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Hubbard

climber

San Diego

Jan 17, 2019 - 10:26am PT

Thank you Fritz. I was thinking about the Germans, French, British, Russians, Austrians and Italians. The war down in Turkey was almost a different war. The Turks used the cover of the main war between the Western powers to unleash their simmering hatred of the Armenians, knowing that the rest of the world was too busy to notice or do anything to stop them. Turkey targeted civilians in a big way in an ethnic cleansing campaign that qualifies by all measures as a genocide. Hitler noticed and said years later to justify his own genocide, "After all, who remembers the Armenians."

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber

Pomfert VT

Jan 18, 2019 - 03:40am PT

there is no (other side of the story) when it comes to the 3rd reich that I am willing to consider. the systematic murdering of 6 million jews based completely on their last name is completely unforgiveable. for the doubters out there The germans were meticulous record keepers. Its all documented. My father along with thousands of other GI's helped liberate those camps. they saw the horror first hand. they took pictures. it really did happen. The german people allowed it to happen and went along on the ride for personal gain. Oh the Goldschmitchs had to move away but the govt says we can have their house now.... The Swiss got rich over the whole thing. My dad told me that the german civilians pretended to not know anything about it even though you could smell the deathcomming from the camp just outside of town.. For those who don't like to read the docu drama Winds Of War is actually very good and quite accurate account.

ecdh

climber

the east

Topic Author's Reply - Jan 18, 2019 - 11:11am PT

one of the apparent testimonies at nuremburg detailed in After Hitler is how one day people living near a camp noticed an unusual amount of noise. apparently the gas supply had run out so they just pushed people live into the furnaces, and that had been a childrens extermination day.

Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber

Out Of Bed

Jan 27, 2019 - 08:10am PT

seeing that the reintroduction of the capital letter "h" I take it that it is only a typo in the thread title.

My estrangement from my family has me at a loss (for now) as to the re-writing of the history of the removal of jews from the hillside and lake towns of Austria & all along the Baltic-Adriatic Corridor...
In short, when after the war survivors tried to return they were strongly rebuffed. Period!
The pervasive intent was to hold the properties, this is how the likes of the Shawrtzenagers came to be residents . . & sending anyone with claims to land & homes, generational family holdings, to jail for trespassing.
I read here the talk of the fact that many starved to death after the war "because their stomachs could not digest the rich food" you don't call that what it was...While there was a scarcity of fresh food, after the war, it was a regular thing to withhold it from the most in need. (god-forbid a surviving/returning jewish girl became pregnant during this era)
Then too, the forcing of baked goods & sweets; high sugar content canned foods, often offered as a way the guilty populace tried to moderate/assuage that guilt, "Here, eat this, We baked this for you" Maybe or not? knowing it would lead to diabetes and all the accompanying ills....

I'LL put this here, too.

Great Escape: The Untold Story (WW2 POW Documentary) | Timeline

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Edit to add;
I think you are on to something , capseeboy

. . . .
There's a strange analogy ((I think DANGEROUS/SAD))
I may be imagining
(* no, your are being objectively observant; it is really happening)
between the German citizens and Americans today. Are we just sitting back watching IT happen..... or am I just*paranoid?

I can't handle the truth. Insults greatly appreciated. Carry on.

I thought his post was full weight & worthy? at least, Then the next 2 posts , what they add to the observations went right over my head...

capseeboy

Social climber

portland, oregon

Jan 27, 2019 - 09:36am PT

I get to consider new stuff to me when I take a look at a thread I haven't looked at before.

I never considered the Bomb being used to back Stalin off.

I had read the flue statistic thing before, blows my mind on review.

The vicious duck flue fly over had me rolling. No malice intended of course.

There's a strange analogy I may be imagining between the German citizens of WWII and Americans today. Are we just sitting back watching IT happen or am I just paranoid?

I can't handle the truth. Insults greatly appreciated. Carry on.

mouse from merced

Trad climber

The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.

Jan 27, 2019 - 09:46am PT

This crop of American nationalists don't have the centuries-old Jewish scapegoat, capseeboy, that the Germans had.

They don't have nearly the "burdens" that the brown-shirt reactionaries thought that they had.

If I wanted to insult anyone, I'd do it on the Friday Night Drinking While Posting thread.😃

I heard yesterday about a woman who had a Hitler mustache on her puss. I laffed and laffed.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Jan 27, 2019 - 09:48am PT

capsee, you do know you live in ground zero of North America’s most widespread and dangerous measles epidemic? And it is due to all yer toque clad Voodoo noshing holier-than-thou anti-vaccine vegan cretins. ERs in Portland now have signs up telling the cretins to leave immediately before they infect more innocents. It is one of the most infectious diseases and it can be deadly for adults or otherwise compromised people.

capseeboy

Social climber

portland, oregon

Jan 27, 2019 - 11:19am PT

This crop of American nationalists don't have the centuries-old Jewish scapegoat, capseeboy, that the Germans had.

Would it be inaccurate to say that there are American nationalists on both sides of the fence?

It seems like divisive cannibalism has replaced the need for a singular scapegoat.

Anymore it seems like voting is for the lessor of two evils, but Clinton really ruined a lot of peoples lives with the commodities futures modernization act.

I just don't see the lesser of two evils anymore. The choices seem fake and voting seems to be a sham.

Sorry if I'm ruining the thread. I won't post on it if you don't want.

Thanks.

mouse from merced

Trad climber

The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.

Jan 27, 2019 - 11:23am PT

Sorry if I'm ruining the thread. I won't post on it if you don't want.

*belly laugh*

capseeboy

Social climber

portland, oregon

Jan 27, 2019 - 12:41pm PT

capsee, you do know you live in ground zero of North America’s most widespread and dangerous measles epidemic?

I did not know that. I lived there for most of the last thirty years and in 1961. Sorry for the now fake address but I am now a no where man with no clue.

The developers and investment folks took over in the last few years after the last bubble burst. Many reasons for moving on but the skyrocketing prices and fixed income pushed me out for the better. Like a lot of places, it was good while it lasted.

During the black plague people cloistered themselves. I'm kind of a loner so I am less exposed to potential bugs. Health is a good reason to stay away from people. LOL.