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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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You've been trolled, pawned and owned yourself by posting to this stupid thread.
Excuse the biblical reference, but OH GOD!, this is so f-ing ironic.
It's like one lobster saying to the others, "You are all idiots for ending up in this pot of boiling water."
Dave
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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But what if its a rheostat?
But what if it's not linear at all?
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Potemkin Village
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You mentioned a royal road to sentience
Again, sometimes you have to read a post more carefully. This allusion was to your education process in life sciences. That's what the famous "royal road" references here. In one post you jump from talking about "machinery" and its definition (about which you're confused, about which you have an old 19th century definition if not understanding) to consciousness. No wonder there is so much mis-communication about.
An example "machinery of life" is photosynthesis apparatus. This was identified. There are thousands of such examples in cellular biology and beyond across the life sciences. It takes effort to learn about them obviously.
The point was the more learning in these areas concerning the machinery of life is stacked up, the more it positions one (in this case, you) to appreciate the claim that mental life aka consciousness is what brain does.
Later...
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Potemkin Village
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But what if it's not linear at all?
In large part, it's not linear. The bulk of it is probably non-linear and at many levels chaotic.
But perhaps your post was for entertainment? only you know whether or not you got dmt's point.
I figure you did. As that's a pretty cool gif there.
Completely mechanistic (deterministic), btw.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Potemkin Village
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Jim,
you should bring that back, go ahead call me biased but that was awesome!
Bring it back, it'll be first up on the page! :)
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Potemkin Village
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One answer to the OP question:
Because its views concerning sex, women and cleanliness are more than a wee bit out-dated.
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Jim,
No good reason philosophizing about science shouldn't be entertaining as well. ;)
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go-B
climber
Hebrews 1:3
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If you don't believe and IF there is no God at all, you got nothing to worry about!
What me worry...
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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If you do believe and you finally find out there is no God at all,...
you're in for some big disappointment. And all that time you spent memorizing and posting bible verses could've been spent actually doing something constructive for mankind.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Potemkin Village
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you're in for some big disappointment
Skepti,
you do see the irony in your post to go-B?
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If you don't believe and IF there is no God at all, you got nothing to worry about!
You mean other than religious militant fundamentalist zealots getting their hands on nuclear material in the name of God Jehovah in this world, right?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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These are bio functions that we can observe as having certain mechanical processes. A machine, as every schoolboy knows, is something else. What's more, none of those processes you mentioned have the capacity to detect and explain sentience, which is what the discussion is about.
that's an interesting statement...
if you presume that evolution is responsible for those machines, and that evolution is responsible for us, then those "processes," all related, have the capacity to detect and explain sentience...
it is certainly consistent with the theory of how it all came to be, that is, the theory of evolution.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Right Malemute....that's why I don't hate christianity but, right wing christians, well they certainly do provide good reason for my definition of hate.
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MisterE
climber
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If energy can neither be created nor destroyed, and given that our living spirits possess a certain energy - Heaven must be bursting at the seams with potential energy.
Just a thought.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Funniest sh#t of the day!
I think fruity and mutemale should get a room. Imagine the pillow talk. Star Trek quotes and equations. I'm wet just thinking about it.
Come'on now ur gonna make Skepti jealous !!!
BWWAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAA!
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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"I am satisfied with, is that lines and lines of evidence across many and various sciences all in a convergent pattern point to "mental life" as brain function."
My only contention with this that consciousness is "created" by the brain (a little like an avalanche "creates" gravity), that any other notion is creationism or God talk or boogy man shite, and that while we can look at the brain as a mega great data processor, no neuroscientist alive has made one step toward showing how the brain "creates" subjective experience. Ed chimed in and suggested that bio machines can not only detect but explain sentience, so have at it. You will invariably be left with either saying this is a trick question and we're just not there yet per our neuroscience, or you'll collapse objective functioning into sentience, or bark out that daft dirge that "consciousness is what the brain does," as though that explains anything to anyone's satisfaction. That's just a sill piece of ad copy.
But I'm sick of this circular argument. I'm convinced that to understand what is at play here you have to first understand the discursive reasoning that insists consciousness IS mechanical. Once you see how that works, and more importantly, how it does NOT work, namely what limits discursive thinking has, then the rest unfolds pretty quickly. But again, looking inside is not allowed to people on this list, apparently. Granted, it's not for everyone.
And the so-called charicature of machines learning to love was actually a quote from some swindler who had jobbed a huge amount of money from many sources to study consciousness and so forth. Can't remember his name.
But the interesting fact remains that if we can explain consciounsness totally in mechanical terms, then a conscious, non-organic machine is at least a possibility.
People interested in this might find this article interesting:
https://www.bigquestionsonline.com/content/will-machines-ever-become-human
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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(a little like an avalanche "creates" gravity)
the crux of the biscuit
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Sep 6, 2013 - 06:52pm PT
Funniest sh#t of the day!
I think fruity and mutemale should get a room. Imagine the pillow talk. Star Trek quotes and equations. I'm wet just thinking about it.
Come'on now ur gonna make Skepti jealous !!!
BWWAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAA!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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^^^^ that's Precious!
Wonder where you fit in
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WBraun
climber
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"A true scientist will find/see God."
"A true intellectually honest person will come into contact with God."
 the duck ......
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WBraun
climber
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That consciousness thing is a tough one...
No it isn't.
It's very simple to understand.
We're just plain stupid .....
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Decko
Trad climber
Colorado
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Yawn........
When your dead your dead......
No book full of stories can make me believe there is anything else after that.
Personally I think religions and the belief of an after life cause your a believer is the biggest load of horse sh#t out there
We are all carbon based life forms that have evolved its proof.......
Show me proof all the earth holds and is was created in 7 days and well that's a great tale to hear.........
Ur gonna die
That and taxes are for certain.......
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