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WBraun
climber
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^^^^ This stupid dog Malemute has rabies now ^^^^^
He's foaming at the keyboard.
Insane ......
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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my one and only post to this thread:
what a stupid, uninteresting, shitty thread that inexplicably surfaces to the top of a climbing forum
like a dog turd in a Canoga Park swimming pool.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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I'm not insisting anything, I'm just saying that you cannot rule out an empirical explanation of consciousness, that's all... and even when we obtain it, you won't be impressed, and it won't answer the questions you have...
it's not circular, it's just a way of looking at things. You look at things quite differently, sullly looks at things even more differently... so what?
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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BTW what does the Miller-Urey experiment have to do with anything? +
I hope before I die I can gain the intelligence you'all posses so as to understand that all life came to be by chance = answer. Got it now?
I've read the origins of species, a couple of times. Uh, sure....
If I want to see the same species of bird with a different beak. I don't need to go to the Gallopio's.
What experience does it have to offer?
The ability to understand and be amazed at the adaptability and tenaciousness of life. To more fully understand the interdependent processes of the animate and inanimate. To realize that we are just a fleck of dust in this unimaginably immense universe. To be freed from the chains of superstition and ignorance that man has shackled himself with in the form of religious dictums.
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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To be freed from the chains of superstition and ignorance that man has shackled himself with in the form of religious dictums.
Stockholm Syndrome.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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it's not circular, it's just a way of looking at things. You look at things quite differently, sullly looks at things even more differently... so what?
Well, two bucks plus two bucks does equal four bucks.
But two ducks plus two ducks can equal eight ducks.
It's awe inspiring to connect with another believer and discover how The Almighty has touched us so perfectly in our individuality.
And don't you believe all energies to be circular?
Edit: obliviously all matter is circular right.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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= answer. Got it now?
No,I don't
What does:
I hope before I die I can gain the intelligence you'all posses so as to understand that all life came to be by chance
have to do with the Miller-Urey experiments.?
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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I'm not insisting anything, I'm just saying that you cannot rule out an empirical explanation of consciousness, that's all... and even when we obtain it, you won't be impressed, and it won't answer the questions you have...
it's not circular, it's just a way of looking at things. You look at things quite differently, sullly looks at things even more differently... so what?
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Hi Ed,
Of course I can look at things in strictly materialist terms, but all I see is material. An honest question: What manner of empirical explanation can start to explain how self-awareeness is "created" by the brain? Can you imagine an explanation that avoids the swindle perspective of one thing being another, that this (self awareness) is what that (material) does? Or that these "mirror" cells "do" consciousness.
The real challenge is that human experience is unlike any other known "thing" on the universe.
I can't answer why this is so or what is involved, any more that I can answer why electricity accomplishes this in that system, and consciousness in the meat brain - or so the belief goes.
I was asked this the other day and I don't have the science to anwswer:
Do falling rocks "explain" gravity? Is gravity the result of the material stirrings associated with it, or "producing" it. When we are measuring gravity, and we measuring the force itself, or the material stirred about by virtue of gravity? Of course, I couldn't start to answer any of these, and I wasn't such a snake to claim they were invalid or false questions.
JL
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Good Skepti
My hope is that we would all learn something today.
For as long as man could think, have we not understood that all material is recycle able? Or circular? Today we know that star dust is most prevalent in the sands of the Sahara. And even in our bodies. Even sun light recycles itself, forever?
Funny how scientist try to predict the age of the universe by equating lights speed and distance travelled. = 15 billion yrs. but what if it had already been shinning for a trillion yrs?
Then their stupid. Scientist can't comprehend God and eternals so they put Him in a box. Stupid
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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God, or gods, or whatever you need to label it, if you need to label it, exists whenever you wonder... or ponder ... or consider ... or maybe even dream.
You create it, and are perhaps it.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Ignored, Forgotten, Dead
^^^ that's a fact jack!
Because you can't have material spiritualism.
That's why wen the Catholics and mormans and Muslims run out of money, they'all will be forgotten too.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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TE
Everything is labeled precisely in the bible
It's up to you to read it or not
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WBraun
climber
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Just see intelligent person shows up ^^^^
After that stupid rabid dog stopped barking at the white space in his twisted head.
Somebody must of threw a rock at the dog over the fence ....
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Blue, the flaw in the Bible may be in its alleged precision that you allude to. A topo can also contain such flaws...
... "oh my God, this rating is so Old Testament, and the pins are rusting!!!"
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Ignored, Forgotten, Dead
^^^ that's a fact jack!
Because you can't have material spiritualism.
That's why wen the Catholicism and Mormonism and Muslimism run out of money, they'all will be forgotten too.
Edit: I had to fix this. I did not realize intelligent people were watching.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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... "oh my God, this rating is so Old Testament, and the pins are rusting!!!"
That's why it's ALL A3+
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Had to stay up late to catch my Cinnamon Dream,
Esperanza Spalding.
I call out all you mechanicalist to go sit in the corner with earbuds positioned, cranked to 10.
And listen to Esperanza Spalding with the score card in hand and determine what the outcome will be. How could anyone besides maybe hitler could say humans are mechcanicalistic? After listening to that music, that voice, and Ingard Thomas' trumpet.
That's sentience BABY!! Bending the Body, and Bending the Notes!
Edit: BTW, you can catch a live version on PBS/SoCal. And BTW is the only tv worth watching. Have you seen their programs on the brain, or the one on climate change?
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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BTW what does the Miller-Urey experiment have to do with anything?
Did you click the link to the wiki page I provided? If you didn't understand the material presented, then you would benefit from taking an organic chemistry class.
If you're just having problems following the logic of: basic ingredients + energy -(millions of years)-> amino acids/nucleotides -(millions of years)-> RNA/DNA -(millions of years)-> early life form -(millions of years of natural selection)-> more complex life forms -(millions of years of natural selection)-> basic neural control system -(millions of years)-> reptilian brain -(millions of years)-> increasing complexity of the brain/control system -(millions of years)-> intelligence -(thousands of years)-> extinction by overpopulation/industrialization because we learned to control our environment but not our waste (oops, thread drift!), then I can't help you.
Tra-la-la!
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