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ecdh
climber
the east
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Mar 17, 2019 - 11:58pm PT
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Good insights there RL. No doubt plenty of Black Power and Mongrels in there too.
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Mar 18, 2019 - 09:46am PT
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The manifesto is one giant troll. If you're not familiar with meme culture, it'll go over your head. The only reason he didn't to the floss dance in court was due to handcuffs.
His aim is "accelerationism". He wants his act to trigger an over-reaction by the government (which is already happening) which will trigger more people to be anti-government and anti-immigrant. He chose to use guns instead of explosives for this reason. He's quite explicit about it, and his plan is working.
The "alt-right" is, so far as I can tell, primarily comprised of young men who can't find gainful employment or meaning in the modern West. They know they're being f*#ked in the ass, but don't know why or by whom. Many see the world as irrevocably tainted and headed toward a worse state of affairs and the current political process as part of the problem because they have no influence, thus the only way to affect change is to trigger a war where people see each other primarily in terms of race and thus the white nations will 'win' due to superior numbers and firepower.
Not agreeing with it; just my analysis.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Mar 18, 2019 - 09:55am PT
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I think Guantanamo would be the perfect place for him.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Mar 18, 2019 - 10:10am PT
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Now, it's Chelsea Clinton's fault?
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Forty-nine people died because of the rhetoric you put out there!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Mar 18, 2019 - 10:18am PT
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Terrible. These naive SJW types are changing American college campuses everywhere and by and large, imo, not for the better. We are witnessing the left cannibalizing itself. If Trump wins another election this will be why in large part.
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Mar 18, 2019 - 10:39am PT
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Ugh, the snapping triggered me
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Mar 18, 2019 - 10:46am PT
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OK, so I did a bit of research and the video does not show anyone blaming Chelsea Clinton for the shooting. They're criticizing her for piling on Ilhan Omar alongside the 'right':
https://twitter.com/vivafalastin/status/1106827979097808896
It's always good to remember that we rarely ever see the events which precede or follow a video clip, or what the camera isn't showing, or the context.
Finger snapping is still fty however
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nah000
climber
now/here
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Mar 18, 2019 - 01:02pm PT
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in regards to Ballo’s second to last post above: i agree with most of what you are saying... however i disagree with your opening argument that the fUcked up human’s “manifesto” is one giant troll... i dunno... while there are certainly elements of that in there i wouldn’t go near that far... a warped sense of humour wrapped in internet culture, sure... but continuous trolling?
i think he states his [fUcked up] case quite clearly: he believes white euro descendants are superior. he believes that non-whites have higher birth rates. he believes that we should respect the earth and that overpopulation is antithetical to that aim and as such terms himself an eco-fascist. he believes that due to the intersection between the above three points there will be an inevitable race based war in the future. he believes that by his jump starting that war and being a martyr he will have some kind of legacy. he believes that by using guns in his attack he will be able to sow discord in the u.s. which will hopefully lead to an accelerated second amendment based balkanization...
pretty coherent, as far as i saw... [though i must admit i skimread the last two thirds pretty rapidly.]
and, as Barro mentioned, so far, specifically with regards to the last point, pretty successful.
and so, in the same way that if the mass of men actually read osama bin laden’s initially stated goals [which were to bankrupt the u.s. through endless wars due to the u.s.’s involvement in the middle east, generally and israel, specifically] it might have saved a whole shIt ton of lives and money, by maybe leading the mass of men into not backing the same bull shIt reactionary response that whatever the fUcked up human boogeyman du hour hoped we would take...
in the same way, we would be well served to respond here, as wel: by first considering what is actually being said.
imo, the problem, in the contemporary world at least, is never “the left”, or “the right”, or “the alt-right” or “the eco-fascist left”, or “al-qaeda” or “the taliban” or “antifa” or whatever the new overhyped and completely overstated boogeyman du hour is.
the problem is and will continue to be that there are both a few individuals who don’t have power who are so sure of their beliefs that they are willing to kill for them. and in response there are a few individuals who are in power who are willing to use those deaths to justify agendas that involve killing more folks and that whose actual motivation is in most contemporary cases incidental to the originally stated agenda...
as long as the layperson refuses to look at this shIt for themselves our blood and life energy will continue to be the grease under the sledge of both the major and minor powers, as they use each other to meet their own ends.
it would be sweet if someday the mass of men learned to step out of the way...
so that i’m clear: that the press is, for the first time that i can recall, generally not publishing his face or the video of the actual shootings or his name is a step forward... yes, i understand that those will inevitably get around and if that’s something a person thinks will add to their life by seeing, then so be it.
otoh, this very strange attempt by the press to both “not link” to his direct words while [lying by omission and] telling us “what he says in the manifesto” is as mind boggling as most of trump’s “don’t believe your eyes, believe what i’m telling you”, bullshIt...
strange world. good luck out there.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Mar 18, 2019 - 01:12pm PT
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He didn't receive any special "training", or it didn't stick. His kit was also pure garbage.
A cowardly unskilled murderer of women and children was all he was.
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Mar 18, 2019 - 01:34pm PT
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nah000, just because it's a troll doesn't mean it isn't done for what he deems serious reasons.
His whole shooting is a giant troll. He's trolling for a reaction which will further sow division and a heavy-handed Orwellian reaction, and it's working.
Otherwise I agree with your post.
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nah000
climber
now/here
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Mar 18, 2019 - 04:11pm PT
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^^^^
yeah, fair enough. for me the challenge in using the word troll in this situation is that we are talking about fifty dead and that as far as i understand with regards to posting info on the interwebs the word “troll” generally means posting bullshIt in order to gain an emotional reaction... in this specific case he definitely did some of the latter [the navy seal copy pasta and the candace owens horse shIt for example] and he also, in the traditional metaphoric sense of fishing for a response [and in the same way that osama bin laden “trolled” for a response] did that, as well, with both his act and much of his writing...
i just think given the multiple meanings of the word and due to the way that a bunch of the media has dismissed the bulk of his writing as a “troll” [in the contemporary emotionally manipulative way] i have an aversion to using it with regards to all of his writing even though in a more traditional sense the whole thing is exactly that... since we’ve made it this far down this pedantic highway i’d suggest his writing and act are a “provocation” that we collectively get to choose how we are going to react to... so far i remain generally disappointed with the bull shIt that is being said from the larger bully pulpits...
it’s a fine grain discussion for sure and ultimately with regards to the meaning underneath our words, i suspect we are in agreement.
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Mar 18, 2019 - 05:16pm PT
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Robert, the problem is the only way to disarm people is with other guns, and the government's record isn't exactly stellar. This web site gives a conservative estimate of 262,000,000 people killed by their own government (democide) in the 20th century alone:
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
I believe the estimate for criminal murders (most not committed with a firearm) during this time is about 20mil which would be about 7% of the total murders.
So which should I be more concerned about? The 7% or the 93%?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 18, 2019 - 05:26pm PT
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You DO know that the military sees them as highly effective defensive weapons as well?
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Treezypoof
Trad climber
Cyberia
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Mar 18, 2019 - 05:28pm PT
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I watch a lot of weird videos on YouTube that don’t have music while I’m running scales on guitar.
Current favorite is structure fires, but often watch police videos.
Anyone who thinks they stand a chance against the government with an AR and tactical pants is delusional.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Mar 18, 2019 - 05:40pm PT
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Little coverage of Christians being killed in Africa or the Middle East.
And little note is made of the fact that not all Palestinian terrorists are Muslim. Christian Palestinians don't fit the propaganda.
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Mar 18, 2019 - 05:42pm PT
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"Only a minority wants public access to rapid-loading, high-capacity guns. I wish they got more into mountain biking or fishing."
Robert, what the majority or minority wants is completely irrelevant. The reason a lot of people have semi-automatic standard capacity rifles is to prevent democide. It has nothing to do with sport.
You start passing laws in the heat of passion based on compassion who knows what the result will be!
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Mar 18, 2019 - 05:49pm PT
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If rifles are so useless, how come the first priority of the US military when they occupy a country is to disarm the populace?
Now don't get me wrong, I don't believe in some stupid Hollywood Rambo character taking on the entire government. That's a strawman. I just don't want the government or a crime syndicate to have an absolute monopoly on lethal firepower. I'm far more concerned about various agencies buying military equipment than my neighbor. Why does the US Post Office need M-16s with bayonets?
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Treezypoof
Trad climber
Cyberia
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Mar 18, 2019 - 05:52pm PT
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Because a bunch of jackass construction workers have bump stocks?
IDK. Just sayin. Prepare to be slaughtered.
By my research, it takes the FD a lot longer to get the water flowing than for the full SWAT to show up over a bag of dank.
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