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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Mar 15, 2019 - 07:52pm PT
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The history of the United States is not only steeped in, it is defined by genocide and violence.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Mar 15, 2019 - 07:56pm PT
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I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don’t play it tougher. Okay? I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad.
WTF does this even mean? This guy is such a POS.
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Avery
climber
New Zealand
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 15, 2019 - 08:25pm PT
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No utterly cynical and meaningless “our thoughts and prayers are with you” response from the NZ Prime Minister.
Your not quite right there Jim. The PM has mentioned “our thoughts and prayers are with you”. However, I'm sure she was only being utterly cynical and meaningless
Not everyone who utters those words are insincere. I'd sooner have them than not.
The only one being 'utterly cynical and meaningless" is you
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Avery
climber
New Zealand
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 15, 2019 - 08:35pm PT
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Nicely put, MMCC
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dh
climber
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Mar 15, 2019 - 10:10pm PT
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Gutted, Avery.
We lived in CHCH in 2017 and our kids went to schools not far from the mosque. We will be there again for 4 months later this year. We hope the city can heal. What a wonderful place full of wonderful people.
Dave.
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Trump
climber
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Mar 16, 2019 - 10:14am PT
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I’m really sorry. This sucks. But there are lots of good people fighting against this racist bullsh#t.
Read the manifesto if you want some firsthand understanding of the nonsense that goes on in other people’s minds and how that nonsense gets there.
Or don’t.
Let other people who have read it translate it for you, and then believe that they’re telling you the truth about it. Maybe read the Wikipedia translation of it or the New York Times translation or the CNN translation or the Breitbart translation or the 8chan translation, and believe what they tell you, believe that they’re telling you the truth, believe that they haven’t biased reality in order to bias your understanding.
Or just read it and form your own beliefs. It’s always up to us how we want to form our own beliefs, and we often trust other people to do it for us.
Other people do that too - they just trust different people. And now Trump is our president while we dig ourselves deeper into our gerrymandered partisan informational divide. If we don’t want to contribute to that, then don’t.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 16, 2019 - 10:34am PT
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Lockdown?
In the old days the locals would come out with their gun blazing and kill the m'fuker perpetrators on the spot ....
lol
Nowadays they make you hide under your desk .......
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Mar 16, 2019 - 11:06am PT
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hey there say, Avery...
as to this quote of yours:
Not everyone who utters those words are insincere. I'd sooner have them than not.
thank you for noting that...
sometimes, it is the only that a human, can let another one, or,
group of folks know, that 'even if we can't do anything' we DO
have this option to give up our time, hours, if needs be, to
pray--
for whatever kind of 'higher up' help, can come...
we do not understand why it was 'not there' during the
terrible hate, but, we can still pray for those folks...
true-story, elsewhere, in usa:
there is a young teen, whose body was burned 95 + and, was
expected to die...
she is still in the hospital, a year later...
nothing we can do to heal or help her get well...
however, prayers for all over the USA, have made her
mom 'able to hang in there' through all this...
it MEANS to world to her, she has stated OVER and over:
just to hear that
'strangers' are actually taking time to do this,
and-- to let her know...
yes, it can mean something... and more so-- we many never know:
but, it can do something, unseen, if not know, later...
the girl has improved and is starting to really heal...
skin grafts are growing better...
she can sometimes eat better...
she might be able to walk, after more months of therapy...
after a whole year...
though there is still fear of infections...
she doesn't want to just die-- which grabbed her a few times...
she loves her family and wants to go home...
how DO folks get through tragedy... ??
like this shooting, fires... earthquakes, ?? anything...
we do not know...
but-- it takes MANY VOICES... many hands...
whatever little 'pittance' any human can give...
it is better to give-- than not...
hope to see you in an email avery...
do you still have it... or, try facebook...
prayers for your country and ours...
and others, the world-through...
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Mar 16, 2019 - 11:40am PT
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In the old days the locals would come out with their gun blazing and kill the m'fuker perpetrators on the spot .... After the Barcelona attacks a couple years ago, the perps were all hunted down and killed by police within a few days. No drama, no trials, no manifesto, no in depth studies on why, no BS, just killed them all off and done.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Mar 16, 2019 - 04:00pm PT
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It's sad how these tragedies bring out the idiots and assh0les... and some who are both.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Mar 16, 2019 - 04:19pm PT
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Mr Aziz That's a pretty bad-ass story.
There's a video interview with a few more details made clear that's worth watching. The gunman saw Aziz had a gun - and when he tossed it through the window of the car, the gunman probably thought it was a bullet that had shattered the glass - and that was the end of the gunman's shooting spree - he took off.
Some math suggests this guy lived in Kabul until he was 20-ish, or about the time of the height of the Taliban.
Something tells me he's probably seen worse guys than this wonderbread gunman.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Mar 16, 2019 - 04:34pm PT
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"The shootings occurred at Linwood Mosque and Al Noor Mosque around the time of Friday prayers. The latter is where the vast majority of people were killed. According to the New Zealand Herald, the attacker or attackers left the Linwood Mosque after one Friday prayer goer returned fire with a rifle or shotgun. In addition to the 49 dead, at least 48 patients were being treated for gunshot wounds at a local hospital, Canterbury District Health Board Chief Executive David Meates said in a statement."
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Treezypoof
Trad climber
Cyberia
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Mar 16, 2019 - 05:33pm PT
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Pay no mind to Werner, he's not being genuine.
He's just trolling on a thread about 50 innocent lives being taken. Because that's what grown men do now.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Mar 16, 2019 - 05:59pm PT
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Yeah ,right.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Mar 16, 2019 - 06:30pm PT
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I was born in Christchurch at Lewisham Private Hospital. I pretty much grew up in the States but returned to NZ to get my Wine Science degree. I emailed relatives in NZ and apologized for the part America has played in this horrible event; what has been happening here in America has echoed around the world and has had repercussions, making hate and violence acceptable to too many. Trump is driving this.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 16, 2019 - 06:39pm PT
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Wow, I guess I'm working on my Vodka Science Degree.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Mar 16, 2019 - 06:55pm PT
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Hopefully, the name of the man seen (in the shooter's video) unsuccessfully rushing the gunman while being directly shot at with a high caliber weapon will come to light. I got the impression he was trying to slip behind the gunman and escape via the room's only exit, then the gunman turned around and they collided.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 16, 2019 - 08:40pm PT
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OK, this was a horrible thing but malaria kills a child every 30 seconds.
Malaria is more preventable than violence.
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Mar 16, 2019 - 09:03pm PT
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Neverhadone:
Hopefully, the name of the man seen (in the shooter's video) unsuccessfully rushing the gunman while being directly shot at with a high caliber weapon will come to light. Neverhadone, where did you see this video?
I have a perception that Facebook etc. already took it down.
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Mar 16, 2019 - 09:05pm PT
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Winemaker:
I emailed relatives in NZ and apologized for the part America has played in this horrible event; what has been happening here in America has echoed around the world and has had repercussions, making hate and violence acceptable to too many. Trump is driving this. Winemaker, how do you know that this guy was inspired by the US rather than by Sweden?
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