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ecdh

climber

the east

Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 15, 2019 - 12:59pm PT

anyone else seen this? some confronting stuff, no less some of the footage, especially as its colorized. among all the other crazy stuff, the way the atomic bomb is woven into the narrative is something else.

i cant link it but just takes a google.

ionlyski

Trad climber

Polebridge, Montana

Jan 15, 2019 - 01:08pm PT

Will take a look when I have time as it looks to be a long video.

Contrary to the scare, the germans were never even close to developing the bomb. Hitler didn't understand the process and didn't back it or have the means to back something, that in the end took the might of the Manhattan Project to develop and the US was the only possible candidate.

Thanks for the heads up.

Arne

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Jan 15, 2019 - 01:15pm PT

Luckily Hitler didn’t understand much. He ordered the Wehrmacht to try and turn the ME-262
into a bomber. LOL
He ordered the Navy to build battleships at the expense of subs. LOL
Best of all he attacked Russia. He thought he was better than Napoleon.

ecdh

climber

the east

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 15, 2019 - 01:18pm PT

yeah its 45mins and a few episodes tho ive just watched the first one.
the bomb stuff is to do with truman and stalin dividing up europe, at least as its described in this show.

aside from the nasty stuff, theres some incredible footage.

ionlyski

Trad climber

Polebridge, Montana

Jan 15, 2019 - 02:13pm PT

I see that now. I got sucked in a little even though I have much to do. Incredible footage already in the first few minutes.

paul roehl

Boulder climber

california

Jan 15, 2019 - 04:20pm PT

ecdh

climber

the east

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 15, 2019 - 04:44pm PT

ionlyski, be interested to hear your opinions. im not a ww2 type but do get into weird interim phases of conflicts and the politics of population movements, so any reference that gives perspective appreciated.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Jan 15, 2019 - 04:54pm PT

I don’t watch vids. Does yours address the theory that Heisenberg subtly sabotaged their
nuke program? It’s not a tin foil hat theory - some compelling arguments. Thing is that
even without his sabotage Germany had nowhere near enough money and resources invested
in it. If Heisenberg had been on board and they had gone all in earlier then things coulda
been way different.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Jan 15, 2019 - 04:57pm PT

Saw it.

Yeah, Stalin knew we had the bomb right after the New Mexico test.

We used it on the Japanese in part to back him off. (The Russians had a forty year old score to settle.)

Funny how great allies like Stalin and Mao quickly became the new enemy.

ecdh

climber

the east

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 15, 2019 - 05:11pm PT

Toker eruditely nailed it. obviously theres way more to the bomb story, and its not the main theme of the doco at all, but yeah; truman flipped off stalin with it.
bombing japan too would have worked for stalin.

tense times. the period the doco concerns itself with is only a few months, the immediate period after germanys defeat and before japans surrender when europe was caught up in both massive celebration and immense human movement. not everyone was dancing in the streets, bad sh#t was still going on, the big players were like vultures to a carcass.
some of the images are really full on.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Jan 15, 2019 - 05:38pm PT

Yeah, crazy times.

Huge problems with repatriation, and in some places revenge was institutionalized.

Some of my mom's friends told me stories.

sween345

climber

back east

Jan 15, 2019 - 06:55pm PT

Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber

moving thru

Jan 15, 2019 - 06:57pm PT

I have heard personally so many stories....from a military couple living in the hills of Hawaii when the bombing started on December 7th to women that lived thru the horror and tumult of the Eastern European fighting during the breakup of Yugoslavia.

Through it all the common thread is people. Most absolutely don't want the hate, the fight, the killing. Regular people want to live, take care of their families, work and carry on.

I'm at a loss for words at those few that have destroyed the lives of so many.

Hubbard

climber

San Diego

Jan 15, 2019 - 09:06pm PT

In defense of American culture: Imagine if the United States was a true evil empire as some today would have you believe. We had the bomb in 1945. Russia did not achieve this milestone until 1950. That is five years of total American power. If we were evil at heart we would have gone on a five year nuclear reign of terror and destroyed the industrial structure of all dissenting nations by blowing up one entire city at a time. We would be ruling the world to this day with our massive industrial structure still intact. Instead, we rebuilt our mortal enemies of Japan and Germany and then allowed the Russians to build their own bomb, followed by the Chinese, and here we are today in a tense standoff. Take note that the Korean war was launched by North Korea, a Russian protectorate, in 1950...as soon as the Russians achieved Nuclear status.

ionlyski

Trad climber

Polebridge, Montana

Jan 15, 2019 - 10:05pm PT

Hubbard,

Read up on Colonel Curtis LeMay. Real nice guy. Wanted to do exactly as you hypothesis; continue warfare until Russia was obliterated after he firebombed so many cities in Japan we had a real hard time finding any cities left, to test the new bombs out on.

Arne

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber

Pomfert VT

Jan 16, 2019 - 03:03am PT

had we not won the war lemay would have been hung for war crimes. We obviously meant well in WW11 and in the aftermath. We could simply have used the threat of nuclear power to further advance our global position. instead we promoted NATO and tried to instigate world stability. then of course we completely dropped the ball with nam and Cuba.

ionlyski

Trad climber

Polebridge, Montana

Jan 16, 2019 - 06:04am PT

EDCH-Compared to many here I am merely a hack at best when it comes to WWII history. Years ago, read everything I could get my hands on, mostly concerning the Third Reich and many of their movers and shakers, including the books written by various military figures, usually opposed to Hitler and his policies. Then I got into Stalin but such a weird civilization for so many years hard to relate to all those dry but cold Politburo tragic agenda, complete with all the vodka.

Nowadays I find local history to be the most compelling and relevant.

Watched the whole video and it was good; I'm impressed, not going in much at all normally for the Discovery and History channels, in fact never had a television in my life. Thanks for posting.

Arne

John M

climber

Jan 16, 2019 - 08:01am PT

Man.. I had such a visceral response to that video and gained a different perspective on the danger of Stalin right after the war. I can see another reason that Truman felt the need to drop the bomb.

As for the video. I have only watched the first part, but boy does it ever drive home the destructiveness and tragedy of war. I knew that this war was terrible, but I had not really considered the aftermath. To think that thousands of people who were held in concentration camps died after the war because of things like the food being too rich is such a tragedy. And then thinking about the children who lost parents and lived in the streets. Its heart wrenching.

Thanks for posting this. I hadn't heard about it. I believe every school age child should see this video to help drive home the massive destruction and terrible pain that war can bring. We need to remember the past in order to help us not repeat it. Impactful videos like this can be part of helping people remember.

Mercy..