "aware,' since it IS aware to begin with.
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WBraun
climber
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So your parked car is aware and needs no interaction with people to operate since it is pure matter.
Matter just spontaneously operates from nothing.
Holy cow ..... my car just drove away all by itself ......
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Your car drove away by itself and Cosmic will probably get a few more tickets ...a perfect example of Karma at work...RJ
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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MikeL
Hey if you are out there check in and let us know how you're doing?
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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We are convinced that no alternatives that you have proposed exist.
Of course you are, because you have had no direct experinces with anything else to convince you otherwise. What makes me certain about this is that the only alternative you posit is "God" or some supernatural thing and in fact what I talking about can be studied and experienced as a simple, mechanical phenomenon no more difficult to understand then the iris on a camera, which can focus on one thing at the exclusion (blurred) of all else, as well as the idea that with sufficient light, a lens can be set on infinity with an infinite depth of field.
What's more, I offered to pay for you to go study for two days with someone in Idyllwild who is English fluent and who could make some of this clear to you, and you refused. Fair enough, but you can't out of the other side of your mouth insist that you are "convinced," having never taken even the required steps. We reap we you sew. That's no fault of the material nor of you, who keep ranting about being accused of "doing it wrong," but in fact you probably did it right, just not long enough or you tried to run it solo, which is like studying anything by yourself. Possible, but good teachers are a Godsend. And radically steepen your learning curve.
If you have no interest (judged by your effort, what you do, not by what you say) in that direction, fine. But leave off with your talk about being "convinced," while refusing to go where you might learn otherwise. That's called a "forked tongue" in any language.
JL
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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I think fruity and mutemale should get a room. Imagine the pillow talk. Star Trek quotes and equations. I'm wet just thinking about it.
Come'on now ur gonna make Skepti jealous !!!
Ooo, you got me there! Actually I'm honored that you think I'm intelligent enough to be grouped in with them. And yes you've broken the code: all us educated science-types are closet Trekkies that love gay sex. And a chance for a gay menage a trois? Count me in!!
I hope before I die I can gain the intelligence you'all posses so as to understand that all life came to be by chance
So do we... So do we... You might start by finishing those remedial science classes you skipped to go fully Spiccoli. (Dooood!! That's my skull!!) Then add in comparative anatomy, biochem, embryology, microbiology, cellular & molecular bio, physiology, ecology and physics. Follow that with a reading of The Origin of Species (Betcha can't get past the first chapter) and finish up with reading the Miller-Urey experiment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller–Urey_experiment
In retrospect, you might want to add in an English class so you can have a good understanding of the language and spelling. You'all doesn't need an apostrophe and I'm pretty sure you aren't referring to a bunch of deputized cowboys or inner city rap groupies...
Tra-la-la!
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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A fairly and mildly amusing post, but with a highly dissonant minor second interval :
Actually I'm honored that you think I'm intelligent enough to be grouped in with them.
Distressing.
BTW what does the Miller-Urey experiment have to do with anything?
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go-B
climber
Hebrews 1:3
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...even the prodigal son used good sense returning home to his (waiting loving) father!
Luke 15:7 I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Yo didn't read what I said - that awareness is not contingent on "content," or the mind's interaction with people, places or things, nor yet with thoughts. Ergo, matter does in fact NOT require an interaction to be "aware,' since it IS aware to begin with.
First, what makes you think so? I'm not doubting that you believe this, I'm just curious how you came to it. This sounds a little like, "Awareness is what the meant brain does," a non-answer that would never fly if applied to anything. Purple Haze is what a guitar does, and all that. This is, of course, folly - we can easily see why.
But I'd be interested in hearing more about the pure awareness you must have experienced to actually know that content was not needed. Again. people speculate wildly on this thread so if you have actual experiences in this regards, I'm interested in hearing all about them.
JL
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Good luck finding an atheist willing to strap a bomb to his or her back, or fly a plane into a building...."
Perhaps, but if you look not too far back into history and you will find a few atheists willing to establish freedom-destroying totalitarian states based upon mass imprisonment and murder.
...noted beer expert
Maybe too much of a beer expert, "noted" or otherwise.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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If you have no interest (judged by your effort, what you do, not by what you say) in that direction, fine. But leave off with your talk about being "convinced," while refusing to go where you might learn otherwise. That's called a "forked tongue" in any language.
This really reminds me of most all of the smarty pants around here. Always talk'in smack about followers of Christ without ever experiencing His promises. I've read the origins of species, a couple of times. What experience does it have to offer? Besides the opportunity to side in opinion. If I want to see the same species of bird with a different beak. I don't need to go to the Gallopio's. I can see that right here in the desert with the Hummingbirds. Big deal?
So what good does it do to read a bunch of theoretical books if there's no experience to be had? On the other hand, the bible is all about experience. The first half is all about examples of mans experience ranging from slave to King. And it provides equations to the outcomes
from mans desires. And the second half invites the reader to actively participate in a intimate
relationship with the Creator of the universe. The One that loves and knows you better than your own parents. The One that can hear ur thoughts and can answer your prayers by directing your path of experience. When simply trusting and obeying The Lord Jesus, He will
direct your path of experience. Changing a wrong mind to right, and a black heart to white.
It's ALL about experience that's builds faith.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Like any politician. Promises promises. No delivery.
I can empathize with ur view of men in power. But in no ways is the Creator of the universe bending in His word! It is by His word that this planet is perfect for the human being to inhabit.
And all of His promises provided in the bible are ours to petition. I have personally experienced and witnessed many times over. Thus my faith is Great! And I am definitely NOT one to move on hearsay!
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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"Why assume that when a carbon/nitrogen/oxygen based brain sends electrical signals across itself that it creates "consciousness," but when a silicon/copper/silver based computer chip does virtually the same thing, it doesn't result in consciousness?"
This was an interesting observation we all, myself included, have do-se-doed around handsomely. This is an especially curious question if we are cribbing a model from electronics and/or engineering. The real rub might be in believing that consciousness works like everything else in the galaxy: physical processes yield physical results. Except consciousness itself is not physical in any standard way. What's physical is the electro-chem processes, and calling them consciousness itself is just so much tap dancing if we're honest about it.
These are interesting questions rarely confronted at the level of the question, but often and eagerly dragged into the arena of other non or partial answers. Even the "complexity argument" cowers before this one. Imagine the complexity of electro-chemical processes coming down on Venus or Mercury yet we don't suspect they are conscious. AI has already claimed we need not have a "living" or bio unit to "create" consciousness so that argument is out - if we believe the AI folk.
Something to ponder.
JL
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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malemute
Do you even have any understanding in ur cut n pastes?
Besides all the misconstrued, taken out of text rants. You should have some knowledge of the whole bible in order to critique a certain passage. Some people quote" the root of all evil is money". But that's far from the root. The root is lust. All of the Ten Commandments have to do with controlling mans lust. It's mans self seeking lust for personal pleasure is what's an abomination to the family and God! And sexual lust by the unwed has always been the number one reason for weakness and for falling from Holyness. Take a look around today,
most of the problems and evils all carry roots in sexual lust. In every town. Every city. Every nation. Bar none! And this is what Gen. 6 is concerning. God set in motion a plan and man rebelled. How would you like it if your child went so far against what you taught? What would you do?
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