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Ballo
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Mar 18, 2019 - 05:56pm PT
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The whole point is not to be as soft a target so you mitigate the risk of being slaughtered.
Sometimes you get reminders of what people really want...
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Treezypoof
Trad climber
Cyberia
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Mar 18, 2019 - 05:57pm PT
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Live by it, die by it then.
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Mar 18, 2019 - 06:01pm PT
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That saying applies to people to use violence to get their way, not in defensive terms.
The meek shall inherit the Earth
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Mar 18, 2019 - 06:10pm PT
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I am no Trump supporter, but this sort of thing is really rare, right wing hate killings. In the last three weeks 120 or so Christians were killed in Nigeria by Fulani Muslim militants and Boko Harem. The Fulani Group also destroyed 43 homes. In Africa, these groups, made up mostly of young black males, have been killing and raping with impunity.
The killing in New Zealand cannot be predicted; these lone nut cases can spring up anywhere in the world. But the groups in Africa can be identified and fought. These groups will kill far more innocent people within the next year than these right wing nut jobs will do in the next ten years, gun control or not.
Back in 2000, the British Special Forces carried out an operation know as Operation Barras against one of these groups, to free their people. They killed about 25, captured around 40-50, and 300 more surrendered within two weeks. They lost one soldier in the raid.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 18, 2019 - 06:18pm PT
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How many millions have died in Zaire, Rwanda, Uganda, Mali, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Chad,
Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea, Mozambique, and Angola in the last couple of decades?
Apologies to any I left out.
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Treezypoof
Trad climber
Cyberia
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Mar 18, 2019 - 06:22pm PT
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Is the second casualty changing it, Jim, then?
Lol
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Mar 18, 2019 - 07:22pm PT
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Jim sounds antisemantic
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Treezypoof
Trad climber
Cyberia
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Mar 18, 2019 - 07:47pm PT
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Hahaha!
Kind of a triggered snowflake grammar nazi.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 18, 2019 - 08:09pm PT
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St00pid clueless brainwashed clowns here and mainloon media are the perfect storm for more st00pid clueless lunatic bullsh!t here.
You people have no idea what's really going on ..... as USUAL!
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Treezypoof
Trad climber
Cyberia
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Mar 18, 2019 - 08:12pm PT
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Werner is long winded today.
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Mar 18, 2019 - 08:20pm PT
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I'm sharing this obscure video because he's really onto something. Anyone trying to figure out the shooter's politics is only going to end up confused because he's a nihilist:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
(don't agree with the baseball bat comment as it would have been too long, but otherwise seemed sound to me)
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TradMike
Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Mar 18, 2019 - 08:49pm PT
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Our population is getting so dense, the people that can't handle the crowds are going insane and acting out. They need their space and that is getting hard to find anymore. This is one of my big concerns. I have been scuba diving all my life and the oceans were healthy when I was young. Now, everything is getting a coating of algae from the nitrate build up. I know from experience with fish tanks, once the algae starts building up, a total collapse of the system follows shortly after. Granted, this is a big system. The solution to pollution used to be dilution. We have run out of places to dilute with. I shudder when I think about our kids. The earth can't handle this many people. We are like a cancer to it with our pollution. I believe someone like this person sees it also and acts out in a way they think may help. Totally dillusional and wrong on every level but you can't have logic with an insane person. They have no shame to logic with. "Some people you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it. I don't like it anymore than you."
I love everyone, I love immigrants and I want the best for everyone. I would never step on someone to get ahead myself. The sad truth is there are a lot of people who would. That in itself is the crux. We need to have a deep discussion about whether we want a utopia for everyone or we all want to try to get ahead and to hell with our planet. If we don't all come together through hard work and sacrifice, we will all ultimately perish. Cortez says a decade, I think we have more time but the population needs to stabilize and reduce to a sustainable level where there is enough to go around without poisoning the planet. I am horrified that I have this in common with the person who just acted out this horrendous deed. I am horrified that I spoke to this shortly before this person acted out. This is not how we come together for a greater cause.
I hope the premonition I had as a child does not come true. Many of my premonitions have come true which is scary to me. As a child I drew a replica of the four horsemen by Albrecht Dürer as my only and scarily good work of art. Peace Out.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Mar 18, 2019 - 09:11pm PT
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I think we have more time but the population needs to stabilize and reduce to a sustainable level where there is enough to go around without poisoning the planet. Unfortunately there’s no economic system where that works, so therefore it will never happen. War, disease and famine are the only forces that will counteract. All wars prior are basically about resources, and there will be more.
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Mar 18, 2019 - 09:42pm PT
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Yikes. Count my vote as against "utopia". Talk about hubris.
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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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Mar 19, 2019 - 12:31am PT
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New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern's address to Parliament:
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/19-03-2019/we-cannot-know-your-grief-but-we-can-walk-with-you-at-every-stage/
Part of her remarks:
The 15th of March will now forever be a day etched in our collective memories. On a quiet Friday afternoon a man stormed into a place of peaceful worship and took away the lives of 50 people.
That quiet Friday afternoon has become our darkest of days.
But for the families, it was more than that. It was the day that the simple act of prayer – of practising their Muslim faith and religion – led to the loss of their loved ones lives.
Those loved ones, were brothers, daughters, fathers and children.
They were New Zealanders. They are us.
And because they are us, we, as a nation, we mourn them.
We feel a huge duty of care to them. And we have so much we feel the need to say and to do.
One of the roles I never anticipated having, and hoped never to have, is to voice the grief of a nation.
At this time, it has been second only to securing the care of those affected, and the safety of everyone.
And in this role, I wanted to speak directly to the families. We cannot know your grief, but we can walk with you at every stage. We can. And we will, surround you with aroha, manaakitanga and all that makes us, us. Our hearts are heavy but our spirit is strong.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Mar 19, 2019 - 06:34am PT
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The United Nations Commission on Human Rights, considers the recanting of a person's religion a human right legally protected by the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights:
The Committee observes that the freedom to 'have or to adopt' a religion or belief necessarily entails the freedom to choose a religion or belief, including the right to replace one's current religion or belief with another or to adopt atheistic views ... Article 18.2[12] bars coercion that would impair the right to have or adopt a religion or belief, including the use of threat of physical force or penal sanctions to compel believers or non-believers to adhere to their religious beliefs and congregations, to recant their religion or belief or to convert.[13]
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Mar 19, 2019 - 06:42am PT
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Saw a Dave Attenborough doco.
They reasoned that the planet could support 15 Billion if we all lived like most sub-continent Indians.
That the planet could support 1.5 Billion if we all lived like Americans.
Saving the planet seems like a noble idea. I think the planet will be somewhat fine. Saving our species looks unlikely.
Read a book by Paul Ehrlich...
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atmourad
climber
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Mar 19, 2019 - 11:07am PT
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https://www.instagram.com/khaledbeydoun/
This law professor has taken it upon himself to tell the stories about the victims of this tragedy. He has been sharing profiles of all the victims (with family permission) on his instagram. It is absolutely heartwrenching to read some of them, but i appreciate the attempt to flip the script from us hearing about how the shooter was bullied, had mental issues, etc.
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Ballo
Trad climber
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Mar 19, 2019 - 11:30am PT
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So, I guess none of us care about Nigerians. OK
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