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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Mar 10, 2019 - 06:46pm PT
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Jim Brennan:
Canada and the USA have a mutually binding treaty that compels each nation to prosecute domestic legal extradition proceedings for individuals charged with a crime in either nation's jurisdiction.
Jim Brennan, I am not sure that you understand that from formal point of view, Meng Wanzhou has not violated any US law (on US territory) or international law (outside US).
You also may not be aware that US law is not applicable outside US (again, from theoretical point of view of international law).
It means that formally, extradition request for violation of US sanctions against Iran was politically motivated and could have been rejected.
I understand that US has largest military and can do whatever they want, but this doesn't make such behavior legal.
Again, Trudeau's decision was politically motivated and not the smartest one.
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Mar 10, 2019 - 08:06pm PT
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Jim Brennan:
If you're wanted in the USA and find yourself in Canada, you are exposed to being extradited to the USA. Jim Brennan, I agree with you.
Many countries are willing to comply with US extradition requests because US has the largest military and economy and can punish them in case of non-compliance.
So Canada should also accommodate all legal and illegal US extradition requests with just a few exceptions. Meng Wanzhou was such exception.
The only real way to dispute this is if the individual has a refugee claim against the nation demanding their extradition. No, it's not the only exception.
1. Typically such extradition agreements have a clause preventing extradition in case it's politically motivated.
2. You have also described another exception yourself:
Jim Brennan:
Canada and the USA have a mutually binding treaty that compels each nation to prosecute domestic legal extradition proceedings for individuals charged with a crime in either nation's jurisdiction.
Violation of anti-Iran US sanctions that happened outside US territory is neither domestic nor in US jurisdiction.
Again, my main point is that Trudeau should have avoided Meng Wanzhou's arrival to Canadian territory altogether.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Mar 10, 2019 - 08:46pm PT
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My only complaint about Canadian culture is how expensive the beer has become. I recall they were charging about $12/six pack in Canmore back in 2012. WTF? Is that still the case? Different prices in different regions? I'd become a home brewer at those rates. Ugh. Love the Great White North even so.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Mar 10, 2019 - 08:54pm PT
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My only complaint about Canadian culture is how expensive the beer has become. I recall they were charging about $12/six pack in Canmore back in 2012. WTF? Is that still the case? Different prices in different regions? I'd become a home brewer at those rates. Ugh. Love the Great White North even so.
I don't know sh#t about Trudeau or extradition, or hockey, or...
...but I do know about beer.
After 20 years working in Seattle (arguably the beer ceapital of the universe), I moved back to Canada late last year. And not to Vancouver, but to a tiny city on the coast well north of Vancouver. And yes, I was worried about the price and availability of good beer. But, sometime in the last ten years, the pendulum has swung, and good beer is far cheaper here in Powell River than in Seattle.
True, the selection isn't as wide, but there is plenty to choose from, and one of my favorite Belgian beers sells here for just over a third the Seattle price.
Cheers!
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Mar 10, 2019 - 09:00pm PT
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Wow, Ghost, thanks! It's now safe to travel north again. Time to dust off my passport card.
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hamie
Social climber
Thekoots
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Mar 11, 2019 - 11:05am PT
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I'm with Ghost on this one. As far back as I can remember, the first thing which we would do on driving into the US would be to stop at a gas station and stock up on cheap gas and cheap beer----a combination which we found a little perplexing. Returning to Canada we would always bring back 24 bottles/cans, duty free. Last week I drove back from Spokane with zero beers, the first time in decades. US beer is now equally or more expensive than Canadian brews.
So much for the question of price....let's NOT get into a discussion of taste, selection, strength etc!!
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Ben Harland
Gym climber
Kenora, ON
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Mar 11, 2019 - 11:59am PT
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I know this isn't quite what you guys are talking about, but you can still buy 30 PBR's for $16.50 in Michigan -- the cheapest I dare to go in Ontario is $35.50 for a case of Maclays. So I still bring my cube back across the border with me. I'm sure to offer to pay the duty on the extra six, but haven't been taken up on it yet.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Mar 11, 2019 - 12:09pm PT
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True, the selection isn't as wide, but there is plenty to choose from, and one of my favorite Belgian beers sells here for just over a third the Seattle price.
Vancouver wouldn’t know a really hoppy beer if it bit them.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Mar 11, 2019 - 12:24pm PT
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When I'd go to Nelson, I'd get avocados and maple syrup to bring back. If I remember correctly, avos were something like $.50 up there and $2 here. As far as culture goes, I always loved getting the hell outa N. ID and cruising into the lovely and welcoming Eastside of Kootenay lake.
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Mar 11, 2019 - 07:35pm PT
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Ghost:
... good beer is far cheaper here in Powell River than in Seattle.
... one of my favorite Belgian beers sells here for just over a third the Seattle price. Ghost, I have a suspicion that you are Putin's/Trudeau's troll and that the only goal of your inflammatory post was to sow discord and undermine American democracy.
Could you please share a price of your favorite Belgian beer in Seattle and in Powell River?
Could you please also share the name of this Belgian beer.
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hamie
Social climber
Thekoots
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Mar 11, 2019 - 09:31pm PT
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Mar 12, 2019 - 04:08am PT
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I prefer Belgian white.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Mar 12, 2019 - 07:25am PT
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I'm with Jim B. Remarkable beer in any province or state.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Mar 12, 2019 - 07:39am PT
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So what IS the price of a middle of the road Canadian and/or other country's sixer? In Bishop, I'm getting decent brews (Beck's, LongBoards, etc.) for about $12/twelve pack or approx. $1/bottle. How does Kanuckistan compare?
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Mar 12, 2019 - 09:29am PT
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Canadian...culture. Alliterative but antithetical. I gotta agree. Beautiful country. Pretty nice people. No noticeable culture. Please don't tell me that Leonard Cohen counts.
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Oplopanax
Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
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Mar 12, 2019 - 09:45am PT
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So what IS the price of a middle of the road Canadian and/or other country's sixer? In Bishop, I'm getting decent brews (Beck's, LongBoards, etc.) for about $12/twelve pack or approx. $1/bottle. How does Kanuckistan compare?
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$12 US is like $16 Canadian.
Check some prices here
http://www.bcliquorstores.com/product-catalogue?category=beer
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Oplopanax
Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
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Mar 12, 2019 - 09:53am PT
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I can get a 2L growler fill for $12 to $16 at a brewery. Haven't bought much bottled beer in the last 5 years.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Mar 12, 2019 - 10:00am PT
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Ghost, I have a suspicion that you are Putin's/Trudeau's troll and that the only goal of your inflammatory post was to sow discord and undermine American democracy.
Could you please share a price of your favorite Belgian beer in Seattle and in Powell River?
Could you please also share the name of this Belgian beer.
I wasn't planning to undermine American democracy, but my secret plan was to undermine American beer prices. If I can get enough American Supertopians to understand that they are being seriously ripped off, they will lead a massive protest movement to make good beer affordable again.
The Belgian beer I was referring to is the one front and center in Jim's photo, above. Gulden Draak, from Brouwerij van Steenberge. Long one of my favorites, but which I pretty much had to give up drinking when the price went through increase after increase, to the point that a 750 ml bottle now retails for US$16.49 in Seattle.
So imagine my joy when I found it in the local liquor store here in Powell River for CAD$3.89 for a 333 ml bottle.
Now, to get a true comparison, you have to add tax (10% in Washington, 15% in BC), convert the currencies, and adjust for bottle size. Doing all that gives a per ml price 2.38 times higher in Seattle. So, the 750 mls for which a Seattle resident pays US$18.14 (after tax) would go for just US$7.61 if he could get it at the price I pay here.
Time to man the barricades my American friends!
Edit to add: To compare selection and price of other beers, as well as wines and spirits, follow the link in Oplopanax's post, above (http://www.bcliquorstores.com/product-catalogue?category=beer);. The current conversion rate is almost exactly CAD = 0.75USD. Although, as I mentioned above, tax is 15% in BC vs 10% in WA.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Mar 12, 2019 - 10:33am PT
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Mar 12, 2019 - 06:24pm PT
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Chief you used to work in logging camps?
I worked in the oilpatch in the early 80's.
I am sure that we have experienced the finest in Canadian culture, especially in the local bars
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