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Reilly
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The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 16, 2019 - 08:40am PT
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I hadn't heard about it.
So what is this ‘it’? As I said, I don’t do vids unless they’re of cats or dogs. And I quit watching
the History Channel a long time ago - really watered down stuff. If this vid is 45 minutes then
somebody should be able to summarize his thesis in three sentences, max. War is hell?
There’s a novel one! And as far as The Man Of Steel knowing about the Manhatten Proj,
he knew long before the White Sands test blast.
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John M
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Jan 16, 2019 - 09:43am PT
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The first part is mostly a visual Reilly. A reminder. Its colorized film of the aftermath along some explanation of the things people went through and the times. I haven't watched the second part.
You see people celebrating the end of the war. People just out of concentration camps. There is film of the war trials. the signing of the armistice. Video of Truman and Stalin. things like that. All things you have probably seen short black and white clips of but put together is more impactful for those who need to be reminded of what war can bring.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jan 16, 2019 - 09:49am PT
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Anybody listen the to the 'Hardcore History' podcasts by Dan Carlin?
I just started about a month ago....very dense listening and thinking. He's really into war, though- really gets into the strategies involved.
My most recent listen is 'Blueprint for Armageddon', about WWI & WWII.
Thoughts?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 16, 2019 - 10:11am PT
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Thank you, John, glad I didn’t waste my time.
Anybody really interested in WWII should read Thunder On The Dnepr by Bryan Fugate
and Lev Dvoretsky. Its thesis is that Stalin played Hitler and the Abwehr for the fools they
were by sacrificing his forward shell armies and sucking the Panzers into the killing fields,
as it were. This book is so important it merited an internal review at the CIA! The review was
written in 1984 but only released for public consumption in 2008.
Here is that review. Yer welcome.
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP86M00886R001100080007-8.pdf
Goodreads review:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1672843.Thunder_on_Dnepr
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jan 16, 2019 - 10:23am PT
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From Reilly's link:
A strategy still very much in use over their political opponents...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 16, 2019 - 10:33am PT
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He didn't know it worked until after the White Sands test.
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
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Jan 16, 2019 - 11:00am PT
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This will draw anger from some but I truly believe every country has their own side to tell especially about war times. Yes including Germany Japan and Russia. Even this movie has an agenda too. We all do.
Arne
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 16, 2019 - 11:06am PT
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Well, TV, WE didn’t know it worked either! Uncle Joe certainly knew we were doing it.
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Bruce Morris
Trad climber
Soulsbyville, California
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Jan 16, 2019 - 12:40pm PT
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Uncle Joe knew we were doing it because German submarines were positioned next to the Transatlantic cable listening in on messages from the Russian embassy in Washington DC to the Russian embassy in London. Those messages contained information on the state of the Los Alamos Project provided to his Soviet handlers by Klaus Fuchs, the Russian spy inside Los Alamos. Then, not only did the Russians know about how far we were along with the bomb but the Germans did as well. Of course, based on their last intercepts in March 1945, the Germans told the Japanese that we didn't have enough fissile material yet to construct a bomb. Thus, they were lulled into a false sense of security before Hiroshima. But where did the additional fissile material come from? Probably Germany since they had plenty of Uranium but not the methodology necessary to turn it into weapons grade uranium. Nobody knows exactly where we got the extra uranium. This brings up the whole question of whether the Germans had a second bomb project that was under SS control somewhere in the occupied territories in the East? Still many unanswered question in that area.
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ecdh
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the east
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 16, 2019 - 01:45pm PT
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ionlyski, yes agree - all news is propaganda and twains uninformed/misinformed thing is the base line.
after a career in and around warzones i find the 'shoulder' of war interesting, the bits left out, no less as many of todays conflicts are uninterrupted continuations of the immediate defeat of germany and to a lesser degree, japans surrender.
what After Hitler doesnt include is interesting too, it cant cover everything, and only hints at the middle east, balkans and asia minor.
what really interests me is that so much was actually recorded at all the. the sequences showing freed jewish prisoners identifying nazis trying to escape in disguise - and what happened next - is amazing.
as pointed out above, the footage of the orphans and lost children is heart breaking.
wars dont actually end, they just get back burnered.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 16, 2019 - 03:16pm PT
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For all their horror, wars have prompted the greatest advances in technology,....
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WBraun
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Jan 16, 2019 - 04:01pm PT
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wars have prompted the greatest advances in technology
Yeah, you st00pid people love to eat nuts and bolts .....
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Hubbard
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San Diego
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Jan 16, 2019 - 04:36pm PT
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Yes Arne, I understand about Curtis LeMey. Vastly more people were killed by his fire-bombing campaign than by the two nuclear bombs.
Macarthur was promoting a nuclear strike on China in 1951 and this led to his being fired by Truman. Truman was an artillery officer way back in World War One and had his own viewpoint on how to proceed.
It is notable that World War One was by and large fought only by soldiers on the front lines in the trenches. Attacks on civilian targets were not the norm. Civilians suffered indirectly by the influenza outbreak of 1917.
By contrast World War Two devolved into a war of destruction of the opponents industrial base along with the standard battles between armies in the field and these field armies were highly mobile using trucks and tanks and ships and planes. Civilians in this war were in the line of direct fire in their home cities.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 16, 2019 - 04:48pm PT
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Far more people died of the flu during WWI than from the actual warfare of WWI AND WWII COMBINED!
The next pandemic could be the end of mankind because in 1918 there were not 13 million people
flying around the world EVERY DAY!
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Hubbard
climber
San Diego
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Jan 16, 2019 - 05:36pm PT
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i agree Rielly. The chance of a gnarly world wide flu strain that is un- treatable and leads to death seems a real possibility. I am always amazed that it hasn't happened. We must be doing something right.
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WBraun
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Jan 16, 2019 - 05:42pm PT
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We must be doing something right.
You people have never started yet .....
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 16, 2019 - 05:46pm PT
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Ha! Hubbard, epidemiologists would disagree with you to the extent that what they’re doing is
best practice which only works if the flu cooperates by not mutating a Terminator strain. Then
there are the roughly 35 other viruses they’ve identified as most likely to mutate a Terminator.
It ain’t a matter of if. I just hope the asteroid gets us first.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jan 16, 2019 - 07:08pm PT
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That was big amazing documentary - great recommendation.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jan 16, 2019 - 07:49pm PT
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Hubbard! I enjoy your posts, but I wish to add a little detail to this statement of yours:
World War One was by and large fought only by soldiers on the front lines in the trenches. Attacks on civilian targets were not the norm.
Battleground France suffered a higher % of war deaths than her allies. France 4.3% & Great Britian had about 2% war dead.
Serbia suffered horribly with between 16.7% & 27.8% war dead.
Romania had 8%
And the Ottoman Empire, which died during the war, to be reborn as Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc, suffered 14% war dead.
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Hubbard
climber
San Diego
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Jan 16, 2019 - 07:55pm PT
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It is going to be a vicious bird flu and it is going to start in ducks and infect all humans. When you get this flu, as you are breathing your last breath you will realize then and only then that you were a fool to ever believe in anything and instead should have been a nihilist and just told everyone else how dumb they were. It all would have been so much easier than reading those books and actually trying to think. Yes, this is how it will end, but in the meantime...
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