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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Mar 15, 2019 - 11:31am PT
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You can download the manifesto or his cowardly 10+ minute rampage from anywhere now with a quick search...
I hear the murderer of unarmed men, women, and kids is still alive, that's too bad.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Mar 15, 2019 - 11:44am PT
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I think there is value in reading the manifesto.
For ordinary people, it is impossible to conceive of such hate and vile thinking.
Reading the Unabomber's manifesto was enlightening to me. Not in that I learned anything from him, but could further appreciate the extremes of thinking that we are not ordinarily exposed to. I was quite astonished at how significant parts of his writing were based in nature worship, which I would have thought would have been the farthest thing possible from his cause.
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formerclimber
Boulder climber
CA
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Mar 15, 2019 - 12:02pm PT
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What's wrong with Unabomber manifesto??
He was crazy to actually bomb Computer Scientists...should have been protesting, publishing and campaigning instead, but he got everything else right in his writings. His ideas will only prove themselves right over time, more and more with every decade. His view of technological "progress" and modern society was right on.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Mar 15, 2019 - 12:12pm PT
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I think there is value in reading the manifesto.
I agree... Rather than attempting to bury these cowardly acts (which is impossible these days), there is definitely value in analysis of the data that remains. Instead of letting the imagination and propaganda run wild to twist these evil acts into valor, hold out the actual behavior in the bright sunlight to wither.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Mar 15, 2019 - 01:19pm PT
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I think there is value in reading the manifesto.
I think there would be more value in a swift and public execution - streamed live on Facebook.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Mar 15, 2019 - 02:50pm PT
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Trump says white nationalism is not a rising threat. He is correct, of course, it isn't to his agenda.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 15, 2019 - 02:59pm PT
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Better to let the scum rot in darkness, than make 'martyrs' of them
If that were only so. Three hots and a cot and cable is far from rotting.
That POS Breivik had a two room suite the last I saw!
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cragnshag
Social climber
Gilroy
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Mar 15, 2019 - 03:10pm PT
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Yesterday, a mentally ill man couldn't get his manifesto published.
Today, all the soft heads in the world will read it with great interest.
Just because you CAN read it, doesn't mean you should. It only encourages the next whacko who thinks he's been wronged and wants the world to hear his grievances.
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Bale
Mountain climber
UT
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Mar 15, 2019 - 03:54pm PT
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Sorry Avery.
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johntp
Trad climber
Punter
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Mar 15, 2019 - 04:02pm PT
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A freaking shame. Many thoughts, can't put them into words other than to say my heart goes out to the Muslim community.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 15, 2019 - 05:21pm PT
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Very sad.
Interestingly, Utah is the only state where no mosque has (yet) been vandalized.
That said, when in towns like LaVerkin and Virgin you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a bigoted white nationalist who believes in the ZOG.
EDIT
A friend moved to NZ and started a business importing American assault style rifles. Likely NZ will go the way of Oz and his business will be moved.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Mar 15, 2019 - 06:21pm PT
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So I understand that this Australian man living in New Zealand hated immigrants?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Mar 15, 2019 - 06:31pm PT
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Sounds to me like he was from the internet.
Rip to those that lost everything.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Mar 15, 2019 - 07:01pm PT
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That video is indeed easy to find and it is disgusting - the most cowardly thing I’ve ever seen in my life.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 15, 2019 - 07:05pm PT
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International fallout from Trump’s dangerous and irresponsible rhetoric...words do matter.I did two slide shows in Christchurch last December. NZ is a beautiful country with a citizenry that, on the whole, seemed to me more enlightened about the world and better educated than the average American.
Unfortunately, American culture is pervasive and when our “leader” routinely preaches racist and anti immigrant rhetoric the effects rebound.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 15, 2019 - 07:26pm PT
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No utterly cynical and meaningless “our thoughts and prayers are with you” response from the NZ Prime Minister.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Mar 15, 2019 - 07:36pm PT
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Words mean little when trying to comprehend the wanton slaughter of fellow human beings. This tragedy has been repeating itself throughout our evolution. We practice genocide . . . as a species we have yet to transcend our violent nature, perhaps we never will.
Thinking of you Avery.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 15, 2019 - 07:37pm PT
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Neverhadone: The only responsible party for the heinous act is the person pulling the trigger.
Seriously? We've elected a sociopathic, white-nationalist traitor to the presidency who has been deliberately fanning the flames of xenophobia, hate, and violence across the globe and his message isn't lost on guys like this one. In fact, they are aimed directly at folks like this as can be seen in his threats of violence from his supporters just yesterday:
Trump Again Threatens Violence If Democrats Don’t Support Him
I mean, like wtf dude?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 15, 2019 - 07:41pm PT
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RobertL: ^^^ New Zealand's history is steeped in violence.
Really? You're going there?
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